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Randolph was averaging two 3PA per game with the Knicks and Clippers

Same player, right?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Yeah, whatever. You just exposed your lack of authority on this matter here. It's not even worth continuing anymore.
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None of us have any "authority" on the issues, this is forum were we discuss our opinions on the matter. Mine and yours differ, just like a lot of posters, and because ours differ you want to stop having the conversation. Great I can deal with that but don't try and call me out with some BS authority post trying to act like your opinion is better or more informed then mine is.
 
RoyToy said:
I'm sorry that I used a statistic to back up my claim that Randolph was a different player before Memphis.
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So basically statistically he's pretty much the same player....with the exception of he took 1.5 more 3-point attempts per game for one season in which he started the year playing for Mike D'antoni in NY...then being traded mid-season the the clippers?

you got me.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
So basically statistically he's pretty much the same player....with the exception of he took 1.5 more 3-point attempts per game for one season in which he started the year playing for Mike D'antoni in NY...then being traded mid-season the the clippers?

you got me.
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He averaged two 3PA per game for the Clippers as well.
 
RoyToy said:
I meant Andre Miller.
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Andre Miller got us Felton who got us Jared Jeffries. And somewhere in there, we agreed not to draft Faried. So our capspace got us Jared Jeffries. That's it.

magnifier661 said:
The trade came after we selected oden yes; but if we decided to keep Zach; we would have picked Durant and kept Zach. Get it?
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We were picking Oden no matter what. It wasn't hinging on whether or not we wanted to keep Zach. We should've kept Zach to play WITH Oden, not instead of.

RoyToy said:
Randolph didn't get out of the playoffs until he grew up and played team basketball.
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With Zach starting, the Blazers are 3-1 in the playoffs. He ALWAYS played well. Look at the box scores in the 2003 series Games 4-6. Watch the tapes if you still have them. He was fantastic then. He's fantastic now. And it's a testament to his commitment to his game that we can say that 10 years later.

Rhal said:
Agreed. He isn't the same player he was on his last three teams, he seems to care about winning instead of stats now.
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He always cared about winning. He is why we almost won in 2003. It's the last time we've seriously competed in a playoff series. You can't hold it against him though that he couldn't win with Telfair and Ha. Not even Tim Duncan could.
 
KingSpeed said:
Andre Miller got us Felton who got us Jared Jeffries. And somewhere in there, we agreed not to draft Faried. So our capspace got us Jared Jeffries. That's it.
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By this logic that would mean this could drag out forever. Sorry, doesn't work like that.

Steve Francis' contract ended and the Blazers had cap space to get Andre Miller. The Blazers didn't need extra cap space to sign a player like Jeffries.

With Zach starting, the Blazers are 3-1 in the playoffs. He ALWAYS played well. Look at the box scores in the 2003 series Games 4-6. Watch the tapes if you still have them. He was fantastic then. He's fantastic now. And it's a testament to his commitment to his game that we can say that 10 years later.
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And then Steve Patterson and John Nash signed him to a horrific contract that he couldn't possibly live up to (and didn't). He was traded twice more after leaving the Blazers until he landed in Memphis and grew up, and good for him. I actually like ZBo.
 
RoyToy said:
He averaged two 3PA per game for the Clippers as well.
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But he didn't for US which is what this about. He played GREAT for us. Look at the box scores for Games 4-7 where he started for the Blazers in the playoffs. Zach helped us make NBA History (one of only three teams to force game 7 after trailing 0-3 with Zach on the bench) TEN YEARS AGO. He has ALWAYS been good.
 
RoyToy said:
By this logic that would mean this could drag out forever. Sorry, doesn't work like that.

Steve Francis' contract ended and the Blazers had cap space to get Andre Miller. The Blazers didn't need extra cap space to sign a player like Jeffries.



And then Steve Patterson and John Nash signed him to a horrific contract that he couldn't possibly live up to (and didn't). He was traded twice more after leaving the Blazers until he landed in Memphis and grew up, and good for him. I actually like ZBo.
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We traded Miller for Felton! We traded Felton for Jeffries! We'll get nothing for Jeffries. It ends there. We're not getting anything for Jeffries.
 
KingSpeed said:
We traded Miller for Felton! We traded Felton for Jeffries! We'll get nothing for Jeffries. It ends there. We're not getting anything for Jeffries.
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We used the capspace we got from Jeffries to help us facilitate a S&T for Dwight, or Asik, or Hibbert, or... okay i'll wake up now.
 
KingSpeed said:
We traded Miller for Felton! We traded Felton for Jeffries! We'll get nothing for Jeffries. It ends there. We're not getting anything for Jeffries.
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Nope

The Blazers will shed Jeffries' $1.4M salary and use it this off-season on a player, who will be traded for cap space, used on a player, traded for another player, and it goes on forever
 
2003 NBA Playoffs

Blazers trail Mavs 0-3

Cheeks inserts Zach Randolph into the starting lineup

Blazers win Game 4. Randolph has 25 points and 14 rebounds
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304270POR.html

Blazers win Game 5. Randolph has 22 points and 9 rebounds
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304300DAL.html

Blazers win Game 6. Randolph has 21 points and 10 rebounds
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305020POR.html

Blazers sadly lose Game 7. Randolph has 14 points, 12 rebounds, and 4 assists (maybe he passed too much)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305040DAL.html

It sucks we lost the series, but we were 3-1 with him as a starter. He was a great player then, he's a great player now.
 
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KingSpeed said:
2003 NBA Playoffs

Blazers trail Mavs 0-3

Cheeks inserts Zach Randolph into the starting lineup

Blazers win Game 4. Randolph has 25 points and 14 rebounds
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304270POR.html

Blazers win Game 5. Randolph has 22 points and 9 rebounds
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304300DAL.html

Blazers win Game 6. Randolph has 21 points and 10 rebounds
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305020POR.html

Blazers sadly lose Game 7. Randolph has 14 points, 12 rebounds, and 4 assists (maybe he passed too much)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305040DAL.html

It sucks we lost the series, but we were 3-1 with him as a starter. He was a great player then, he's a great player now.
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He wasn't an all-star until 2010.
 
RoyToy said:
He wasn't an all-star until 2010.
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But he played like one in the 2003 NBA Playoffs. You don't magically become a better player when they finally recognize you as an All Star. Randolph was always good.
 
We shouldn't have traded Zach. We should've been looking for the Gasols and Conleys to put around him.
 
A dick post by you, by the way. I present those box scores to you, and instead of acknowledging that he played well, you say he wasn't an All Star. What does that have to do with how well he played? Stephen Curry isn't an All Star either and he's the best player in the playoffs right now.
 
KingSpeed said:
But he played like one in the 2003 NBA Playoffs. You don't magically become a better player when they finally recognize you as an All Star. Randolph was always good.
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No one has ever really debated that Randolph is a good player. But there was a time he was grossly overpaid and not worth his contract. That's just a fact.

He was then traded from multiple teams before landing in Memphis where he has played the best basketball of his career, earning all-star and all-team selections.
 
RoyToy said:
No one has ever really debated that Randolph is a good player. But there was a time he was grossly overpaid and not worth his contract. That's just a fact.

He was then traded from multiple teams before landing in Memphis where he has played the best basketball of his career, earning all-star and all-team selections.
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He played great playoff winning basketball in Portland ten years ago. He was good then.
 
KingSpeed said:
A dick post by you, by the way. I present those box scores to you, and instead of acknowledging that he played well, you say he wasn't an All Star. What does that have to do with how well he played? Stephen Curry isn't an All Star either and he's the best player in the playoffs right now.
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Curry's been lighting it up but I think Lebrons been the best player in the playoffs so far. Although Lebron did play the cupcake Milwaukee and Curry had to deal with a deep Denver team without Lee.
 
Rhal said:
Curry's been lighting it up but I think Lebrons been the best player in the playoffs so far. Although Lebron did play the cupcake Milwaukee and Curry had to deal with a deep Denver team without Lee.
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Curry is #1 in assists and #5 in scoring (LeBron is #4)
 
KingSpeed said:
He played just as well for us when he had good teammates. Compare that Dallas series to his series against the Clippers this season.
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He didn't play as well for the Blazers as he's played for the Grizzlies. Count the all-star and all-team selections in Memphis again.
 
KingSpeed said:
Curry is #1 in assists and #5 in scoring (LeBron is #4)
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Curry is avg about 3m assists per game then Lebron and Lebron is avg 3 more rebounds but whats been so impressive about Lebron is he shot 62.7% from the field compared to Curry 46.8%. I havent looked at Efg% but I know Curry's % would get bumped up because of how many 3's he shot.
 
RoyToy said:
He didn't play as well for the Blazers as he's played for the Grizzlies. Count the all-star and all-team selections in Memphis again.
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All Star and all-team selections don't mean anything. He dominated that series. Curry isn't an All Star but as I said, best player in playoffs.
 
KingSpeed said:
All Star and all-team selections don't mean anything. He dominated that series. Curry isn't an All Star but as I said, best player in playoffs.
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You only saying that because it kills your argument.
 
RoyToy said:
You only saying that because it kills your argument.
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No. My argument is that he played well back then and we won key playoff games. It doesn't matter if he made the All Star team. Since it hinges on team success, if we had put good players around him in Portland, he would've become an All Star player here too. My point is that he played well in the playoffs ten years ago. He didn't suddenly get good in Memphis.
 
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Zach was always this good. He was just too black for doughty, quaint little old Portland.
 
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