The Official Draft Thread (Nets Select Sean Williams)

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I'm still not understanding why you're making it like we're fighting against each other or something lol. I don't think anyone has used per 48 minute numbers in anything either. I haven't seen much of Sean Williams, and I didn't know most of his blocks came that way, though I don't know if "most" can come that way, but a good amount is what you're saying. Even then, the good shot blockers also get what I suppose we can call "bad" blocks. If that's the case then you might be right, but I didn't get this impression from any of the scouting reports I've read about him. A lot of what I read was that he had very good shot blocking instincts, and he was kinda making me think he's a Theo Ratliff type guy in that area, especially with the poor rebounding too because of going after too many blocks, but also b/c of his poor technique. </div>

Nice, scouting reports and a calculator. Great way of proving your argument, only wish more people would talk about basketball without actually having watched it.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't want to be grammar police, and this isn't English class, but actually "pretty good" does NOT mean better than good. When one says pretty good it means "fairly" or "moderately" good, that's the actual definition of "pretty" when used in that sense; and that's what I was saying. When pretty is used as an adverb, it means something like "to a sufficient degree".

You described them as being "decent", well decent itself in this sense would mean "fairly good", so we're saying the same thing here.

So I guess I don't need to reply to the rest of what you said do I? </div>

Grammar police? What are we, in 3rd grade? You can't define a term that is subjective in itself. Besides I won't be taking dictionary lessons from a guy who still uses 'lol' when he types. Pretty good means exactly how I state it.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This is funny too because I was thinking to myself, Caron unlike Sean changed before he got to the NBA, so it's not a direct comparison, and wasn't meant to be. Caron Butler though was arrested a good amount of times before he was even a senior in highschool, so I wasn't actually talking about that one situation. Like already said though, I don't have any more hope in Williams changing his ways than the next person, he seems to like smoking weed more than playing basketball, but I don't think I was ever talking about his attitude and his ability to change.
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End of the day Caron still made it to the lottery. If you weren't challenging his character fine, but in my opinion, he can't be a player, like you said, if he can't change his attitude.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well that's fine then, I can accept that. We just have a difference in opinion then, or I guess he could be an idiot shot blocker like Dalmbert and foul a lot and lead the league in goaltends. Though Dalmbert does look very good in the international zone type setting where he's just camping in the lane blocking shots.</div>

Fine with me.

 

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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nice, scouting reports and a calculator. Great way of proving your argument, only wish more people would talk about basketball without actually having watched it.</div>
Scouts are supposed to HAVE watched the guy play, sorry I don't have time to watch every college basketball player there is, and because you happened to have watched more of him think you now own the world. Of course I'm being sarcastic, you don't have to reply me telling me how you didn't imply that with anything you said. I'm trying to be civil with you and have us reason together, but you just want to attempt to insult and be as antagonistic as possible.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Grammar police? What are we, in 3rd grade? You can't define a term that is subjective in itself. Besides I won't be taking dictionary lessons from a guy who still uses 'lol' when he types. Pretty good means exactly how I state it. </div>
Again, I'm trying to be lighthearted here, and you're just trying to be antagonistic for no reason I can see. Maybe you should take grammar lessons from the dictionary then since you're not right, and that's not how "pretty" is defined when used as an adverb. Don't start the grammar correction then ask me if we're in grade three, and then just say "I'm right because I said so". Give me a dictionary definition saying pretty good means that, then I'll agree with you, but you saying so means nothing ot me. Pretty good does not mean better than good, and me saying "lol" does not determine anything about how much grammar I know, that's just picking at nonsense to be annoying. This is the internet and a message board, this isn't me writing a paper.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">End of the day Caron still made it to the lottery. If you weren't challenging his character fine, but in my opinion, he can't be a player, like you said, if he can't change his attitude.</div>
Well we all agree on that.

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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Scouts are supposed to HAVE watched the guy play, sorry I don't have time to watch every college basketball player there is, and because you happened to have watched more of him think you now own the world. Of course I'm being sarcastic, you don't have to reply me telling me how you didn't imply that with anything you said. I'm trying to be civil with you and have us reason together, but you just want to attempt to insult and be as antagonistic as possible.</div>

One thing I can't really stand is people reading a paper and acting like they knew what happen. This is why I hate going to the main forum where there's a bunch of kids telling me how good Wilt and Russell were when their grandparents are probably too young to remember. If you don't know, just admit to it and not talk about it. If you really want to be condescending and tell me how reading some report and crunching numbers on your calculator is the way to accurately predict a guy's ability, you've got another thing coming to you. It's like if I wrote you a book report about Venice without going there. I can present to you what I read in a book, but none of it would have sustenance because I've never been there. You can't expect anyone to take you seriously when all you do is report back what others tell you. It's just not how it works.

So if you want to be righteous and continue to berate me for paragraphs for one line? Go ahead. End of the day, I've watched him play, analyzed his game on my own, and you've read some report. Whether it be the horrible draftexpress.com or the even worse nbadraft.net, both that were under 30% right for the prediction of how the draft went, go ahead trust it. But don't you dare tell me to take your word, or in this case, the words of someone else. That's paraphrasing, and that's basically plagiarism.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Again, I'm trying to be lighthearted here, and you're just trying to be antagonistic for no reason I can see. Maybe you should take grammar lessons from the dictionary then since you're not right, and that's not how "pretty" is defined when used as an adverb. Don't start the grammar correction then ask me if we're in grade three, and then just say "I'm right because I said so". Give me a dictionary definition saying pretty good means that, then I'll agree with you, but you saying so means nothing ot me. Pretty good does not mean better than good, and me saying "lol" does not determine anything about how much grammar I know, that's just picking at nonsense to be annoying. This is the internet and a message board, this isn't me writing a paper. </div>

Like you said this is an internet message board. It is unable to understand tone and intonation without you actually saying so. Coming here and telling me you meant it light-heartily, how the hell am I supposed to know? Cause you said 'lol'? I'm over 30 years old, you expect me to understand what my nephew's lingo?

Secondly, if you really want to get technical, pretty as an adverb can also mean very. Like I said, it's a subjective term, you know what that means, right officer?

 

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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So if you want to be righteous and continue to berate me for paragraphs for one line? Go ahead. End of the day, I've watched him play, analyzed his game on my own, and you've read some report. Whether it be the horrible draftexpress.com or the even worse nbadraft.net, both that were under 30% right for the prediction of how the draft went, go ahead trust it. But don't you dare tell me to take your word, or in this case, the words of someone else. That's paraphrasing, and that's basically plagiarism. </div>
Accuracy in predicting a draft means nothing in terms of ability to scout a specific player. The coaches, team scouts, GM's, whoever else we can look at in the NBA wouldn't be more than 30% accurate in predicting the draft themselves because they don't know what everyone else is thinking, as there are too many variables. While your analogy is fair, comparing the interpretation of an NBA players skills from words and seeing him play (I said I haven't seen much of him, not that I haven't seen him AT ALL) to describing a city don't directly correlate. There's much more in describing a city than there is in describing a players skills, especially when one plays, watches and knows basketball already. You're making too much of this, I thought and still think the guy can be a good shot blocker if he plays in the NBA. I didn't watch all 15 of his games this past season or all of his games for his whole career, but I saw him play, have seen some of his blocks, have heard what other people who have also watched him have to say, and I'm fine with that. I never claimed to be an expert on him, but I put out what I could based on what information was available to me. I didn't say this is how he will be, I said this is my perception of him, the end.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Like you said this is an internet message board. It is unable to understand tone and intonation without you actually saying so. Coming here and telling me you meant it light-heartily, how the hell am I supposed to know? Cause you said 'lol'? I'm over 30 years old, you expect me to understand what my nephew's lingo?</div>
There was nothing I said that was mean in the first place so I didn't need to mean anything lightheartedly. What I mean was that I approached this whole debate lightheartedly, and I definately can't conclude that you did the same thing and still can't see anything that directs me to that conclusion.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Secondly, if you really want to get technical, pretty as an adverb can also mean very. Like I said, it's a subjective term, you know what that means, right officer?</div>
I don't know of many people who use it in that sense, but that's fine. I'm not the one that was telling you what you meant by your use of a phrase. You're the one that was telling me it's "simple English" that it means "very good". Now you tell me it's subjective. In addition to that, I clearly said before that what I meant was pretty good in the sense of being moderate or decent, but you replied me with saying something like "pretty good means exactly how I state it". Well, that's very good then.