The myth of Lillard Time

[BlazerCaravan]

Lillard is most effective in the 4th with 3-6 minutes left. His 3p% is 39.2%, his eFG% is 52.0, and his layup/dunk percentage is 70%.

Within that, he's even better when the margin of the game is 6-10 points (i.e., he's digging us back out of a deficit). His eFG% then jumps to 59.5%

http://www.basketball-reference.com...ada01&year_id=2016&quarter=4&time_quarter=3-6

To me, that has always been Lillard Time.

 

[kjironman1]

Right. But Dame is a chucker and will not learn anymore. Wont get any better because you know. He has a sorry ass work ethic... zero pride and his discipline is for shit. Yep. What you see now is what we will always have... because we just want to see what happened yesterday and too soon forget the past...

I just hope him and some others don't read this board because the way we turn on players and just bitch without discussing the big picture kinda makes me sick...

IF I was him and I read all this flip flopping crap, id be like... Fuck Portland... Best fans? HA!!!!

Crazy fans might be more like it.




I think there is one thing us fans seem to forget about team sports. You have your guys back... through thick and thin. You have thier back.
However, we turn your back on him/them when they don't do well/ make a mistake. You support through positive reinforcement and proper reprimanding with a silver lining....

You forgot "Drinks like a fish".

 

[illmatic99]

Lillard is most effective in the 4th with 3-6 minutes left. His 3p% is 39.2%, his eFG% is 52.0, and his layup/dunk percentage is 70%.

Within that, he's even better when the margin of the game is 6-10 points (i.e., he's digging us back out of a deficit). His eFG% then jumps to 59.5%

http://www.basketball-reference.com...ada01&year_id=2016&quarter=4&time_quarter=3-6

To me, that has always been Lillard Time.

Don't really want to quibble over the definition of Lillard Time. This is a good argument for Dame's prowess in the fourth quarter, but still doesn't excuse him from taking awful shots in the end of games.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Don't really want to quibble over the definition of Lillard Time. This is a good argument for Dame's prowess in the fourth quarter, but still doesn't excuse him from taking awful shots in the end of games.

If he made a couple more of those shots, would they still be awful? Would he then have an excuse to continue?

Curious. Have you ever played competitive ball? IF so, did you not try to have your best shooter taking the shots?

IF you did, did that player ALWAYS take good shots?

The best of shooters take bad shots... because they are shooters. It comes with the territory. You cant have a shooter who doesn't take bad shots or he isn't a shooter. IT will happen.
There is your excuse...

He is trying to win us games because he believes in himself. Guys who believe in themselves will take the shot and when they miss, they say... Ill make it next time... and they keep shooting. Do they always make it the next time? NO... but shooters will shoot. Your fooling yourself if your expecting anything different.

 

[Orion Bailey]

oh and he is 25 and the NEW leader of a team, and learning to lead.

There's another excuse..

There are plenty of valid excuses....Doesnt it mean we should be content with it? no. But to berate Dame and say he has no excuse is just BS. He has plenty of excuses....

 

[Daweez04]

Don't really want to quibble over the definition of Lillard Time. This is a good argument for Dame's prowess in the fourth quarter, but still doesn't excuse him from taking awful shots in the end of games.

Well, I mean, when you label the thread with Lillard Time in it, and then use it in an example that isn't quite what Lillard time is, and say it is a myth, people will quibble.

Lillard Time isn't a myth. He clearly has times in the 4th quarter when he can run off 15 points in a matter of minutes and either put a game away, or bring the Blazers back.

Now if you want to get into a "Clutch" discussion, we can do that.

 

[kjironman1]

oh and he is 25 and the NEW leader of a team, and learning to lead.

There's another excuse..

There are plenty of valid excuses....Doesnt it mean we should be content with it? no. But to berate Dame and say he has no excuse is just BS. He has plenty of excuses....

Plus i hear he drinks like a fish.....And we ain't talking about beer either.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Plus i hear he drinks like a fish.....And we ain't talking about beer either.

Thats hilarious. I just referenced this without knowing you did, in the game thread... haha

Dames fishy drinking is on peoples minds today!!!

 

[Strenuus]

Don't really want to quibble over the definition of Lillard Time. This is a good argument for Dame's prowess in the fourth quarter, but still doesn't excuse him from taking awful shots in the end of games.

Kobe took awful shots at the end of games too... some went in, some didn't. And he's revered... so....

Ya'll can bash me for saying that dumbasses name, but it's true. lol.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Anyone who thinks this is really a myth and Lillard time is overated, please step up.

Michael Jordan missed 26 game winning shots and it took him 7 years to win a title and he was a career 32% from three. He was a chucker and overated too right?

He had the best side kick ever...
He was overated and a chucker.



Backing up Stren... ALL the greats will have bad moments...Dame is one of the greats so far....

 

[illmatic99]

smh Soccer moms unite. No place for criticism at all on this forum I see. Newbies taking over. Can't even point out legit stats that show Dame's shot was a bad one.

This place has gotten really shitty.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

smh Soccer moms unite. No place for criticism at all on this forum I see. Newbies taking over. Can't even point out legit stats that show Dame's shot was a bad one.

This place has gotten really shitty.

Did you not think some people would disagree with you when you created this thread?

Really?

 

[illmatic99]

Did you not think some people would disagree with you when you created this thread?

Really?

Disagreement is perfectly fine. Didn't expect the backlash for saying a step back 28' jumper when you're shooting such an awful percentage was a bad one. Figured the response to that would be obvious.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Disagreement is perfectly fine. Didn't expect the backlash for saying a step back 28' jumper when you're shooting such an awful percentage was a bad one. Figured the response to that would be obvious.

But...but...but...Lillard! You know...?

 

[illmatic99]

Right. But Dame is a chucker and will not learn anymore. Wont get any better because you know. He has a sorry ass work ethic... zero pride and his discipline is for shit. Yep. What you see now is what we will always have... because we just want to see what happened yesterday and too soon forget the past...

I just hope him and some others don't read this board because the way we turn on players and just bitch without discussing the big picture kinda makes me sick...

IF I was him and I read all this flip flopping crap, id be like... Fuck Portland... Best fans? HA!!!!

Crazy fans might be more like it.

Dude. Who even said this?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Disagreement is perfectly fine. Didn't expect the backlash for saying a step back 28' jumper when you're shooting such an awful percentage was a bad one. Figured the response to that would be obvious.

Honestly, look at how teams defend Lillard at the end of close games.

Do you remember the Detroit Pistons Jordan Rules? NBA teams focus on Lillard 1st, 2nd and 3rd when it comes to making a game plan to beat the Blazers.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Dude. Who even said this?

I will for $5.

 

[illmatic99]

If he made a couple more of those shots, would they still be awful? Would he then have an excuse to continue?

Curious. Have you ever played competitive ball? IF so, did you not try to have your best shooter taking the shots?

IF you did, did that player ALWAYS take good shots?

The best of shooters take bad shots... because they are shooters. It comes with the territory. You cant have a shooter who doesn't take bad shots or he isn't a shooter. IT will happen.
There is your excuse...

He is trying to win us games because he believes in himself. Guys who believe in themselves will take the shot and when they miss, they say... Ill make it next time... and they keep shooting. Do they always make it the next time? NO... but shooters will shoot. Your fooling yourself if your expecting anything different.

WTF does my not having played in the NBA have to do with any of this?

 

[illmatic99]

I think people look into this to much. Numbers don't lie, I get that. Dame time more originated through his scoring sprees in the 4th quarter as well as buzzer beaters he has had the last two years. Obviously game six is one. I remember he had back to back away at Detroit than Cleveland. Okc he had one last year I believe. It just became something fun people said. Some of dames best quarters I have seen have come in the 3rd or 4th. Now obviously it doesn't happen every time but this might be taken a little to literal

Thank you for some sanity. smh

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Honestly, look at how teams defend Lillard at the end of close games.

Do you remember the Detroit Pistons Jordan Rules? NBA teams focus on Lillard 1st, 2nd and 3rd when it comes to making a game plan to beat the Blazers.

Doesn't that suggest that there is probably a better option available at the end of a game than a contested jumpshot, seeing as how Lillard will be the primary focus of the defense?

 

[Hobbesarable]

I will for $5.

Is that enough to cover the food cart brisket special? If so, I'm game!

 

[kjironman1]

I agreed with the original post but because i don't have enough total count messages i guess that doesn't matter. It was a bad shot. I hope he gets a better look next time.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Doesn't that suggest that there is probably a better option available at the end of a game than a contested jumpshot, seeing as how Lillard will be the primary focus of the defense?

Watch "the shot."

There is only one player calling for the ball on that play.



Some players shy away from big moments, some players embrace them. Lillard is the best player on the team. Period. CJ is developing that killing instinct but we've all seen him fumble the ball away during high pressure situations. With the way this team is currently constructed I'm not seeing any other options.

 

[Orion Bailey]

smh Soccer moms unite. No place for criticism at all on this forum I see. Newbies taking over. Can't even point out legit stats that show Dame's shot was a bad one.

This place has gotten really shitty.

You can say anything you want... Its how you say it dude... just like you have the right to think/say anything you want. But when you talk, you must allow others to refute, rebuttal, or speak in a manner the same way you are.

I criticized Dames shot like everyone else, but I didn't bash him. To point out a bad shot is one thing.. to bitch about shit is another...
If your allowed tgo bash the team, then why arent I allowed to bash you???

What has gotten really shitty is all the blatant negativity


I also find this hilarious....

Don't really want to quibble over the definition of Lillard Time. This is a good argument for Dame's prowess in the fourth quarter, but still doesn't excuse him from taking awful shots in the end of games.

you don't want to quibble over the definition when the whole conversation is about this. What IS Lillard time? Is it his clutch shooting or his 4th quarter play? Big difference with big answers. Your first post leads most to believe you are referring to clutch situations... not Lillard time, which most know to be his 4th quarter output as a whole.

How are we not supposed to discuss this while discussing your thread?
This is what is shitty...

And for the record.. most of my posts in the last couple of days have not been directed or meant for you, trhough it seems you might bee feeling them more than you should. You created the thread, but werent the only one making comments.

I think most here know most of my irritation is from Members like Tunchi and Tlong who love to bounce from thread to thread posting negative comments without any real engagement in the conversation at hand. SO Ive simply been playing the devils advocate the last couple days. Didnt mean to single you out if it felt like I was.
I will withdraw my stance, but yeah.. my posts are simply a rebuttal of others.

I actually like most of your posts most of the time.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Is that enough to cover the food cart brisket special? If so, I'm game!

Nope, a brisket sandwich is $8

 

[Tunchi]

smh Soccer moms unite. No place for criticism at all on this forum I see. Newbies taking over. Can't even point out legit stats that show Dame's shot was a bad one.

This place has gotten really shitty.

Tell me about it

 

[Hobbesarable]

Nope, a brisket sandwich is $8

I guess I better increase my rate!

 

[Tunchi]

I agreed with the original post but because i don't have enough total count messages i guess that doesn't matter. It was a bad shot. I hope he gets a better look next time.

It was a terrible shot

 

[Orion Bailey]

Dude. Who even said this?

No one. Just voicing the vibe around here by some...and going full on mags with it.

WTF does my not having played in the NBA have to do with any of this?

First.. I never said the NBA. I said competitive ball. And it has alot to do with it. You see things from a different side.. You understand the reason somethings happen the way they do when you are actually involved vs watching from the sidelines.
Ive played organized sports and understand the shot/play will go to the best player on the team and that player may not always make the right decision. Does that mean you don't want him to make the call next time? no. You still want it done by the best on the team. These are things you might understand a bit more if you had ever played organized sports...

 

[Daweez04]

The shot selection was awful, I was thinking in the entire time he was dribbling, yelling at him to drive and get fouled, or dish to CJ. Your stats even support what I wanted him to do (drive and get to the hole, where he is shooting 60% from 2-PT land in the same situations). His shot selection at times does drive me nuts.

It was your subject line that people took exception to, and the idea that "Lillard Time", pretty much a fan made up thing about him going off for spurts at a time was a myth, that I think drew most of the backlash in this thread.