The Official Around the NBA: March 2019 edition

[hoopsjock]

Is it? Did this loss tonight raise the chances of us matching up with them in the first round. Because if so, I wish they had won.

The Thunder are currently the 8th seed. If they keep losing they will stay in the 8th seed. So it's actually the exact opposite of what you just said.

 

[THE HCP]

The Thunder are currently the 8th seed. If they keep losing they will stay in the 8th seed. So it's actually the exact opposite of what you just said.

Good. I will be honest. I don’t look st the standings. Never do. I know I haven’t tjis season so far. The season becomes such a blur for me. That’s why I love when people on here break down who we are rooting for each night.

 

[BonesJones]

that seems overly optimistic to me

tomorrow night may not be easy, although you never know what kind of an effort you'll get from a team going nowhere. Minny can be a handful at their place and they just beat the Warriors there

Memphis should be an easier game and they have an injury list as longs as Chicago's

I sure wouldn't count on a spit with Denver either. It's possible but a long ways from probable

and Portland has a B2B to close the season, at LAL which just crushed the Pels on the road (their season final so they might give a good effort), and the final against the Kings who just beat the Spurs in San Antonio. And the Blazers are 11-13 in B2B if I'm doing my math right

You said this type of stuff about our schedule at the ASB. We killed it.

Minnesota is without Teague, Covington, Rose, and possibly Gibson. So they have Towns, Wiggins, and a bunch of fringe NBA players.

LA doesn't have LeBron, Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma. I doubt Rondo, Caruso, and McGee combine for 70 points against us.

Kings will be the toughest outside of the Denver games, but we should have C.J. back by then. They beat the Spurs, but the Spurs have been player very poorly lately. That games at home, and Blazers tend to play well in their season finales if they try to win.

I expect us to be 4-2, maybe 3-3. We have about the same chance of splitting the Denver series as we do of losing to one of those teams above us.

 

[DDolla]

WOW OKC lost again with Denver and San Antonio

 

[H.C.]

OKC easiest schedule pre-break.
Yet their schedule post-break got tough as shit. And now they're losing games.
Who would've thought.

 

[illmatic99]

Thunder are in a freefall.

 

[wizenheimer]

You said this type of stuff about our schedule at the ASB. We killed it.

Minnesota is without Teague, Covington, Rose, and possibly Gibson. So they have Towns, Wiggins, and a bunch of fringe NBA players.

LA doesn't have LeBron, Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma. I doubt Rondo, Caruso, and McGee combine for 70 points against us.

Kings will be the toughest outside of the Denver games, but we should have C.J. back by then. They beat the Spurs, but the Spurs have been player very poorly lately. That games at home, and Blazers tend to play well in their season finales if they try to win.

I expect us to be 4-2, maybe 3-3. We have about the same chance of splitting the Denver series as we do of losing to one of those teams above us.

you went thru all of that verbiage to arrive at "I expect...maybe 3-3" in response to me simply explaining why I thought that 5-1 might be overly optimistic. In other words, you agreed with me but just wanted to be disagreeable

 

[dviss1]

The foul on KD was an excellent call.

3 words:

Freedom of movement.

3 more words:

Point of Emphasis (if Lamar Hurd says point of Education one more time)

If you want to stop a player from moving to a place on the floor, you have to legally occupy a space in front of them preventing them from getting there. You may not use your arms or hands to achieve a legal guarding position. That is illegal contact.

Illegal contact that disrupts a players rhythm, balance, speed, or quickness is a foul and it was rightly called against Durant.

 

[dviss1]

Curry should've gotten Tech for leaving the floor.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The foul on KD was an excellent call.

3 words:

Freedom of movement.

3 more words:

Point of Emphasis (if Lamar Hurd says point of Education one more time)

If you want to stop a player from moving to a place on the floor, you have to legally occupy a space in front of them preventing them from getting there. You may not use your arms or hands to achieve a legal guarding position. That is illegal contact.

Illegal contact that disrupts a players rhythm, balance, speed, or quickness is a foul and it was rightly called against Durant.

If you're referring to the GSW's whine and moan session when they lost to Minnesota. I legit thought the refs got those calls RIGHT. In my opinion, Curry should've got T'd up for pointing at and trying to show up the ref the whole down the court too. I was hoping you would chime in even if you disagree with me because I appreciate the perspective.

 

[dviss1]

If you're referring to the GSW's whine and moan session when they lost to Minnesota. I legit thought the refs got those calls RIGHT. In my opinion, Curry should've got T'd up for pointing at and trying to show up the ref the whole down the court too. I was hoping you would chime in even if you disagree with me because I appreciate the perspective.

There are lots of things to consider when calling a technical foul.

I do believe Curry deserved one for leaving the floor. Much more of a violation than pointing and jeering at the ref.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

There are lots of things to consider when calling a technical foul.

I do believe Curry deserved one for leaving the floor. Much more of a violation than pointing and jeering at the ref.

Fair enough. So my dad was super strict with me about talking to refs so thats my perspective, but he was very much into hey they do they’re job, you do yours. You can ask questions but whining about it on the court in front of people, that was not going to happen.
So I understand that isnt how it works most places especially in the NBA. I guess to me though pointing at a ref, and jeering in his face like that, ultimate disrespect move that to me is way too far...

 

[hoopsjock]

There are lots of things to consider when calling a technical foul.

I do believe Curry deserved one for leaving the floor. Much more of a violation than pointing and jeering at the ref.

Hey @dviss1, while we're talking about refs I was interested in what you think about this:

Portland Basketball just implemented a new rule that ANY interaction with a referee after the final buzzer sounds is an automatic 1 game suspension. It doesn't matter what you are talking to them about even if it is something positive. I understand the rule in theory but personally I think it's complete bullshit that you can't have a friendly discussion about explaining a call or anything like that. The other problem is that I feel like it enables the refs (especially in gyms where there is only one court therefore no one to notice) to be lazy and not really care about the level they referee the game. There is a phone number you can call and leave a message on if you have a referee issue but no one ever responds to those. As a ref do you favor a no interaction policy or do you welcome the chance to explain yourself to someone complaining about you?

 

[H.C.]

Hey @dviss1, while we're talking about refs I was interested in what you think about this:

Portland Basketball just implemented a new rule that ANY interaction with a referee after the final buzzer sounds is an automatic 1 game suspension. It doesn't matter what you are talking to them about even if it is something positive. I understand the rule in theory but personally I think it's complete bullshit that you can't have a friendly discussion about explaining a call or anything like that. The other problem is that I feel like it enables the refs (especially in gyms where there is only one court therefore no one to notice) to be lazy and not really care about the level they referee the game. There is a phone number you can call and leave a message on if you have a referee issue but no one ever responds to those. As a ref do you favor a no interaction policy or do you welcome the chance to explain yourself to someone complaining about you?

As someone who's been followed by parents after the game.
I'd say this is a good rule.
The only thing I'd say is I'm someone whos open to talking to respectful people. As well as explaining what, and why pending on the level the game was.
But for a mens league? Nah you got an issue go talk to the league.
As the league at least out in Mac gets in contact with the officials on any complaint.

I do get paid

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Hey @dviss1, while we're talking about refs I was interested in what you think about this:

Portland Basketball just implemented a new rule that ANY interaction with a referee after the final buzzer sounds is an automatic 1 game suspension. It doesn't matter what you are talking to them about even if it is something positive. I understand the rule in theory but personally I think it's complete bullshit that you can't have a friendly discussion about explaining a call or anything like that. The other problem is that I feel like it enables the refs (especially in gyms where there is only one court therefore no one to notice) to be lazy and not really care about the level they referee the game. There is a phone number you can call and leave a message on if you have a referee issue but no one ever responds to those. As a ref do you favor a no interaction policy or do you welcome the chance to explain yourself to someone complaining about you?

Any? So you say GG, and thank you to the ref and that's a suspension...?

 

[illmatic99]

Curry should've gotten Tech for leaving the floor.

He should have gotten a tech for pointing and taunting the ref after his made 3. GS has been the benefit of some really memorable calls this year and the first time they perceive as if they're on the disadvantaged end, they throw a hissy fit. Ridiculous.

 

[hoopsjock]

Any? So you say GG, and thank you to the ref and that's a suspension...?

I find it hard to believe they would suspend you for that but you have to sign a waiver stating that you will not say a word to the refs after the game so I guess that literally means you can't say that.

 

[hoopsjock]

As someone who's been followed by parents after the game.
I'd say this is a good rule.
The only thing I'd say is I'm someone whos open to talking to respectful people. As well as explaining what, and why pending on the level the game was.
But for a mens league? Nah you got an issue go talk to the league.
As the league at least out in Mac gets in contact with the officials on any complaint.

I do get paid

I totally get if it's hostile but part of growing as a player to me is learning how you can be better or what you did wrong. I should be able to respectfully go up to a ref and ask him what I could've done differently in a situation to avoid a foul call, in my opinion.

 

[BigGameDamian]

He's the one that tripped on Nurk's broken leg.

He should have gotten a tech for pointing and taunting the ref after his made 3. GS has been the benefit of some really memorable calls this year and the first time they perceive as if they're on the disadvantaged end, they throw a hissy fit. Ridiculous.

I wonder if his brother can taunt refs and get away with it?

 

[hoopsjock]

As someone who's been followed by parents after the game.
I'd say this is a good rule.
The only thing I'd say is I'm someone whos open to talking to respectful people. As well as explaining what, and why pending on the level the game was.
But for a mens league? Nah you got an issue go talk to the league.
As the league at least out in Mac gets in contact with the officials on any complaint.

I do get paid

I got suspended a game back in the day because I went off on a ref after a game. I probably deserved the suspension but the ref literally stood on one baseline of a full court game and didn't move the entire game. So when the play was on the other side of the court he'd still be standing on the baseline of the opposite side. I asked him several times during the game if he was ever going to do his job or move and he basically said every time, "what are you going to do about it?" After the game I called him a lazy piece of shit among other things about needing to go to the gym to lose some weight so he could at least jog to half court and back once during the game.

 

[dviss1]

Hey @dviss1, while we're talking about refs I was interested in what you think about this:

Portland Basketball just implemented a new rule that ANY interaction with a referee after the final buzzer sounds is an automatic 1 game suspension. It doesn't matter what you are talking to them about even if it is something positive. I understand the rule in theory but personally I think it's complete bullshit that you can't have a friendly discussion about explaining a call or anything like that. The other problem is that I feel like it enables the refs (especially in gyms where there is only one court therefore no one to notice) to be lazy and not really care about the level they referee the game. There is a phone number you can call and leave a message on if you have a referee issue but no one ever responds to those. As a ref do you favor a no interaction policy or do you welcome the chance to explain yourself to someone complaining about you?

Utter bullshit.

I love those interactions.

Here's the thing and this is going to sound pompous as shit but it's true:

Most players, coaches, and fans think they know the rules but really they don't.

People still yell "he wasn't set!!" On block/charge calls.

So, I love explaining my calls and obscure rules no one knows.

A hard and fast, zero tolerance rule on communication with officials isn't conducive to well formed outcomes. Especially when you have sub par officiating.

 

[hoopsjock]

Utter bullshit.

I love those interactions.

Here's the thing and this is going to sound pompous as shit but it's true:

Most players, coaches, and fans think they know the rules but really they don't.

People still yell "he wasn't set!!" On block/charge calls.

So, I love explaining my calls and obscure rules no one knows.

A hard and fast, zero tolerance rule on communication with officials isn't conducive to well formed outcomes. Especially when you have sub par officiating.

That's how I feel, if the game is going to be reffed in a sub par way I think it's way better to at least have the refs open to explaining what they are seeing to diffuse the situation. A good ref should want that communication line open.

In just the past few months I've dealt with refs that didn't know the rules on at least 3 occasions, there was a 4th but I'm blanking on what it was. So you tell me what the official high school rules are on these:

1) I back tap a rebound that goes into the back court where a teammate picks it up. Over and back or legal?

2) An away from the ball foul on the defense going for a rebound when the shot goes in (shot was in the air before the foul). In the NBA, if Dame hits a 3 and Kanter gets shoved to the ground trying to position himself then Kanter would shoot an "and one" free throw, but what is the rule here at this level?

3) The old airball it to yourself rule. Is it a travel or okay as long as the ref deems it was a legit shot attempt?

 

[dviss1]

. I guess to me though pointing at a ref, and jeering in his face like that, ultimate disrespect move that to me is way too far...

Facts. And a kid would get a tech.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Facts. And a kid would get a tech.

Sad but the truth is adults should be held to higher standards than 15-year-olds... An adult should get a tech too.

 

[dviss1]

SO MUCH FUN FOR ME!

1) I back tap a rebound that goes into the back court where a teammate picks it up. Over and back or legal?

A back tap is not possessing the ball. This means there is no front court or back court possession established. It's always legal. It's never over and back.

2) An away from the ball foul on the defense going for a rebound when the shot goes in (shot was in the air before the foul). In the NBA, if Dame hits a 3 and Kanter gets shoved to the ground trying to position himself then Kanter would shoot an "and one" free throw, but what is the rule here at this level?

Same. If the try is in flight, the offensive player being fouled would shoot. At any level.

To piggy back: If the offense has the bonus, A-1 shoots a three point try goes that through the hoop and THEN A-2 is pushed down. A-2 gets 2 free throws and the try is good for 3.

3) The old airball it to yourself rule. Is it a travel or okay as long as the ref deems it was a legit shot attempt?

That is only traveling at the NBA level.

 

[hoopsjock]

A back tap is not possessing the ball. This means there is no front court or back court possession established. It's always legal. It's never over and back.

{This is in a Hillsboro League, not the Portland Basketball one}
The refs called it over and back. One of the refs was a super nice guy, even though he's not the greatest ref, so at a dead ball I politely asked him if he was sure about the rule. He said yes but at halftime he said he went and looked up the call and said that I was partially correct that it is a judgement call whether the tap was a controlled tap or not. He apologized but said it was questionable whether I purposely tapped it into the back court allowing wiggle room for the call to go either way. I said that if I tip the ball but never possess it then you can't ever consider that control of the ball. It's frustrating when the refs don't even know the rules or how to interpret them.

Same. If the try is in flight, the offensive player being fouled would shoot. At any level.

To piggy back: If the offense has the bonus, A-1 shoots a three point try goes that through the hoop and THEN A-2 is pushed down. A-2 gets 2 free throws and the try is good for 3.

This actually happened twice, both while the try was in flight.

First time, we weren't in the penalty so they freaking award them possession of the ball AND count a 3 pointer as good. The stupid ref actually tried telling me that an away from the ball foul is treated as a separate incident in basketball and it doesn't matter if there is a shot attempt in flight or not. I was so pissed but he was so fucking cocky about it and refused to discuss it further.

Second time, they were in the double bonus. It was one of those where the off ball foul occurred almost simultaneously with the shot attempt. The ref calls a foul, counts the bucket and awards the other guy 2 free throws. I said either the foul took place before the shot which would put into effect just the foul and the basket wouldn't count or if you call the basket good the guy who got fouled should get one free throw attempt not two. He told me that since I have never been a ref I shouldn't try to tell him the rules. Fucker, lol!

That is only traveling at the NBA level.

I wish that was the rule at all levels, that way it would eliminate any judgement.

 

[dviss1]

He should have gotten a tech for pointing and taunting the ref after his made 3. GS has been the benefit of some really memorable calls this year and the first time they perceive as if they're on the disadvantaged end, they throw a hissy fit. Ridiculous.

Yeah, that's hard.

He deserves a T. Definitely. But....

You don't want to end the game like that.

That's why I'll never take my level of officiating that high.

NBA refs can barely call traveling let alone a Tech.

 

[dviss1]

{This is in a Hillsboro League, not the Portland Basketball one}
The refs called it over and back. One of the refs was a super nice guy, even though he's not the greatest ref, so at a dead ball I politely asked him if he was sure about the rule. He said yes but at halftime he said he went and looked up the call and said that I was partially correct that it is a judgement call whether the tap was a controlled tap or not. He apologized but said it was questionable whether I purposely tapped it into the back court allowing wiggle room for the call to go either way. I said that if I tip the ball but never possess it then you can't ever consider that control of the ball. It's frustrating when the refs don't even know the rules or how to interpret them.


This actually happened twice, both while the try was in flight.

First time, we weren't in the penalty so they freaking award them possession of the ball AND count a 3 pointer as good. The stupid ref actually tried telling me that an away from the ball foul is treated as a separate incident in basketball and it doesn't matter if there is a shot attempt in flight or not. I was so pissed but he was so fucking cocky about it and refused to discuss it further.

Second time, they were in the double bonus. It was one of those where the off ball foul occurred almost simultaneously with the shot attempt. The ref calls a foul, counts the bucket and awards the other guy 2 free throws. I said either the foul took place before the shot which would put into effect just the foul and the basket wouldn't count or if you call the basket good the guy who got fouled should get one free throw attempt not two. He told me that since I have never been a ref I shouldn't try to tell him the rules. Fucker, lol!


I wish that was the rule at all levels, that way it would eliminate any judgement.

IMHO the NBA has it wrong. I don't think it should be called as traveling at any level. That said, the NBA rule should trickle down so it's uniform.

In your future dealings with referees, try to say things like:

What did I do?
What happened?

But keep in mind (this is gonna sound pompous AF):

You're probably not going to ever get a referee as good as me in a city league game. One who beats ALL of you up and down the floor to get in position to make the call.

You're gonna get some sorry, lame ass, $17-20 an hour official.

Assignors know that I make $30+ per and won't referee men's league BY DESIGN.

 

[hoopsjock]

IMHO the NBA has it wrong. I don't think it should be called as traveling at any level. That said, the NBA rule should trickle down so it's uniform.

In your future dealings with referees, try to say things like:

What did I do?
What happened?

But keep in mind (this is gonna sound pompous AF):

You're probably not going to ever get a referee as good as me in a city league game. One who beats ALL of you up and down the floor to get in position to make the call.

You're gonna get some sorry, lame ass, $17-20 an hour official.

Assignors know that I make $30+ per and won't referee men's league BY DESIGN.

Yeah, I'm lucky if I get a referee that can make it past half court, lol. We almost always get these two refs that NEVER switch positions like they should on a foul call or whatever. That way the entire game they only have to run half the court. It really pisses me off, especially a couple weeks ago in the championship game where it was tied with a few minutes to go and there were several missed calls because refs weren't in the correct positions.

I also hate anticipation calls especially when the ref knows he made a bad call and then doubles down. I tried to be polite at first or if there is a new ref but it's hard when certain refs don't like you questioning them, even in a respectful manner, or when refs have admitted to me that they let fouls go when playing an inferior or smaller player because I'm good enough to just play through it. That's some bullshit. I had one play where I went up for a little baby hook in the lane so I was sideways from the defender and he swung his arm hard enough to knock down my off arm and got me in the back of the head on the follow through. The ref said he saw both but that he didn't touch my shooting arm so that's on me to finish stronger since I have more skill than him. I was like excuse me? I wish there was a way to video tape it and show you all the bull shit that I deal with.

 

[H.C.]

I totally get if it's hostile but part of growing as a player to me is learning how you can be better or what you did wrong. I should be able to respectfully go up to a ref and ask him what I could've done differently in a situation to avoid a foul call, in my opinion.

I have no issues if you come up to me and want to have a conversation about what I saw and what you believe you did on the play. We don't even have to agree, but agree or not I'm not going to change the call. I'll even tell someone how to avoid me calling that again.
But if you approach me with hostile body language or if you're animated. I'm keeping the whistle in my mouth. As at that point it doesn't matter what I say. You're not going to agree with it.
Even if I'm 100% sure I will go look up a rule after the game to make sure I called it right. Which 9 times out of 10 I'm right. Especially with soccer & basketball rules. Baseball/Volleyball not so much.

I got suspended a game back in the day because I went off on a ref after a game. I probably deserved the suspension but the ref literally stood on one baseline of a full court game and didn't move the entire game. So when the play was on the other side of the court he'd still be standing on the baseline of the opposite side. I asked him several times during the game if he was ever going to do his job or move and he basically said every time, "what are you going to do about it?" After the game I called him a lazy piece of shit among other things about needing to go to the gym to lose some weight so he could at least jog to half court and back once during the game.

Seems like this league employs so pretty shit refs.