The 'Next' Move

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riverman said:
I'm special....get in on the minority report while it's hot! Yeah....I want you to label me as a Terry Stotts fan...not an apologist...I've never had to apologize for Terry Stotts....he's a class act and a pro who played the cards he was dealt. I think he did a remarkable job given the roster shuffling of 170 players he coached. I like Chauncey but Chauncey isn't on Terry's level yet....he'll get there I'm sure. Same with Joe Cronin....I'm a fan...like the guy and cheer for him...try to see what he's trying to do here and after consideration, came to understand his first move.....that's not apologizing....it's perspective
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we have no choice but to see what Cronin can do, but that was a terrible first shot no matter how you try to rationalize it.
 
Scalma said:
Interestingly, the majority of the ones not criticizing it are the ones that have the most experience in the actual industry. But YouTube user JakeBalls69 didn’t like it so that’s that.
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Whom?

What would you grade this trade?
 
illmatic99 said:
what is your problem? no one ever attacks you personally, but you always stoop to that level and talk down to them as if you're such a genius whenever anyone disagrees with you. i don't know why more people don't call you out on your bullshit.

there's a certain level of decorum we follow on this forum, feel free to adopt it, even when you don't agree with what people say.
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Yeah, nothing I said warranted this response. Sorry you didn’t like the trade. You’ll get over it.
 
Scalma said:
Interestingly, the majority of the ones not criticizing it are the ones that have the most experience in the actual industry. But YouTube user JakeBalls69 didn’t like it so that’s that.
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Obviously sometimes the truth is hard to hear for some.
 
MickZagger said:
Whom?

What would you grade this trade?
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marks and hollinger.

I wouldn’t grade it because I don’t believe it should be looked at as one singular trade. It’s the first step and it was almost entirely cap related. They found someone to take the majority of Powell’s contract. We’ll see what the next step is, and then we can maybe grade the larger plan.
 
MickZagger said:
Whom?

What would you grade this trade?
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It was a personal attack at me because I listen to the weekly call that Jake Fischer of BR hosts and report what he says. He thinks I think Fischer's word is gospel even when all i do is simply post what that dude says. Don't pay him much heed. He becomes a 5 yr old when people disagree with him.

As for grades.

USA Today gave us a D-.

Sporting News gave us a D.

SI gave us a C

CBS gave us a B-

Quick didn't grade it but essentially called us incompetent.
 
Scalma said:
marks and hollinger.

I wouldn’t grade it because I don’t believe it should be looked at as one singular trade. It’s the first step and it was almost entirely cap related. They found someone to take the majority of Powell’s contract. We’ll see what the next step is, and then we can maybe grade the larger plan.
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Powell has a reasonable deal. He should be seeing who will take CJ’s.
 
illmatic99 said:
It was a personal attack at me because I listen to the weekly call that Jake Fischer of BR hosts and report what he says. He thinks I think Fischer's word is gospel even when all i do is simply post what that dude says. Don't pay him much heed. He becomes a 5 yr old when people disagree with him.

As for grades.

USA Today gave us a D-.

Sporting News gave us a D.

SI gave us a C

CBS gave us a B-

Quick didn't grade it but essentially called us incompetent.
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Oh well if Quick said it
 
illmatic99 said:
It was a personal attack at me because I listen to the weekly call that Jake Fischer of BR hosts and report what he says. He thinks I think Fischer's word is gospel even when all i do is simply post what that dude says. Don't pay him much heed. He becomes a 5 yr old when people disagree with him.

As for grades.

USA Today gave us a D-.

Sporting News gave us a D.

SI gave us a C

CBS gave us a B-

Quick didn't grade it but essentially called us incompetent.
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Clippers got an A+ from everybody.
 
illmatic99 said:
and hollinger and marks both infamously lost front office jobs after making shit decisions. what's your point
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Which front office did Quick or any of the bloggers you referenced work in?
 
The one positive I can gain from this deal is that it ensures us more losses.

I don’t even care that we can re-sign Simons. Because we could have got back more tradeable assets had we made a better move.

I also don’t think a back court of Lillard and Simons is compatible. I think you need to choose one or the other. It could be another Lillard/CJ defensively incompetent duo.

Neither thrive off the ball.
 
Scalma said:
Which front office did Quick or any of the bloggers you referenced work in?
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do you really need the last word that badly that you want to continue arguing like a 5 yr old? have at it. what, no more condescending personal attacks?
 
illmatic99 said:
do you really need the last word that badly that you want to continue arguing like a 5 yr old? have at it. what, no more condescending personal attacks?
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Have the last word, you asked me a question.
 
Might as well sell the team Jody and save your Paul Allen money.
 
It’s like people actually think their fantasy trade machine trades could have been done instead of this trade?
Does anyone honestly believe Cronin made a conscious decision to not make a better trade?
Because Jody wanted him to help the Clippers.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
It’s like people actually think their fantasy trade machine trades could have been done instead of this trade?
Does anyone honestly believe Cronin made a conscious decision to not make a better trade?
Because Jody wanted him to help the Clippers.
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Yes.
 
e_blazer said:
No, but Morey has said he’d be happy to trade him for Dame.
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you mean he'd be happy to trade the guy that is sitting out the season for a superstar?

yeah...go find a precedent for that
 
illmatic99 said:
what is your problem? no one ever attacks you personally, but you always stoop to that level and talk down to them as if you're such a genius whenever anyone disagrees with you. i don't know why more people don't call you out on your bullshit.

there's a certain level of decorum we follow on this forum, feel free to adopt it, even when you don't agree with what people say.
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He is a bully. His act is tiring. Dude wanted to shove Highkin into a locker when the Chauncey stuff was happening then was posting his tweets to try to justify things the other day. Absolute homer and hypocrite.
 
wizenheimer said:
you mean he'd be happy to trade the guy that is sitting out the season for a superstar?

yeah...go find a precedent for that
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For a superstar who is sitting out the year while he recovers from surgery. Yeah, pretty small sample group.
 
By the way, whatever the "next" deal may be, it just became harder to get value for whatever we trade. Whether we like it or not, the RoCo/Powell deal set expectations around the league. Any GM that doesn't similarly fleece us will look poor in comparison to the Clippers GM.
 
riverman said:
I think the next deal has been in place before the last trade happened and disagree that GMs are worried about looking poor from trading with us...that's a stretch to me...big stretch but not looking to argue about it ..first call Joe made was Indiana and he worked with their GM in Portland....GMs network and I've no reason to think Joe's not respected by them
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I disagree with your analysis. Those trades happen simultaneously. There isn't a lag this long. They happen immediately after a player is attached to a roster, and for PR purposes, those "next" deals are always leaked.

As for Cronin being respected around the league, I have no idea. All I know is we received suboptimal value for two reasonably priced assets. That's just my opinion, but the opinion of most people who cover the NBA. I'm certain his story to other franchises will not be that he received comparable value, but the message for ownership was to get under the cap. A more clever GM could have done so in a manner that garnered more assets. His move was ill-timed and ham-handed.

What is irksome about the deal to me is that it reeks of desperation to clear cap space. There's a lot of time left until the trade deadline. If you're offered an excrement sandwich for dinner, you don't accept it at breakfast. You wait until closer to dinner to see if anything else will be offered you would rather eat.
 
riverman said:
I can see Joe trading for another guy who's sitting out the season ....Miles Turner.....that will make sure we still lose games and set us up next season with an upgrade in the frontcourt
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I would have no problem with that. At this point, it is not about this year. When you consider that 6 guys of our top 9 players have missed a major amount of games, this season has been in tank mode for a while. Might as well complete it.
 
maxiep said:
By the way, whatever the "next" deal may be, it just became harder to get value for whatever we trade. Whether we like it or not, the RoCo/Powell deal set expectations around the league. Any GM that doesn't similarly fleece us will look poor in comparison to the Clippers GM.
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Negotiation 101
 
The only high marks going to Portland for this trade I have seen are on this board. So what is it an A? Please give it your grade, if you'd like to. I give it a D. Clippers gave Portland the worse of their two prospects, a perpetually injured player, and a guy who will never wear a Blazers uniform. Oh and that sweet juicy SRP.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Does anyone honestly believe Cronin made a conscious decision to not make a better trade?
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I don't think anyone believes Cronin turned down superior deals.

I think people believe that from a talent standpoint, making no deal would have been superior to this deal, and that there were ways to accomplish the same tax savings without devaluing existing assets.

I think people also believe that given nearly a week remaining before the trade deadline, there was still plenty of time to explore superior deals before settling for one with such an obvious talent deficit.

And I think people also believe (and this is purely speculation), that if this was in fact the best deal Cronin was able to come up with in trading Powell, he either doesn't have enough cachet around the league to obtain a decent offer from other GMs, or doesn't have the necessary negotiation skills to maximize value when exploring trades.
 
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