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How are the vaccine rollouts going in those countries with "universal healthcare"?
 
HAAK72 said:
...I got the J&J jab here in Central Oregon yesterday. I feel like that stage right before you get sick when your body is kind of achey and weak with mild chills (and arm is sore). But that's it. I didn't stroke out!!
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But the guy in Sly’s link in the post just prior to yours did...
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
My coworker is telling me that her niece's cousin went into a coma after having a stroke after the J&J. Dunno if its one of these urban legends going around or not.
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I don’t understand the J&J shot. I’d wait for Pfizer or Moderna, even if it was only one. Isn’t even a solo shot of either of those better than the one J&J?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I don’t understand the J&J shot. I’d wait for Pfizer or Moderna, even if it was only one. Isn’t even a solo shot of either of those better than the one J&J?
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No, I think the most important is to get the first shot you can get. They are all as effective in preventing death or getting very sick if you do catch COVID. This efficacy shit is kind of fudged from what I hear.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I don’t understand the J&J shot. I’d wait for Pfizer or Moderna, even if it was only one. Isn’t even a solo shot of either of those better than the one J&J?
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...I had a choice and elected to go with one single shot that uses tried and true methods rather than "experimental" mRNA manipulation. :dunno:
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
How are the vaccine rollouts going in those countries with "universal healthcare"?
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Kind of a weak attempt at a point, when you consider how this rollout is happening. Imagine if the vaccines were available to us as citizens the way other vaccines are, instead of this massive effort to get as many shots in arms as possible. Imagine if they were charging for the vaccine the way they do for some other vaccines, instead of just jabbing everyone possible in the arm.
Swing and a miss on that one.
 
HAAK72 said:
...I had a choice and elected to go with one single shot that uses tried and true methods rather than "experimental" mRNA manipulation. :dunno:
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it wasn’t meant as a diss. it was a question of curiosity.

it just seems like the whole use of aborted fetal stem cells and increased reactions, i figured there’d be more folks against it. i honestly have only heard blips and clips and mostly have not paid attention.
 
RR7 said:
Kind of a weak attempt at a point, when you consider how this rollout is happening. Imagine if the vaccines were available to us as citizens the way other vaccines are, instead of this massive effort to get as many shots in arms as possible. Imagine if they were charging for the vaccine the way they do for some other vaccines, instead of just jabbing everyone possible in the arm.
Swing and a miss on that one.
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Kind of a weak response when you use the word "Imagine" in most of your sentences. You're thinking in hypotheticals.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

So far, the US has done a great job. Plus, we have the best of the best of the vaccines, none of this Sputnik or Astra Zeneca bullshit. For those of you who complain why prescription drug prices are so high, this is why. Because the money is used to fund other research. And we get the first right to buy the vaccines we need.

Canada has been terrible.
Europe has been terrible.
Mexico has been terrible.

If the UK didn't Brexit, they would have likely been terrible as well.
 
Europe: Dealing with Bureaucrats.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56600660

Why has the European rollout been so slow?
Only 16% of the EU's population has so far received a dose of vaccine.

The EU was slow to negotiate a contract with vaccine manufacturer AstraZeneca which caused supply problems. It also sparked a political row with the UK, where AstraZeneca has plants and where 52% of the population has had at least one dose.

The EU's deals with Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna also ran into early problems with production and distribution.

EU regulators were then slow to authorise vaccines for use. Some EU countries subsequently paused their rollouts of the AstraZeneca jab over reports of blood clots among a small number of people who had received a dose. Others restricted its use among older people over concerns that the company had not provided enough testing data.
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Canada: They keep drug costs low by not having a lot of phramaceutical companies in Canada. This is the end result.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/08/canada-low-covid-vaccine-capacity-480226

Canada's race for Covid vaccines quickly exposed a flaw: It lacked the capacity to produce any.

The absence of domestic manufacturing forced the Trudeau government from the get-go into a global competition to attract drug producers to the country’s shores.

So far, Canada has had to rely entirely on over-burdened foreign supply chains for a Covid vaccine rollout that has lagged international peers, including the United States.

“We started, I would say, in a position that I don’t want to find ourselves to be in the future, whatever may come next,” Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne told POLITICO in a recent interview.

But even as the government works to get the country ahead of Covid variants, it's determined to establish better footing for the next pandemic. It's not alone.

“Many countries of the world have drawn the same conclusion as Canada, that they would want to have more domestic capacity. ... Part of the challenge is getting [companies’] attention and attracting them to Canada,” Champagne added.

Lessons from the fallout: The biomanufacturing scarcity in Canada has highlighted the health risks of foreign dependence as well as the political ones.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has faced flak for Canada’s program to get doses into arms. Trudeau has predicted everyone who wants to get vaccinated will be able to by September, though he’s recently said the timeline could end up being shorter. Just 1.76 percent of Canadians were fully vaccinated as of March 27 and only around 10 percent had received one dose, says the Public Health Agency of Canada.

Last year, his government signed contracts totaling more than C$1 billion with eight drug companies to line up promising vaccine candidates from abroad. Canada, however, won’t have the capacity to produce its own Covid-19 vaccine until the end of 2021 at the earliest.
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
So far, the US has done a great job. Plus, we have the best of the best of the vaccines, none of this Sputnik or Astra Zeneca bullshit. For those of you who complain why prescription drug prices are so high, this is why. Because the money is used to fund other research. And we get the first right to buy the vaccines we need.
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The reason your point is weak is because this vaccine rollout has essentially been "universal health care." It's going to be available to everyone, free of charge. So this isn't a point against universal health care, it's a point for it.

As for prescription drug prices being high because so much cost goes into R&D, that's certainly true. That has nothing to do with universal health care. Drug-makers could still pour tons of money into R&D and prescription drugs might still cost a lot, but it would be tax-payer funded, so anyone who needed prescription drugs could get them, whether or not they had money for them. You know, universal health care.
 
I thought most drug companies spend more on TV ads then they do R&D?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I thought most drug companies spend more on TV ads then they do R&D?
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https://www.csrxp.org/dose-of-reality-breaking-down-the-big-pharma-dollar/
 
Just got back from L.A. First flight in a year. We're fully vaxxed and wore masks of course. But wow, it sure was great to start to feel normal. L.A. was buzzing. Ate inside a restaurant (Philippes for you other ex-Angelenos).

Sign of the (new) times: Flight back was 100% FULL. I'm liking Biden's America!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Now find one of these for car insurance. I've always wondered what these companies pay for ads vs claims.
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If I am reading Geico Indemnity's latest financial report correctly it's about 2:1 claims:marketing ratio - but I have only took a quick glance at the BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY 10-K statement before I remembered that I do not enjoy this stuff...

So... google it, dog.
 
Minstrel said:
The reason your point is weak is because this vaccine rollout has essentially been "universal health care." It's going to be available to everyone, free of charge. So this isn't a point against universal health care, it's a point for it.

As for prescription drug prices being high because so much cost goes into R&D, that's certainly true. That has nothing to do with universal health care. Drug-makers could still pour tons of money into R&D and prescription drugs might still cost a lot, but it would be tax-payer funded, so anyone who needed prescription drugs could get them, whether or not they had money for them. You know, universal health care.
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How are the countries that actually are big on Universal Healthcare doing, though. We're always being compared to Canada and Europe as to their models of healthcare. I'm even for universal healthcare, but I see how the government bureaucracy can fuck it up. Out the gate, whatever we did worked. I'm shocked that we even have a vaccine, better yet, distributed it widely by April.

This isn't universal healthcare, its an national emergency / disaster. That was the knock on Universal Healthcare, that you'd be waiting forever to get something done. Some countries make it simple, others make it hard.

We used our capitalist strength to acquire the vaccine posthaste, while working with private companies and along with the Government to distribute it quickly.
 
Stevenson said:
Just got back from L.A. First flight in a year. We're fully vaxxed and wore masks of course. But wow, it sure was great to start to feel normal. L.A. was buzzing. Ate inside a restaurant (Philippes for you other ex-Angelenos).

Sign of the (new) times: Flight back was 100% FULL. I'm liking Biden's America!
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LA's dining has been back the past 2-3 weeks. Prior to that, it was all outdoor and 2 months ago, outdoor dining was banned still.

We've been going to San Diego and Orange County and Las Vegas more to be able to experience more freedom. Its like night and day when you cross county lines.

LA's turning into a bigger shithole. Homeless everywhere is a huge problem. Violent crime way up as well.



The idiot local councilman, Mike Bonin actually wants to set up more homeless camps on the beach. They want to ruin the last beautiful parts of LA so we all get accosted by mentally ill addicts.
 
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Got Pfizer #1 today. I think I’m becoming a zombie. Or a vampire. One of those.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
How are the countries that actually are big on Universal Healthcare doing, though. We're always being compared to Canada and Europe as to their models of healthcare.
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It really doesn't matter. "Universal health care" and "funding R&D" aren't mutually exclusive. If you're saying there are aspects of how they do things that are non-ideal or inefficient, that's probably true and we don't have to do things exactly like any other country--it's unlikely the US could do it exactly like any other country anyway.

The point is, no matter what you want to label it, the vaccine is being offered to everyone for free and somehow that didn't prevent this vaccine (and other types of vaccines, as Sly noted) from being developed. That goes to show that things can be offered universally and "for free" (at the individual level--obviously everything is paid for at the societal level) while still having the necessary innovation, execution and distribution. That's why this is a point in favor of universal health care, not against.
 
Minstrel said:
It really doesn't matter. "Universal health care" and "funding R&D" aren't mutually exclusive. If you're saying there are aspects of how they do things that are non-ideal or inefficient, that's probably true and we don't have to do things exactly like any other country--it's unlikely the US could do it exactly like any other country anyway.

The point is, no matter what you want to label it, the vaccine is being offered to everyone for free and somehow that didn't prevent this vaccine (and other types of vaccines, as Sly noted) from being developed. That goes to show that things can be offered universally and "for free" (at the individual level--obviously everything is paid for at the societal level) while still having the necessary innovation, execution and distribution. That's why this is a point in favor of universal health care, not against.
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I certainly disagree that it’s a point in favor of universal healthcare.
 
Minstrel said:
It really doesn't matter. "Universal health care" and "funding R&D" aren't mutually exclusive. If you're saying there are aspects of how they do things that are non-ideal or inefficient, that's probably true and we don't have to do things exactly like any other country--it's unlikely the US could do it exactly like any other country anyway.

The point is, no matter what you want to label it, the vaccine is being offered to everyone for free and somehow that didn't prevent this vaccine (and other types of vaccines, as Sly noted) from being developed. That goes to show that things can be offered universally and "for free" (at the individual level--obviously everything is paid for at the societal level) while still having the necessary innovation, execution and distribution. That's why this is a point in favor of universal health care, not against.
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Except that countries with Universal Healthcare have bungled acquisition and distribution. Gotta keep them costs down!
 
It says it’s one shot, but I’m not cool with that advertisement with two Johnson’s at once. Fools gold.
 
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