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Union exec Mo Evans just left for the day. Said meetings are "going pretty good."



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Evans was rushing to catch a flight. Was unsure if there would be a meeting tomorrow.



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Great stuff John.

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On a basketball related note, I wonder what the owners are bringing to the table....and why? Could this be Sterns way of throwing Hunter a bone?
 
NBA lockout update: Sides have been meeting for 6 1/2 hours, making it the longest session since the lockout began. Talks ongoing ...


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Broussard....

NBA players & owners started meeting today at 10a.m. Still meeting now. Nearly 8 hrs of meetings.



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BergCBS.......

Spurs' Matt Bonner tells @Monroe_SA there may have been some progress. But you "have to remember how large the gaps were to begin with."


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With seemingly minimal progress made at today's labor negotiations, expect remainder of the preseason to be cancelled


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KBergCBS.......

Union lawyer Jeffrey Kessler: No discussion of BRI today, just system. Back at it Monday in small groups.


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Fisher: "still huge gaps."



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Hunter: "They put some concepts up. We put some concepts up. And we're still miles apart."


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Stern: "We're not near anything. But wherever that is, we're closer than we were before."



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"[David Stern] was pointing a [Dwyane] Wade and stuck his finger in his chest. He was saying that the owners [have to have a hard salary cap] because of the team Dwyane put together in Miami."
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-Mediatakeout.com

Fucking right on!

(if true)
 
This whole thing feels like it's about ready to crash-land into the side of a mountain.
 
Mediocre Man said:
This will be a non story by next week I think. I think significant strides will be made over the weekend. Just a gut feeling
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You keep confidently saying that the players will cave in and you keep being wrong. Just because you will something doesn't make it so.

I predict the owners will cave in, but not soon. Just because I will something makes it so.
 
What if the new CBA calls for a 5% reduction in all player salaries, but a player just quits the union and refuses to sign the new agreement? Is he still under contract? Do they have to pay him 100%? Can anyone play if he's not in the union?

How about a player whose playing days are over but he's still being paid? Like deferred payments which some get over the years. Or like Brandon Roy. Do they get 5% reductions too?
 
The NBA will sign it's contract with he NBAPA. If a player is not a member of the union, he is not an NBA player period
 
jlprk said:
You keep confidently saying that the players will cave in and you keep being wrong. Just because you will something doesn't make it so.

I predict the owners will cave in, but not soon. Just because I will something makes it so.
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How am I wrong? The players will cave well before the owners. The owners have no reason to cave.
 
Unless they're lying that they're losing money. What's to stop an owner from hiring a player not in the union? Has the owner signed a contract with the League, who has signed a contract with the union, to not hire anyone unless they join the union?

And you didn't answer about someone who won't be playing anymore: 1) deferred payments, or 2) under contract for next season but who has no incentive to accept a 5% reduction since his playing days are over (e.g. Brandon Roy).
 
jlprk said:
Unless they're lying that they're losing money. What's to stop an owner from hiring a player not in the union? Has the owner signed a contract with the League, who has signed a contract with the union, to not hire anyone unless they join the union?

And you didn't answer about someone who won't be playing anymore: 1) deferred payments, or 2) under contract for next season but who has no incentive to accept a 5% reduction since his playing days are over (e.g. Brandon Roy).
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I know as a former member of the teamsters, If you work at say Kroger or Safeway in the warehouse, you have to be in a union because Safeway has a contract with them. So the contract itself is stopping the owners from hiring non union employees.

As for the second part, I'm not really sure? I would assume it's the same as other unions though. I would think in order to get retirement benefits and such through the union, you would need to be in said union. If they rejected the contract their union signed, they would lose their pension and medical benefits. I would assume anyway?
 
jlprk said:
You keep confidently saying that the players will cave in and you keep being wrong. Just because you will something doesn't make it so.

I predict the owners will cave in, but not soon. Just because I will something makes it so.
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I'm with MM on this, players IMO will cave way before owners and i fully believe owners are willing to lose the season while players may say they are but most IMO really aren't. But unfortunately it will probably take the players a few months of lost season to realize owners are serious.
 
..........Sounds like NBA labor talks have broken up for day. Meetings lasted about five hours, say reports out of NY.
 
KBergCBS..........

Stern and Silver say today's meeting was to "set the table for tomorrow's meeting."
 
About 10 owners and multiple players expected for tomorrow's meeting. Paul Pierce joined Derek Fisher today in room.
 
Stern on BRI: "We're apart on the split. But we know that the answer lies somewhere between where they were and where we are."
 
Stern: "I think if there's a will we'll be able to deal with both the split and with the system issues."
 
RealGM......

Players, Owners To Meet Separately Tuesday Morning, Followed By Bargaining Meeting At Noon EST
 
Stern: "Each side has reserved its right to be where it is, knowing that there is a heart-to-heart that will ultimately take place."
 
NBA commish David Stern tells reporters in NY that "it would be great to make some real progress (Tuesday)." Read: None made Monday.
 
sheridanhoops.........

Awaiting union officials. Stern had a poker face but acknowledged it is time to make a better financial offer. He expects reciprocity.
 
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