The official "I promise not to commit suicide if the Blazers lose today" thread

[Mediocre Man]

Well this team is young and cheap. Worst case scenario is they lose in round one, get some playoff experience, sign a big free agent maybe Bibby this year or if they are patient, Wade next year and they will be contenders for years to come.

While your scenerio is fun to look at, Portland can't get anyone next off season.


Portland will have both Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge to extend then, and will be well over the cap.

Bibby might be someone who could be added though

 

[oldmangrouch]

That might be true, but momentum is a fickle thing. If the Blazers had broken the Rocket's momentum after the 1st quarter, they would still have had a chance. Instead, they went into "headless chicken" mode, and never came out of it. Can you honestly say their lack of experience had nothing to do with that.

OK, anybody watch the Philly/Orlando game? An 18 point comeback, with a couple of hoary old vets (Miller, Marshall) making big contributions.

Philly could have collapsed the same way the Blazers did - and they DIDN'T.

 

[Nikolokolus]

OK, anybody watch the Philly/Orlando game? An 18 point comeback, with a couple of hoary old vets (Miller, Marshall) making big contributions.

Philly could have collapsed the same way the Blazers did - and they DIDN'T.

I love Miller and think he could be a great add to this team.

 

[anonymous gambler]

If you think Richard Jefferson or Vince Carter would have saved the Blazers from the Rocket onslaught Saturday night, I have to say, I completely disagree with your point that a trade would have made a difference for that game.

Or Butler or Wallace- would have given an extra option on offense.

 

[Wheels]

If you think Richard Jefferson or Vince Carter would have saved the Blazers from the Rocket onslaught Saturday night, I have to say, I completely disagree with your point that a trade would have made a difference for that game.

Agreed.. its not like VC would have helped on D.. hell we could have lost by 45

 

[KingSpeed]

Blake and Przy are vets.

 

[THE HCP]

Bring back Z-BO!

 

[Deebag]

Blake and Przy are vets.

Who are both having career years and haven't accomplished much the previous years.

 

[Masbee]

Or Butler or Wallace- would have given an extra option on offense.

Butler was not available. Might as well say, "or LeBron".

Wallace would have cost us Batum. Would you have paid that price? I wouldn't.

 

[Masbee]

OK, anybody watch the Philly/Orlando game? An 18 point comeback, with a couple of hoary old vets (Miller, Marshall) making big contributions.

Philly could have collapsed the same way the Blazers did - and they DIDN'T.

Andre Miller is a point guard, and wasn't part of any trade rumours. I don't think Philly had any interest in moving him. And yes, I would have traded RLEC for him.

 

[LittleAlex]

OK, anybody watch the Philly/Orlando game? An 18 point comeback, with a couple of hoary old vets (Miller, Marshall) making big contributions.

Philly could have collapsed the same way the Blazers did - and they DIDN'T.

What about the contribution of crusty vets Hedo, Alston and Lewis?

Oh wait, Orlando lost.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Andre Miller is a point guard, and wasn't part of any trade rumours. I don't think Philly had any interest in moving him. And yes, I would have traded RLEC for him.

I understand your point. There are really 2 separate debates going on here.

First, is adding experience a worthwhile goal, particularly if we have to give quality to get quality?

Second, was there a player we needed/wanted available?

 

[RR7]

What about the contribution of crusty vets Hedo, Alston and Lewis?

Oh wait, Orlando lost.

I was going to ask the same thing. One side's vets helped, the others didn't. So that's a sign vets were needed? Andre Miller has 22 games of playoff experience. Never been out of the first round. Hedo has WAY mroe playoff experience. So shouldn't Hedo have been carrying Orlando to a win? No. That doesn't help your bull shit excusemaking. Why no mention of the defending champions? All of those guys have the experience of a title run as recently as last season. And got beat by a rookie PG.

 

[oldmangrouch]

For some folks, this topic is clearly a giraffe fart - ie it goes right over their heads.


This discussion isn't about every NBA game ever played - it is about 2 specific games.

The Blazers fell into a big hole early, went to pieces, and got humiliated. Philly fell into a big hole early, kept their heads, and ultimately won the game. If you are going to sit there and tell me that Portland's inexperience had NOTHING to do with that.....I just don't know what to say.

 

[RR7]

So what of Orlando's experience?

 

[DaRizzle]

 

[LittleAlex]

For some folks, this topic is clearly a giraffe fart - ie it goes right over their heads.


This discussion isn't about every NBA game ever played - it is about 2 specific games.

The Blazers fell into a big hole early, went to pieces, and got humiliated. Philly fell into a big hole early, kept their heads, and ultimately won the game. If you are going to sit there and tell me that Portland's inexperience had NOTHING to do with that.....I just don't know what to say.

The issue is not veterans alone. It is about quality vets that fit into the team concept and can lead.

And let's not start jocking Donyell Marshal too much. He has 6 other games to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Your idea is that Portland needed to get veteran players to have a chance in the playoffs. As an example you used Philly. Great! They do have a couple of crusty vets that showed up when they were needed. Unfortunately for your argument, Orlando has MORE crusty vets who didn't show up and let Philly back in the game.

Hell, Miami decided to start James Jones due to his crusty veteran-ness and look how that worked out.

The sad fact is that veteran experience played no roll in Philly's victory since it was easily balanced by the other team.

I was one of the people here who wanted Portland to get a veteran and was disappointed that KP didn't do anything with RLEC. I do think another slasher who could get calls would be worth having, since Roy is the only guy on the team who can get his own shot consistently. Not having that didn't doom Portland on Saturday. Not coming to play and not matching Houston's aggression did. I can't think of one player mentioned as a possible target could have turned the tide in that game.

 

[oldmangrouch]

So what of Orlando's experience?

Because this discussion has nothing to do with either Orlando or Huston. It is about Philly and Portland. It is about how 2 teams facing the same crisis responded in opposite ways!

 

[oldmangrouch]

The sad fact is that veteran experience played no roll in Philly's victory since it was easily balanced by the other team.

This is where I totally disagree. If Philly was as inexperienced as Portland, they would have lost.

You said it yourself - experience balanced out experience, and that gave Philly a *chance* to win, despite their rough start. Not a guarantee, but a fighting chance.

 

[RR7]

I see. So you refuse to listen to other examples, because they don't fit your specific example. That's just stupid. Good luck to you. Keep whining about what happened in February, I suppose.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I see. So you refuse to listen to other examples, because they don't fit your specific example. That's just stupid. Good luck to you. Keep whining about what happened in February, I suppose.

Fine. Cite an example where a team lost BECAUSE they were more experienced than their opponents, and I will be happy to listen.

Every game has a winner and a loser. Experienced teams aren't immune to being on the losing side, and I never implied otherwise. That doesn't mean experience caused them to lose. OTOH, inexperience CAN cause you to lose.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So did anyone end up committing suicide?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

So did anyone end up committing suicide?

MasterChef nearly did.

Nearly.

 

[drexlersdad]

some weird andre miller banter in here

 

[Nikolokolus]

some weird andre miller banter in here

How so? I'm pretty sure there was "talk" at the trade deadline; IIRC, a lot of people were hopeful that K-pee would have somehow flipped RLEC (Raef Lafrentz's expiring corpse) into Miller ... or maybe it was that Andre Miller was about to enter free agency? Either way, I still miss Miller a little bit.

 

[mgb]

So did anyone end up committing suicide?

Only attempted.

 

[drexlersdad]

How so? I'm pretty sure there was "talk" at the trade deadline; IIRC, a lot of people were hopeful that K-pee would have somehow flipped RLEC (Raef Lafrentz's expiring corpse) into Miller ... or maybe it was that Andre Miller was about to enter free agency? Either way, I still miss Miller a little bit.

weird as in eerie

me too