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Why should we stop giving aid to Israel? It's probably from some liberal doofs website..eh.
 
I just realized that I have a jewish friend who went to Israel this summer.
 
Alrite, let's get something straight here....NOBODY IS RIGHT! I'm sick of reading biased posts that accuse the other side of wrongdoing when they blanatly ignore the fact that the side they're defending is just as wrong in this situation. Israel has every right to defend itself against Hezbollah and Hamas, but killing hundreds of civilians on a daily basis is not the way to do it. And talking about Israel has free reign to do as it pleases, perhaps if they weren't provoked as often as they are, this situation could be avoided. However, because this is more of a religiious issue than a political issue, there is no end in sight. And if the US steps in with military force, it'll be the biggest mistake in the history of this country.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace_o_spades @ Jul 19 2006, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alrite, let's get something straight here....NOBODY IS RIGHT! I'm sick of reading biased posts that accuse the other side of wrongdoing when they blanatly ignore the fact that the side they're defending is just as wrong in this situation. Israel has every right to defend itself against Hezbollah and Hamas, but killing hundreds of civilians on a daily basis is not the way to do it. And talking about Israel has free reign to do as it pleases, perhaps if they weren't provoked as often as they are, this situation could be avoided. However, because this is more of a religiious issue than a political issue, there is no end in sight. And if the US steps in with military force, it'll be the biggest mistake in the history of this country.</div> Thats out of question in my opinion...We have too many troops bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, I see an internation peace keeping operation but no U.S. intervention.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 19 2006, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats out of question in my opinion...We have too many troops bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, I see an internation peace keeping operation but no U.S. intervention.</div>An international peace kepping operation? In theory, its a great idea. Of course, an international peace keeping would be 90% America, 7% Britain and 3% the rest of the world.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace_o_spades @ Jul 19 2006, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>An international peace kepping operation? In theory, its a great idea. Of course, an international peace keeping would be 90% America, 7% Britain and 3% the rest of the world.</div>You're pretty awesome. This is why I've been saying all along that the UN doesn't work. If we dropped out of it, I imagine it would fall apart.I think this Israel thing is actually getting a little bit better in some ways. Hopefully this will just be over soon (because they stop fighting, not because the world ends).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You're pretty awesome. This is why I've been saying all along that the UN doesn't work. If we dropped out of it, I imagine it would fall apart.</div>Not only does America make up the majority of these militairy operations, it also hosts the UN building, yet has no more say than any other nation.Plus, every secretary-general has been a communist or something similar. The UN is not made to stand, it's made to fail. And it has failed
 
We can have military intervention without using many troops.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You're pretty awesome. This is why I've been saying all along that the UN doesn't work. If we dropped out of it, I imagine it would fall apart.</div>I wrote a thesis paper about the effectiveness of the UN and found that everything the UN does hinges on America. The UN is America's puppet, if America were to drop out the UN would be in shambles<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Not only does America make up the majority of these militairy operations, it also hosts the UN building, yet has no more say than any other nation.</div>In theory yes, this is true. In actuality, it's not. If America wants to do something, they'll do it. Look at the situation in Iraq. Bush was told repeatedly by the UN not to invade Iraq but America basically shoved them to the side and continued on. It pissed off the world yes but when America needed help out there, who did we call on? The UN. If the UN was really as balanced as you its supposed, do you honestly believe that the UN would have helped America out? Do they really want other countries to spend their money to help rebuild a country that should have never been destroyed in the first place? Especially when the country that invaded Iraq has the means to rebuild the country itself?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I think this Israel thing is actually getting a little bit better in some ways. Hopefully this will just be over soon (because they stop fighting, not because the world ends).</div>I wish it would, but again, this is a religious war and political matters are just adding fuel to the fire. War over border disputes and things of that nature are easy to handle because you can come up with an equitable treaty in which both sides can agree upon. However, in a religious war, it all hinges on faith and the parties involved (Israeal and Hezbollah/Hamas) are extremely commited to their religion, or in some cases, their perceived view of their religion
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What happens if an insect falls in a cup of coffee ?! The British: will throw the cup into the street and leave the coffee shop for good. The American: will get the insect out and drink the coffee. The Chinese: will eat the insect and drink the coffee. The Israeli will: (1) Sell the coffee to the American and the insect to the Chinese. (2) Cry on all media channels that he feels insecure. (3) Accuse the Palestinians, Hizb Allah, Syria and Iran of using germ-weapons. (4) Keep on crying about anti-Semitism and violations of human rights. (5) Ask the Palestinian President to stop planting insects in the cups of coffee. (6) Re-occupy the West Bank, Gaza Strip. (7) Demolish houses, confiscate lands, cut water and electricity from Palestinian houses and randomly shoot Palestinians. (8) Ask the United States for urgent military support and a loan of one million dollars in order to buy a new cup of coffee. (9) Ask the United Nations to punish the coffee-shop owner by making him offer free coffee to him till the end of the century. (10) Last but not least, accuse the whole world to be standing still, not even sympathizing with the Israeli Nation.</div>lol
 
im white, thats basically all we got in new zealand, though i was born in australia which is why i have a strong arrogant interpretation of thingsnever-the-less lookn at this situation it dosent benefit anyone, both sides are actin like heart-less bastards yet israel has the power to settle this and theyre not... fuckn peasantswhen you give power to people who arent stable they F*ck up... every jew i have met still resents thoes that brought pain on them, such as germans and iranians. actually its more like hatred then resentment which is not a good combination with all this power theyve accumulated (sp) .over the past 50 yearsjews have always been a problem in history and we are seeing direct evidence that history repeats.. unfortunatlywe say hitler was a prick... which he was. america as a country are pricks you only have to look at the internal politics of the late 19th and early 20th century and the colonialization of places such as the phillipenes (sp) to see that. so add thoes deaths there with every inocent arab that has been killed in the last 60 years by the by-product of and might i ad american responisibility that is israel and we have a tragedy. no wait an on-going tragedy worse than that of the holocaust where by-the-way the numbers of deaths are hotly debated, 6million is not concreteif you dont, you must read the material avalible, not bbc.com or the news but the accounts of historians and civilians, the 'factual' evidence. its not a matter of not being interested, this is our future and its getting F*cked by these cu*ts. this is an issue we as humanity have to be right on. swallow your pride and succumb to the truth - the spoilt brat of a country which a chip on its shoulder larger than the grand canyon that is israel needs its toys removed
 
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