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Herbert is gonna lead them to the win now :biglaugh:

And i'm not bullshitting. You can thank me for calling him out.
 
What a crazy fucking day of football in the first ever week 18.
 
I love a tie here. Bye bye big Ben, you piece of garbage.
 
Yeah, that time out was dumb. After that the raiders deserved a chance to win the game
 
blazerkor said:
That time out was one of the most boneheaded things I've ever seen from a coach.
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He was interviewed earlier this week and said there would be absolutely no playing for a tie. I guess he stuck by his word.
 
Titan said:
Yeah, that time out was dumb. After that the raiders deserved a chance to win the game
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Let's really think the last two plays of this game through before we say the timeout cost the Chargers the game:

Scenario 1: Chargers don't call timeout
  • The Raiders run it
  • The Raiders milk the clock to 0:02
  • The Raiders kick a FG
Scenario 2: Chargers do call timeout
  • Same as scenario 1 OR
  • Chargers stop the Raiders from getting 4 yards, call another timeout, and now the Raiders are in a position they might have to punt.
Basically the timeout allowed a scenario where the Raiders might not be able to try and win it. Their coach made some questionable plays, but the timeout was actually logical.
 
Tince said:
Let's really think the last two plays of this game through before we say the timeout cost the Chargers the game:

Scenario 1: Chargers don't call timeout
  • The Raiders run it
  • The Raiders milk the clock to 0:02
  • The Raiders kick a FG
Scenario 2: Chargers do call timeout
  • Same as scenario 1 OR
  • Chargers stop the Raiders from getting 4 yards, call another timeout, and now the Raiders are in a position they might have to punt.
Basically the timeout allowed a scenario where the Raiders might not be able to try and win it. Their coach made some questionable plays, but the timeout was actually logical.
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Carr mentioned it changed the situation, so a tie game could have happened. So there was more than 2 options.
 
Titan said:
Carr mentioned it changed the situation, so a tie game could have happened. So there was more than 2 options.
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Carr also said ""We knew no matter what, we didn't want a tie."... He was talking out of both sides.

A tie could've happened after the timeout. Techincally a Raiders win, Chargers win, and tie were all on the table until it was 0:00.
 
Herbert has one or two more years with chances to have as stacked of teams he could hope for. Once he gets paid 50 million+ a year. His team will be hurting in many other spots.
 
Tince said:
Carr also said ""We knew no matter what, we didn't want a tie."... He was talking out of both sides.

A tie could've happened after the timeout. Techincally a Raiders win, Chargers win, and tie were all on the table until it was 0:00.
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Correct, but to add more to the conundrum, the raiders head coach was saying his sideline was discussing a tie, but the timeout made him want to see what his team could do and they got a decent play after so he was fully on the win plan after that. Before he was more content on a tie though probably at a small %, but after that run he was all in on the win train. Which I agree on going for the win.
 
Titan said:
Correct, but to add more to the conundrum, the raiders head coach was saying his sideline was discussing a tie, but the timeout made him want to see what his team could do and they got a decent play after so he was fully on the win plan after that. Before he was more content on a tie though probably at a small %, but after that run he was all in on the win train. Which I agree on going for the win.
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Yeah that's interesting. I'm not sure he wasn't playing for the tie after the timeout either. They did a fairly basic run play, which I'm guessing they were doing before, but the result prevented the Chargers from calling a timeout and putting the Raiders in a tough spot.

It's tough to take what any player/coach says after the fact because their story is going to be told in order to make them look as good as possible.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Herbert has one or two more years with chances to have as stacked of teams he could hope for. Once he gets paid 50 million+ a year. His team will be hurting in many other spots.
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Probably unlikely, but Herbert might be one of the few NFL players who is willing to take less money in his prime for a better chance to win. He stayed at Oregon an extra year when he was already a top 5-10 pick. The guy isn't motivated the same way a lot of other NFL QBs are.
 
Tince said:
Probably unlikely, but Herbert might be one of the few NFL players who is willing to take less money in his prime for a better chance to win. He stayed at Oregon an extra year when he was already a top 5-10 pick. The guy isn't motivated the same way a lot of other NFL QBs are.
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He's going to take all the money he can.
 
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