Exclusive The OFFICIAL 2019 NBA Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[wizenheimer]

I’ve been in business significantly less time then you...

And I know people’s words don’t mean jackshit. Put the pen to paper.

This is pretty mind boggling for me since we’re both connected to Real Estate development.

I am part of / work with the largest Real Estate developers on the West Coast.

If you wanted a verbal or handshake agreement with us — you’d get laughed off.

Then again, your deal size could be somewhat smaller than ours.

— and then the bold —

Sounds like you learned your lesson but didn’t implement the necessary changes.

So it does seem like an idealistic perspective.

FWIW

I’d have no issue with him reneging on his “handshake” agreement due to new, unforeseen circumstances.

Maybe it’s because is in the real estate development business — nothing is certain until the ink is dry.

(And even then you have people try and weasel their way out through certain “provisions”.)

it's not the same thing, and apparently, you don't realize how many transactions are handled by verbal agreements. I'm a sole-proprietor. No employees. I don't spend 40 hours a week driving around and doing paperwork so I can spend anoth 40 hours doing real work. There are plenty of times I will work for people at an hourly rate who I've worked for before and it's just a matter of doing the work and submitting a bill. Yeah, it's an honor system but it works because most people have honor.

I've had several general contractors over the years that will call me up and tell me they have a job and when can I do it. I don't go to the job prior to performing the work, draw up a bid, go to their office, submit the bid, leave, get a call, that the bid is acceptable, go back to the office with a contract, and sit around with the GC and his lawyer and my lawyer for a couple of hours working out details, and then sign the damn contract. I show up, do the job, and get paid. I did the finish carpentry for one builder on over 340 houses over 15 years and only one time, the first time, did we have a contract. Like I said, that requires a relationship that both sides can trust, but those type of relationships are a bedrock of residential construction. If you don't know that then you don't know the business. And I don't need a lecture about my 'poor' business practices

you have a pipe in your house burst during a freeze. You don't have a bunch of plumbers come out, submit bids, sort thru the bids, choose one, then sign the bid, mail it in, wait 4 days for the bid to become a contract, and then wait 2 weeks for the plumber to show, all while your busted pipe is flooding your floors. You just get a plumber in your house, PDQ, and fix the leak...then get billed pay it. And the plumbing company is working without any notarized contract, and a majority of their jobs are just like that

I'm not going to spend any more time justifying my view of Morris breaking his word to the Spurs if that's what he does. I've already done that. And one reason I'm not going to do it anymore is that I think people here justifying what Morris might be doing are full of shit. I'm saying that because if what might be happening to the Spurs was to happen to the Blazers their tunes would be different. If Portland would have traded away CJ to make room for Kawhi...AFTER Kawhi had promised to sign with the Blazers once they made room....then reneged and signed with the Lakers, there wouldn't be anybody here saying "good for Kawhi, he was looking out for himself because the Blazers weren't going to"...no, everybody would be going batshit hating on Kawhi

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think that of all hypothesized Westbrook deals, the Pistons make the most sense as a potential suitor. That is, if they actually want him...

 

[Scalma]

I think that of all hypothesized Westbrook deals, the Pistons make the most sense as a potential suitor. That is, if they actually want him...

I can’t see Russ OKing a trade to Detroit. I know he doesn’t have a no trade clause, but no way Presti sends him somewhere he doesn’t want to go.

 

[dviss1]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27160970/stoudemire-lot-offer-nba-teams


“Amar'e Stoudemire told MSG Network on Tuesday that he can bring needed leadership to young NBA teams and still "has a lot of game left" as he attempts to return to the league.

Stoudemire, 36, appearing on MSG Network's "MSG 150," was asked what kind of pitch he is making to NBA teams.

"A lot of the teams have a lot of young players and a lot of players that can learn how to train, how to become professionals and how to become great basketball players. And leadership goes a long way with teams in order to get from a playoff team to a contending championship team," he said. "From that standpoint, I have a lot to offer. And also as a basketball player, I still have a lot of game left. I can help a team in any way they need."


AKA - Somebody pay me

But for shits and giggles - would you want to pay Amare a veterans minimum; if only to help Collins come along in some way?

Fuck him! Amare was dead to me after this bullshit:

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I can’t see Russ OKing a trade to Detroit. I know he doesn’t have a no trade clause, but no way Presti sends him somewhere he doesn’t want to go.

I dunno, 2 more unprotected firsts and a couple expirings, he might not care whether Russ wants to go or not.

Along with that, I'd love to see Westbrook and Griffin together.

 

[LayneStaley]

Amare sucks.

 

[Chris Craig]

Fuck him! Amare was dead to me after this bullshit:

I remember this too. First thing I thought about when the thread entertaining him coming here. He is a dirty player. I was at that game. He did more than that. He was using those elbows alot and getting away with it.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I think that of all hypothesized Westbrook deals, the Pistons make the most sense as a potential suitor. That is, if they actually want him...

I will be really surprised if Heat get as much in real life as any of these hypothetical deals.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Just saw that this was RoLo's tweet when it was announced that he would be joining his brother on the Bucks:

 

[GhostOfPGA]

I think that of all hypothesized Westbrook deals, the Pistons make the most sense as a potential suitor. That is, if they actually want him...

Idk why Chicago is never brought up...

Porter, LaVine, and a pick for Westbrook and Roberson is a good deal.

 

[Sarni]

Idk why Chicago is never brought up...

Porter, LaVine, and a pick for Westbrook and Roberson is a good deal.

It’s a dreadful deal. Porter and LaVine are already too much and you are throwing an almost certain top 10 pick?

That team with Westbrook wouldn’t get past 35 wins.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Idk why Chicago is never brought up...

Porter, LaVine, and a pick for Westbrook and Roberson is a good deal.

Does it really make sense for Chicago though? They're trying to build with Markkanen, Carter and White. Where's the value to them in dealing for Westbrook?

 

[GhostOfPGA]

It’s a dreadful deal. Porter and LaVine are already too much and you are throwing an almost certain top 10 pick?

That team with Westbrook wouldn’t get past 35 wins.

Westbrook / Dunn
Satoransky / White
Roberson
Lauri / Thad
Carter Jr / Gafford

That makes the playoffs in the east

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Does it really make sense for Chicago though? They're trying to build with Markkanen, Carter and White. Where's the value to them in dealing for Westbrook?

They’d still have all 3? Westbrook takes them to the next level. They mesh skill set wise.

 

[ABM]

https://ripcityproject.com/2019/07/10/portland-trail-blazers-3-trades-thunders-fire-sale/

Portland Trail Blazers: 3 trades to capitalize on the Thunder’s fire sale

 

[Sarni]

Westbrook / Dunn
Satoransky / White
Roberson
Lauri / Thad
Carter Jr / Gafford

That makes the playoffs in the east

Not a chance. That’s an awful team. Current OKC team looks stronger.

Actually East is pretty weak. But still Bucks, Pacers, Celtics, Sixers, Nets and Raptors even without Kawhi are better than that team.

 

[wizenheimer]

https://ripcityproject.com/2019/07/10/portland-trail-blazers-3-trades-thunders-fire-sale/

Portland Trail Blazers: 3 trades to capitalize on the Thunder’s fire sale

lol...so that was written earlier today...about 48 hours after Spellman has already been traded.

I guess there's no requirement that guys blogging about the NBA actually keep up with what's happening in the NBA

 

[ABM]

lol...so that was written earlier today...about 48 hours after Spellman has already been traded.

I guess there's no requirement that guys blogging about the NBA actually keep up with what's happening in the NBA

LOL. Ooops.

 

[riverman]

lol...so that was written earlier today...about 48 hours after Spellman has already been traded.

I guess there's no requirement that guys blogging about the NBA actually keep up with what's happening in the NBA

well.....some rural folks still only have dial up modems

 

[hoopsjock]

lol...so that was written earlier today...about 48 hours after Spellman has already been traded.

I guess there's no requirement that guys blogging about the NBA actually keep up with what's happening in the NBA

I also don't see the value of trading Skal for Spellman either even if he hadn't been traded.

 

[ABM]

https://unafraidshow.com/portland-trail-blazers-have-quietly-loaded-up-for-the-western-conference/

Portland Trail Blazers have quietly loaded up for the Western Conference

Most of the attention in the western conference during this absolutely insane NBA offseason has gone to the California teams – the Lakers adding Anthony Davis and striking out elsewhere, the Warriors losing Kevin Durant, Andre Iguodala and DeMarcus Cousins and of course the Clippers forming a superteam of their own with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. However, rather quietly, the Portland Trail Blazers – who I remind you are fresh off an appearance in the Western Conference Finals – have retooled their team and are ready to make another deep run in the playoffs.

Last year’s run was aided by two extremely beneficial mid-season acquisitions, center Enes Kanter and wing Rodney Hood. Both were role players who ended up playing significant minutes during the playoffs; Kanter thanks to a late-season injury to starter Jusuf Nurkic and Hood simply because he showed up and filled the role of athletic scorer off the bench – something Portland was desperately missing for most of the season.

However, Portland didn’t want to wait until midseason to re-shape their roster again. After proclaiming that there would not be any fireworks at the start of free agency, Blazers general manager Neil Olshey oversaw seven players depart via free agency or trade, and brought in five new players. So much for no fireworks.

Analyzing Portland’s Moves......

 

[JoshuaHall]

Yeah. But it’s not just you. Olshey has mentioned February but I think that’s just a conservative timeline so no one asks questions if there IS some sort of setback and/or he doesn’t return by their actual target date. I wouldn’t be surprised if he returned before the new year. It took George 8 months with an identical injury. That would put Nurk at the end of November. Yes I know Nurkic is heavier, but I doubt that’s going to add three extra months to his recovery. The fact that there was no ligament damage *should* make the recovery relatively clean.

Thank you for the clarification.

I do agree with you — and for me — it’s not just about Nurk.

With PG and G Hayward I would’ve made them sit out longer than they did. I tend to be extra cautious.

If we didn’t have Whiteside I’d be more inclined to throw his ass out there earlier.

As mentioned, I agree with everything you said, and you’re right. Just personally I’d like to see him sit out as long as *reasonably* possible, although I highly doubt that would ever happen.

I have a personal belief that players and teams typically rush back to the court as soon as possible and I prefer they’d be a little more cautious — but this are multi million dollar investments so I can’t entirely blame them.

 

[JoshuaHall]

it's not the same thing, and apparently, you don't realize how many transactions are handled by verbal agreements. I'm a sole-proprietor. No employees. I don't spend 40 hours a week driving around and doing paperwork so I can spend anoth 40 hours doing real work. There are plenty of times I will work for people at an hourly rate who I've worked for before and it's just a matter of doing the work and submitting a bill. Yeah, it's an honor system but it works because most people have honor.

I've had several general contractors over the years that will call me up and tell me they have a job and when can I do it. I don't go to the job prior to performing the work, draw up a bid, go to their office, submit the bid, leave, get a call, that the bid is acceptable, go back to the office with a contract, and sit around with the GC and his lawyer and my lawyer for a couple of hours working out details, and then sign the damn contract. I show up, do the job, and get paid. I did the finish carpentry for one builder on over 340 houses over 15 years and only one time, the first time, did we have a contract. Like I said, that requires a relationship that both sides can trust, but those type of relationships are a bedrock of residential construction. If you don't know that then you don't know the business. And I don't need a lecture about my 'poor' business practices

you have a pipe in your house burst during a freeze. You don't have a bunch of plumbers come out, submit bids, sort thru the bids, choose one, then sign the bid, mail it in, wait 4 days for the bid to become a contract, and then wait 2 weeks for the plumber to show, all while your busted pipe is flooding your floors. You just get a plumber in your house, PDQ, and fix the leak...then get billed pay it. And the plumbing company is working without any notarized contract, and a majority of their jobs are just like that

I'm not going to spend any more time justifying my view of Morris breaking his word to the Spurs if that's what he does. I've already done that. And one reason I'm not going to do it anymore is that I think people here justifying what Morris might be doing are full of shit. I'm saying that because if what might be happening to the Spurs was to happen to the Blazers their tunes would be different. If Portland would have traded away CJ to make room for Kawhi...AFTER Kawhi had promised to sign with the Blazers once they made room....then reneged and signed with the Lakers, there wouldn't be anybody here saying "good for Kawhi, he was looking out for himself because the Blazers weren't going to"...no, everybody would be going batshit hating on Kawhi

I’m sure there are tons of transactions that are handled by verbal agreements, however the multiple billions of dollars of Real Estate we own and have developed all along the West Coast, South America, throughout Asia and the new Silk Road — all have written contracts in place — as well as the hotels we have developed in Belize and elsewhere.

Our lawyers would chew into our ass if we hired someone and they didn’t have a detailed scope of work, particularly in the event of a) injury b) the work not being done to our satisfaction or c) a dispute between the agreed upon scope of work.

I never lectured you about your business practices. I said you’ve been burned multiple times, haven’t adjusted, and then you say you don’t do it not out of idealistic purposes but something else — which is exactly why you do it if you’re complaining about being burned. Also, it’s laughable that you’d question my knowledge of the industry, I’m certainly not the smartest, but I’ll leave it at that. You can get into whatever pissing match you want, I don’t need to get into it with you.

You’re also comparing a burst pipe — with multi million dollar contracts (in the NBA). Yeah, if a pipe burst, sure — probably not entirely necessary to have a contract in place.

If your whole house got decimated, I think you’d probably have a different tune — which is more in line with the value of a multi million dollar contract than burst pipe.

As for your final statement — I wouldn’t trade CJ away prior to having Kawhi in the room with us ready to sign on the dotted line. And you’re also comparing a semi-scrub the spurs traded away to CJ now, which is another false equivalence. If we traded CJ prior to July 6th, then played some stupid waiting game, guess what? I’d be pissed at Olshey for doing the dumbest thing on the planet — taking someone at their word — with them not ready to “show me the money.”

A great example of this would be what the Blazers did with Kanter — time to piss or get off the pot.

So maybe other people might have a hissy fit, but not me... my ire would be directed at the Blazers for “taking someone’s word” over their actions.

(Id also be fine if the Blazers agreed to a trade prior to July 6th that was due to be consummated on the 6th or shortly thereafter, and pulled out at the last minute based on the new information of Kawhi pulling out. Or any other team.)

Also — not trying to change your perspective — an old dog doesn’t learn new tricks.

 

[AFully22]

Just wanted to drop by and say, Rodney Hood is going to be really good next year. Think he could average 16/4/3 type numbers. His confidence combined with getting more open looks than ever should bode well for us.

I remember his second year he was seen as one of the best up and comers in the league. Would be surprised if he actually got worse. Seems like an obvious case of wrong situations. Hope he starts at the 3 opening night.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Just wanted to drop by and say, Rodney Hood is going to be really good next year. Think he could average 16/4/3 type numbers. His confidence combined with getting more open looks than ever should bode well for us.

I remember his second year he was seen as one of the best up and comers in the league. Would be surprised if he actually got worse. Seems like an obvious case of wrong situations. Hope he starts at the 3 opening night.

with Nurk out, Hood is gonna be our best post offense option. He’s gonna get a lot of looks.

 

[Propagandist]

I've taken a vow of positivity, but goddamn I'm thankful ET is gone. Just wanted to say that.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

I've taken a vow of positivity, but goddamn I'm thankful ET is gone. Just wanted to say that.

ET is gone... COCK RINGS ON THE HOUSE

 

[GDiama]

Thank you for the clarification.

I do agree with you — and for me — it’s not just about Nurk.

With PG and G Hayward I would’ve made them sit out longer than they did. I tend to be extra cautious.

If we didn’t have Whiteside I’d be more inclined to throw his ass out there earlier.

As mentioned, I agree with everything you said, and you’re right. Just personally I’d like to see him sit out as long as *reasonably* possible, although I highly doubt that would ever happen.

I have a personal belief that players and teams typically rush back to the court as soon as possible and I prefer they’d be a little more cautious — but this are multi million dollar investments so I can’t entirely blame them.

Believe me compared to Europe you are not rushing them back at all. In Europe Nurk would be available for training camp lol

 

[THE HCP]

Just saw Kelly Oubre here in Vegas with a few players from the Suns...... right here in our hotel. Interesting.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Just saw Kelly Oubre here in Vegas with a few players from the Suns...... right here in our hotel. Interesting.

I fail to see what's interesting about it

Maybe if you could provide a blurry pic ?