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If there is NOT a next move till Summer, this site will go into a very dark place.

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Chris Craig said:
Cronin looks like an embarrassment right now. He has to make more trades to make this not look like he is an idiot. Trading CJ and Snell to say Dallas for Porzingis and Brown or to NOP for Hart and Valiunciunas or Hart, Hayes, and Statoranksy + a first...or if he can pull off Herb Jones he'd look amazing. Followed by a Bledsoe + a first to DET or IND or HOU for Grant, Sabonis, or Wood he would have a balanced roster plus a favor owed from the Clippers and be looking good going into next season.

There has to be a larger plan. Dame had to sign off on this. That makes me hopeful still. We will see by Thursday what's in store

Also if we can't trade Bledsoe I can see Portland buying him out/waiving him and looking for someone else off the buyout market.
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There is a larger plan. Drive Dame to ask for a trade. Make him the villian in the public eye.
 
Is the 'next move' hindered by the fact we now have no open roster spot? How does it work cap/roster wise to just cut players to take on additional players? For example:

Any proposed CJ to the Pelicans trade, requires more players coming back than going out. Except, by taking in 3 players for 2 in the Powell/RoCo giveaway, the Blazers now no longer have a free roster spot. So to make any move, we have to cut 1 (or possibly 2) players to be able to trade CJ unless it is a 1-1.

Need some capologist help with this. Either you move players like Zeller for nothing to a team who has cap room, or you cut a player, i.e. Zeller to make additional roster space. He still counts against the cap so the players coming in have to fit under the Lux Tax they just gave away players to get under, yes?
 
Like 6 different trade threads all just pretty much got completely shut down. Now you are all at it again. I got to admit it’s entertaining.
 
TBpup said:
Is the 'next move' hindered by the fact we now have no open roster spot? How does it work cap/roster wise to just cut players to take on additional players? For example:

Any proposed CJ to the Pelicans trade, requires more players coming back than going out. Except, by taking in 3 players for 2 in the Powell/RoCo giveaway, the Blazers now no longer have a free roster spot. So to make any move, we have to cut 1 (or possibly 2) players to be able to trade CJ unless it is a 1-1.

Need some capologist help with this. Either you move players like Zeller for nothing to a team who has cap room, or you cut a player, i.e. Zeller to make additional roster space. He still counts against the cap so the players coming in have to fit under the Lux Tax they just gave away players to get under, yes?
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In most deals, the other team will need players back as roster fillers to meet their minimims as well. For example, in the Pelicans deal. If they send out 3 players for CJ, they need 2 more guys back in the deal, or need to sign 2 guys after. Portland likely says that as a part of the deal, the Pelicans need to take back 2 roster fillers in the deal. They could send 2 minimum deals (snell, zeller) along with CJ and the deal would still work financially. It would cost them about an extra 3.2 million, and if that would be a sticking point, Portland could offer cash to offset the remaining salaries for the year
 
TBpup said:
Is the 'next move' hindered by the fact we now have no open roster spot? How does it work cap/roster wise to just cut players to take on additional players? For example:

Any proposed CJ to the Pelicans trade, requires more players coming back than going out. Except, by taking in 3 players for 2 in the Powell/RoCo giveaway, the Blazers now no longer have a free roster spot. So to make any move, we have to cut 1 (or possibly 2) players to be able to trade CJ unless it is a 1-1.

Need some capologist help with this. Either you move players like Zeller for nothing to a team who has cap room, or you cut a player, i.e. Zeller to make additional roster space. He still counts against the cap so the players coming in have to fit under the Lux Tax they just gave away players to get under, yes?
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You throw in filler like Snell or Zeller to open a spot. Or you do a multi team trade so that the team getting CJ can send out matching contracts to other teams and you take a player and a first. Or you pull a trade bringing in three for one and then do another trade immediately sending out two players.

Bledsoe is basically an open roster spot waiting to happen, though the Blazers could trade him for an equal value player.
 
The next move. Cj, our tanking pick that could get up to too five to seven, and whatever else for an all star in a bigger position. 3-4.
Pay aNd waive, bledsoe to resign Simons.

Shop nurk and nance for better cap friendly contracts that also fits Billups system better.
 
TBpup said:
Is the 'next move' hindered by the fact we now have no open roster spot? How does it work cap/roster wise to just cut players to take on additional players? For example:

Any proposed CJ to the Pelicans trade, requires more players coming back than going out. Except, by taking in 3 players for 2 in the Powell/RoCo giveaway, the Blazers now no longer have a free roster spot. So to make any move, we have to cut 1 (or possibly 2) players to be able to trade CJ unless it is a 1-1.

Need some capologist help with this. Either you move players like Zeller for nothing to a team who has cap room, or you cut a player, i.e. Zeller to make additional roster space. He still counts against the cap so the players coming in have to fit under the Lux Tax they just gave away players to get under, yes?
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One thing that might also happen besides what others have said about sending over filler players is buyouts. We might buyout Bledsoe for instance or if the Pelicans trade looks like a lot of the proposed trades I've seen (and some I've just made up) Satoransky might be an ideal player for a buyout.
 
Orion Bailey said:
The next move. Cj, our tanking pick that could get up to too five to seven, and whatever else for an all star in a bigger position. 3-4.
Pay aNd waive, bledsoe to resign Simons.

Shop nurk and nance for better cap friendly contracts that also fits Billups system better.
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Yeah, CJ is gone with the Blazers giving Simons his spot next season.

They will try to move Bledsoe before the deadline and buy him out if they can't. If they can't trade him and buy him out, it may be either to create a spot for incoming players via a CJ trade or to get someone else off the buyout market.

The Blazers will get their pick this year. How low can they go?

The Blazers have multiple opportunities to balance the roster with the above moves.

We would like to think we are going to get a starter for CJ like Grant, Sabonis, or Wood, but that probably won't happen. We will get some more defensive minded role players to appease Billups needs as coach.

The Blazers may wait to trade CJ till the draft, but they would probably get more now.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah, CJ is gone with the Blazers giving Simons his spot next season.

They will try to move Bledsoe before the deadline and buy him out if they can't. If they can't trade him and buy him out, it may be either to create a spot for incoming players via a CJ trade or to get someone else off the buyout market.

The Blazers will get their pick this year. How low can they go?

The Blazers have multiple opportunities to balance the roster with the above moves.

We would like to think we are going to get a starter for CJ like Grant, Sabonis, or Wood, but that probably won't happen. We will get some more defensive minded role players to appease Billups needs as coach.

The Blazers may wait to trade CJ till the draft, but they would probably get more now.
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i cant say i disagree with anything you just said.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah, CJ is gone with the Blazers giving Simons his spot next season.

They will try to move Bledsoe before the deadline and buy him out if they can't. If they can't trade him and buy him out.
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They inferred they won’t buy him out, and it wouldn’t make sense anyway. That’s a 19M contract (that isn’t fully guaranteed) to play with during the draft/before FA. That’s too valuable to just buy out.
 
TBpup said:
Is the 'next move' hindered by the fact we now have no open roster spot? How does it work cap/roster wise to just cut players to take on additional players? For example:

Any proposed CJ to the Pelicans trade, requires more players coming back than going out. Except, by taking in 3 players for 2 in the Powell/RoCo giveaway, the Blazers now no longer have a free roster spot. So to make any move, we have to cut 1 (or possibly 2) players to be able to trade CJ unless it is a 1-1.
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My trades of CJ to Pelicans with a third team (Indiana or Houston) are two out and two in.
 
Scalma said:
They inferred they won’t buy him out, and it wouldn’t make sense anyway. That’s a 19M contract (that isn’t fully guaranteed) to play with during the draft/before FA. That’s too valuable to just buy out.
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It's only a 3.9 million dollar contract to play with at the draft unless you fully guarantee it.
 
TBpup said:
If there is NOT a next move till Summer, this site will go into a very dark place.

iu
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I better get out those felt "darkest timeline" mustaches and goatees out for everyone.
 
illmatic99 said:
a guy who possibly made the worst trade in franchise history doesn't deserve any credibility or benefit of doubt.
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Imagine believing, without irony, that he doesn’t know more than everyone on a message board. Get real.
 
Scalma said:
Imagine believing, without irony, that he doesn’t know more than everyone on a message board. Get real.
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how is this different from our resident Stotts apologists claiming we should just blindly trust him because he's the coach and we're just fans on a message board?
 
illmatic99 said:
how is this different from our resident Stotts apologists claiming we should just blindly trust him because he's the coach and we're just fans on a message board?
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Because knowing how many roster spots there are and other cap stuff isn’t subjective?
 
illmatic99 said:
and his one trade made it seem like he thought the deadline was Feb 4 instead of Feb 10. Skepticism is warranted.
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Skepticism that he didn’t realize how many players are allowed on a squad?

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riverman said:
I like Stotts ...has nothing to do with this Blazer season or the trade Joe made.....that's just a cheap shot at people who aren't pissed at Joe Cronin right now....we are just fans on a msg board and you can point fingers at people you disagree with or make your case for the outrage...knock yourself out. Blindly rage away because you don't trust our coach, franchise leader, ownership or interim GM to make the team better for next season...go for it...you're welcome to do that. I like watching this transition myself and trust Chauncey Dame and Joe....you don't....no big deal
Being a fan of someone doesn' t mean you're an apologist....I enjoyed the Stotts era...sucks that you didn't. Choices.
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when you start justifying this dumbass norm/roco trade as rational, when 99.99999% of the public/fans/media are criticizing it, do you want me to label you as anything other than an apologist?
 
TBpup said:
Is the 'next move' hindered by the fact we now have no open roster spot? How does it work cap/roster wise to just cut players to take on additional players? For example:

Any proposed CJ to the Pelicans trade, requires more players coming back than going out. Except, by taking in 3 players for 2 in the Powell/RoCo giveaway, the Blazers now no longer have a free roster spot. So to make any move, we have to cut 1 (or possibly 2) players to be able to trade CJ unless it is a 1-1.

Need some capologist help with this. Either you move players like Zeller for nothing to a team who has cap room, or you cut a player, i.e. Zeller to make additional roster space. He still counts against the cap so the players coming in have to fit under the Lux Tax they just gave away players to get under, yes?
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that isn't an issue. Just about every trade I can imagine has the Blazers sending out more salary than they take back. Portland can simply waive Bledsoe and Snell. Or add Snell to CJ's trade

better yet is to work a buyout with Bledsoe. Maybe take a million or more off of his cap-impact

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and I just had a thought: IIRC the rules correctly, If Bledsoe is waived and a team signs him afterward, what he is signed for (or at the minimum 50% of what he is signed for) is deducted from Portland's cap and salary pay-out from Portland

which would make me think if Bledsoe is signed next season, whatever he is signed for reduces that 3.9M guarantee

can someone verify that or is it an artifact of the previous CBA?
 
illmatic99 said:
99.99999% of the public/fans/media are criticizing it
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Interestingly, the majority of the ones not criticizing it are the ones that have the most experience in the actual industry. But YouTube user JakeBalls69 didn’t like it so that’s that.
 
Scalma said:
Interestingly, the majority of the ones not criticizing it are the ones that have the most experience in the actual industry. But YouTube user JakeBalls69 didn’t like it so that’s that.
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what is your problem? no one ever attacks you personally, but you always stoop to that level and talk down to them as if you're such a genius whenever anyone disagrees with you. i don't know why more people don't call you out on your bullshit.

there's a certain level of decorum we follow on this forum, feel free to adopt it, even when you don't agree with what people say.
 
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