OT The Official NFL 21/22 Thread

[BigGameDamian]

Go Seahawks!!

 

[BigGameDamian]

I see plenty of college football threads but not one NFL thread?

 

[santeesioux]

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Starting to look like the 49ers picked the wrong QB AGAIN!
Trey Lance looked very poor. Mac Jones? Well dude looks legit.

 

[Hoopguru]

Jones is really stepping up looking decent!

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Jones is really stepping up looking decent!

They just said 18 consecutive completions.
Make that 19.
He doesn’t get credit for the flea flicker right?

 

[Natebishop3]

Starting to look like the 49ers picked the wrong QB AGAIN!
Trey Lance looked very poor. Mac Jones? Well dude looks legit.

I didn’t get to watch but his stats seem pretty decent. A couple nice TDs. What would you expect from a rookie who was thrown into the game after an injury?

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I didn’t get to watch but his stats seem pretty decent. A couple nice TDs. What would you expect from a rookie who was thrown into the game after an injury?

I watched and he looked like he was completely out of his league at this point.
I would expect him to perform better than I watched.
Now I would not expect 19 consecutive completions.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Patriot fans are watching this and know exactly what is happening.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Wow! That FG attempt will be memorable.

 

[Natebishop3]

I watched and he looked like he was completely out of his league at this point.
I would expect him to perform better than I watched.
Now I would not expect 19 consecutive completions.

He threw two TDs and his RTG was higher than Wilson’s.

 

[tykendo]

Starting to look like the 49ers picked the wrong QB AGAIN!
Trey Lance looked very poor. Mac Jones? Well dude looks legit.

Relax, it's early. I hate the Forty Winers, but Lance has all kinds of upside. It's called development. Patience. Most Rookie QB's aren't ready like Justin Herbert was out of the gate. Mac Jones is a nice young man, but has a lower ceiling. Noodle arm QB's can only take you so far. Right now defenses are letting him have his dink & dunk. Soon defenses are going to force him make upper echelon throws. He lacks the arm strength to complete most of those. It's coming. Unless Mac Jones can improve arm strength.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

He threw two TDs and his RTG was higher than Wilson’s.

Again. In your own post you said you didn't watch the game. So now you gonna go all stats and say you think you know.
The kid looked absolutely lost out there. One TD worth 76 yards was a broken badly missed assignment by the Hawks and was actually a terrible pass that was way way under thrown. The second was a swing play that was run in.
Positive note- He got 41 yards rushing but on the negative he scrambled when he lost composure. Missed open receivers and tucked the ball.
Lets not get confused here. I'm a Niners fan but don't even start to think Lance was ready at all. His actual QBR was 39.4. No it was not higher than Wilsons who was 66.9. Your stats don't tell the story.
By the way when Lance got in, the game was tied. He lost the second half. IMO Jimmy should never have started the season. Trey Lance is the future and they should be finding out already if he is going to be the man.

As i said in my original post "It's starting to look like" because it was about Mac Jones absolutely showing he has the mettle to play in this league. The original statement was not about Trey Lance. It was about Mac Jones.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Relax, it's early. I hate the Forty Winers, but Lance has all kinds of upside. It's called development. Patience. Most Rookie QB's aren't ready like Justin Herbert was out of the gate. Mac Jones is a nice young man, but has a lower ceiling. Noodle arm QB's can only take you so far. Right now defenses are letting him have his dink & dunk. Soon defenses are going to force him make upper echelon throws. He lacks the arm strength to complete most of those. It's coming. Unless Mac Jones can improve arm strength.

Noodle Arm? .32 release comparable to Tom Brady and you are calling him a noodle arm? That kid is gonna make you look foolish for that statement.

 

[Natebishop3]

Again. In your own post you said you didn't watch the game. So now you gonna go all stats and say you think you know.
The kid looked absolutely lost out there. One TD worth 76 yards was a broken badly missed assignment by the Hawks and was actually a terrible pass that was way way under thrown. The second was a swing play that was run in.
Positive note- He got 41 yards rushing but on the negative he scrambled when he lost composure. Missed open receivers and tucked the ball.
Lets not get confused here. I'm a Niners fan but don't even start to think Lance was ready at all. His actual QBR was 39.4. No it was not higher than Wilsons who was 66.9. Your stats don't tell the story.
By the way when Lance got in, the game was tied. He lost the second half. IMO Jimmy should never have started the season. Trey Lance is the future and they should be finding out already if he is going to be the man.

As i said in my original post "It's starting to look like" because it was about Mac Jones absolutely showing he has the mettle to play in this league. The original statement was not about Trey Lance. It was about Mac Jones.

QBR and RTG are two different stats.

 

[tykendo]

Noodle Arm? .32 release comparable to Tom Brady and you are calling him a noodle arm? That kid is gonna make you look foolish for that statement.

Naw, don't think so. QB's are my thing Bro. He has a noodle arm. And many experts agree. Nick Wright this morning on Herd was saying the same thing. Release is great, but he lacks the velocity to be special. CB's & Safeties are too smart to keep allowing the dink & dunk to be effective all game. Jones is terrible on 20 yds. or deeper.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

He threw two TDs and his RTG was higher than Wilson’s.

Yeah, overreact much? If Lance had been taking more of the first team reps in camp, prepping every week in the game plan as the guy, you’d expect more. Kid is 21 and played one game in two years.

I think Mac will be a solid QB but I like Lance’s ceiling better. Fields is the one to me that I can’t figure out where he’ll end up. People had been freaking out about Zach Wilson - he looked pretty solid yesterday.

 

[tykendo]

Noodle Arm? .32 release comparable to Tom Brady and you are calling him a noodle arm? That kid is gonna make you look foolish for that statement.

And another thing. Release has more to do with reading the defense, and making a decision to go where you think the defense won't be. He makes quality quick decisions to check down and be safe. That leads to getting the ball out faster. But the greats, Mahomes, Rodgers, & Brady to name a few, can make those reads and deliver the ball deep with quick release. They have the arms to do that, Jones doesn't.

 

[Haakzilla]

LOL @ Urban Meyer I guess he really does prefer college!

 

[Fairly-Hard]

QBR and RTG are two different stats.

Nobody said they weren't

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Naw, don't think so. QB's are my thing Bro. He has a noodle arm. And many experts agree. Nick Wright this morning on Herd was saying the same thing. Release is great, but he lacks the velocity to be special. CB's & Safeties are too smart to keep allowing the dink & dunk to be effective all game. Jones is terrible on 20 yds. or deeper.

Not going to say you are wrong but I'm also not so sure he won't get better in that area. Doesn't need to be though. A number of the greatest QB's ever were not great over 40 yards.

 

[Natebishop3]

Nobody said they weren't

Apparently you did, because I said that Lance had a higher RTG than Wilson, while you quoted back the QBR.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Apparently you did, because I said that Lance had a higher RTG than Wilson, while you quoted back the QBR.

Look I'm not trying to be snarky. I watched the game and was absolutely not impressed with Trey Lance AT ALL.
Hopefully the guy can get it together and be a good QB. His ratings do not tell the story. He lucked into 76 yards and a TD pass and he got a few yards when he missed obvious check down plays.
Bigger issue- I don't have any faith in Jimmy G either.
I also watched the game last night and watched a very intelligent rookie QB pick the Bucks apart. Does he have issues also? Obviously he does but they are not holding him back the way Lance's problems are. The thing is Jones has always been considered a rookie that would be more ready the first day. Trey Lance has a bunch of work to do.

If you want to get into a whats the difference between Passer Ratings and Quarterback ratings i'm game. Believe me when i tell you I'm well versed on the differences. I quoted back the QBR because the RTG was extremely faulty in that game. Of you can't see that (Oh yeah.... "You didn't watch the game?" ) maybe you should pay better attention.
Again Not trying to be Snarky.

 

[Natebishop3]

If you want to get into a whats the difference between Passer Ratings and Quarterback ratings i'm game. Believe me when i tell you I'm well versed on the differences. I quoted back the QBR because the RTG was extremely faulty in that game. Of you can't see that (Oh yeah.... "You didn't watch the game?" ) maybe you should pay better attention.
Again Not trying to be Snarky.

I don't want to get into the difference. I don't care about the difference. I didn't bring up QBR. I was merely pointing out that he had two TDs and a higher RTG than Wilson. I thought that was interesting.

 

[MickZagger]

Herbert looks like a top 5 QB already.

So many naysayers when he was coming into the league.

 

[Natebishop3]

Herbert looks like a top 5 QB already.

So many naysayers when he was coming into the league.

I don't think Mario did him any favors.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't think Mario did him any favors.

biggest issue was that Helfrich and Taggart did a shitty job of recruiting WR's and TE's. Herbert had almost no reliable targets

also, in Herbert's junior and senior seasons, the Ducks led the nation in dropped passes

also, part 2: after Taggart bolted to FSU, 5 different 4 star receivers decommitted from the Ducks and two 3 star receivers did too, including Teagan Quitoriano, the Beavers starting TE. That was a giant void that left Herbert few options

 

[MickZagger]

I don't think Mario did him any favors.

it was arroyo. He was such a shitty o coordinator. Morehead would’ve made him a Heisman winner.

 

[wizenheimer]

something else about Herbert: he had 3 different head coaches, 3 different OC's, and 3 different offensive systems his first 3 season as the Starter. He missed half of his first two seasons, yet he still passed for over 10,500 yards and 95 TD's

compare his numbers to Mariota:

Herbert:



Mariota:



notice how Herbert only had 2 more games than Mariota. Herbert had the disadvantage of playing on a 4-8 team his true freshman season. Mariota red-shirted he freshman season and watched & learned the offense....which remained the same for his 3 years as starter

I mentioned it before...in 2018, Duck receivers dropped 52 passes