The Official S2 NBA Lockout Thread! (2 Viewers)

[SnakeOiler]

These guys are all retards. Taking a stand and listening to shitty effing lawyers never got anyone anywhere. I blame this all on lawyers. Lawyers suck ass. They ruined the game. Started with the shitty cheating refs and now this. The NBA can fuck themselves.

 

[PapaG]

The NBA has owners losing a lot of money, including Paul Allen, on their teams.

The players have zero leverage, and apparently there was some game that LeBron James organized over the weekend that nobody wanted to televise and barely got a blurb in the papers or the media.

I guess I don't see the problem witha a 50-50 split in revenues. As some players have shown, there are overseas opportunities to make money, so they are free to go there to play, or even to start their own league. There are more professional opportunities for NBA players than there are for NFL players. I think that players signing contracts overseas only weakens the players' case. Those who have done so are SCABS, IMO.

 

[Further]

Man the NBA is making it so easy for me to stop caring about its product. Stupidity and greed all around.

Yep. I agree. Basketball is supposed to be a thing of joy and passion, but it seems like everyone from players to owners have boiled it down to dollars and cents. I understand their point of view, but if they act as if it's all business then they should expect the "fans" to also realize it's just business, ,turn away from the game and look for joy and passion elsewhere.

 

[THE HCP]

They just said kobe lost $1,000,000! I can tell you that the amount I just lost will be missed more then his!!!!

 

[Mote]

Man the NBA is making it so easy for me to stop caring about its product. Stupidity and greed all around.

Succinctly put and well said. I was already to the point of being disappointed in the NBA product and this dispute in our current economic environment is about to push me beyond the point of caring at all.

 

[barfo]

I think that players signing contracts overseas only weakens the players' case. Those who have done so are SCABS, IMO.

Uh, major fail on both the definition of scab and the economics of the situation.

barfo (yes, I am a former union member, thanks for asking)

 

[maxiep]

I'm really having trouble seeing a season at all. If the union continues their unrealistic stance, the owners' best move is just to forget the season. Take off an entire season and the players will play for nothing in 2012-13.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Be honest: You want to play but you want your cut too. And that's why those ticket takers and security guards and parking garage attendants won't have work for a couple weeks at least. Don't act like there's not blood on your hands too. It's insulting.

Forget trying to gain sympathy from fans. We're not dumb. We know why the league canceled games. We know why you're not allowed to play. Billionaires and millionaires couldn't agree about money. And we feel so sorry for you about that.

This blogger nailed it​

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

"Looks like a season [will be lost]," the Knicks' guard wrote and later explained. "How u."

Not good, Roger. Not good at all.

"This canceling games [expletive] is not going to scare the players like it did in '98," the agent said. "We'll get a deal done. ... Stern can't beat these dudes."

But no amount of star power can put the players in the driver's seat in negotiations, and therein lies the rub. In the absence of any evidence that the owners care about losing the season or the fans who might go with it, there's no reason to think this plan the owners hatched so long ago is going to change.

The players are standing on principle now, but they may be standing over the grave of the 2011-12 campaign before long.

How u?

LINK​

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SteveNash Steve Nash by aldridge_12
The NBA has experienced over 60 yrs of growth with new growth projected using the current model.


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After a banner year the players are still willing to GIVE the owners a higher percentage in good faith.


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Why are the owners unwilling to negotiate in good faith? As a player I apologize to the fans that we're in this position


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but we will not be taken advantage of. In our hearts we're desperate to play, in our minds we know better and are prepared to #standunited.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Fisher says owners' proposal of punitive luxury tax is "still as close as you can get, if not a hard cap."

This part is true. The owners saying they gave in on the hard cap but want the teams to pay $4-1 on anything over, is a "HARD CAP". Because it won't happen. Which is fine, but lets call it what it is.

 

[Mediocre Man]

They are calling it what it is. It's not a hard cap. The owners also suggested a sliding tax scale, which to me makes the most sense

 

[Pinwheel1]

They are calling it what it is. It's not a hard cap. The owners also suggested a sliding tax scale, which to me makes the most sense

OK then they should not say they "gave in" on that issue, because a $40 million dollar penalty on adding a 10 million dollar contract over the salary cap is not reallly giving in on the isse. It is just rewording it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Malcolm Gladwell:

And let's not forget Mikhail Prokhorov. How does he feel about buying into the financial sinkhole that is professional basketball? The blog NetsDaily4 recently dug up the following quotation from a 2010 interview Prokhorov did with the Russian business newspaper Vedomosti:

"We have a team, we're building the arena, we've hired professional management, we have the option to buy into another large project, the building of an office center. For me, this is a project with explosive profit potential. The capitalization of the team will be $700 million after we move to Brooklyn. It will earn approximately 30 [million]. And the arena will be worth around $1 billion."

Let us recap. At the very moment the commissioner of the NBA is holding up the New Jersey Nets as a case study of basketball's impoverishment, the former owner of the team is crowing about 10 percent returns and the new owner is boasting of "explosive" profits. After the end of last season, one imagines that David Stern gathered together the league's membership for a crash course on lockout etiquette: stash the yacht in St. Bart's until things blow over, dress off the rack, insist on the '93 and '94 Cháteau Lafite Rothschilds, not the earlier, flashier, vintages. For rich white men to plead poverty, a certain self-discipline is necessary. Good idea, except next time he should remember to invite the Nets.

We have moved from a country of relative economic equality to a place where the gap between rich and poor is exceeded by only Singapore and Hong Kong. The rich have gone from being grateful for what they have to pushing for everything they can get. They have mastered the arts of whining and predation, without regard to logic or shame. In the end, this is the lesson of the NBA lockout. A man buys a basketball team as insurance on a real estate project, flips the franchise to a Russian billionaire when he wins the deal, and then — as both parties happily count their winnings — what lesson are we asked to draw? The players are greedy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

OK then they should not say they "gave in" on that issue, because a $40 million dollar penalty on adding a 10 million dollar contract over the salary cap is not reallly giving in on the isse. It is just rewording it.

Teams are welcome to spend what they want. That doesn;t sound like a hard cap to me

 

[huevonkiller]

Malcolm Gladwell:

Eh pretty stupid to attack Hong Kong and Singapore, he loses credibility there. It is foolish to criticize foreign investment.

Also China has some nice income distribution if you're ever interested.

 

[huevonkiller]

SteveNash Steve Nash by aldridge_12
The NBA has experienced over 60 yrs of growth with new growth projected using the current model.


SteveNash Steve Nash by aldridge_12
After a banner year the players are still willing to GIVE the owners a higher percentage in good faith.


SteveNash Steve Nash by aldridge_12
Why are the owners unwilling to negotiate in good faith? As a player I apologize to the fans that we're in this position


SteveNash Steve Nash by aldridge_12
but we will not be taken advantage of. In our hearts we're desperate to play, in our minds we know better and are prepared to #standunited.

Stevey is Canadian, he doesn't get our current fiscal crisis.

But yeah I am confused as to why the Players think they deserve 53% of BRI. The only people that are underpaid in the NBA are Superstars, everyone else is greedy.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Eh pretty stupid to attack Hong Kong and Singapore, he loses credibility there. It is foolish to criticize foreign investment.

Huh?

Also China has some nice income distribution if you're ever interested.

Do you have a point?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

But yeah I am confused as to why the Players think they deserve 53% of BRI. The only people that are underpaid in the NBA are Superstars, everyone else is greedy.

Nobody "deserves" it. Least of all the owners.

 

[huevonkiller]

Huh?



Do you have a point?

Wow buddy read your own article. If you don't know what Singapore has gone through you're clueless.

Bitching about income distribution is stupid, sorry.

 

[huevonkiller]

Nobody "deserves" it. Least of all the owners.

Care to answer the question?

 

[huevonkiller]

Duh!

The players are fucked.

About time too.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Gladwell gives this quote from Cleveland Owner Dan Gilbert, pre-lockout:

"To me, NBA franchises are like pieces of art. There are only 30 of them. They aren't always on the market, especially a franchise that would have been such a natural fit. … If you just looked at the Cavaliers in terms of revenues, profits and balance sheets — and you paid this amount for it — people would say 'You're insane! You're nuts.' But if you look at all the tentacles, the impact on our other venues, it makes tremendous sense. We have now opened a Cleveland office [of Quicken Loans] and that's tremendously successful. Our employees love it that we're associated with the Cavs and can come to games — that helps us attract and keep better people. There are a lot of nonprofit things that can be done with pro sports. It brings an unbelievable amount of excitement."

Remember, Gilbert is one of the hardest of the hardliners. Maybe because he doesn't really care much for Basketball.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Wow buddy read your own article.

If you mean Gladwell's, I have. It's you that doesn't have a point, not him.

Bitching about income distribution is stupid, sorry.

Ah, THAT'S your point. I guess we have to differ on that one.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Care to answer the question?

You didn't ask one. You asserted that you didn't understand why the players thought they deserved it. I can see why you wouldn't understand that, given your following comments.

 

[ABM]

Gilbert.......doesn't really care much for Basketball.

What makes you say that?

 

[huevonkiller]

If you mean Gladwell's, I have. It's you that doesn't have a point, not him.



Ah, THAT'S your point. I guess we have to differ on that one.

I said your guy has no credibility and he is a socialist bitch, to put it in layman's terms. You apparently don't understand what foreign investment means.

"Eh pretty stupid to attack Hong Kong and Singapore, he loses credibility there. It is foolish to criticize foreign investment. "

 

[huevonkiller]

You didn't ask one. You asserted that you didn't understand why the players thought they deserved it. I can see why you wouldn't understand that, given your following comments.

No I specifically mentioned 53% of BRI, you simply chose to ignore that.

Keep making fun of Singapore you are going to feel like an idiot if you don't drop the subject.

 

[illmatic99]

LA seems to want to get on a team, and is asking Nic to get him on a team in France.

I would absolutely love it if Nic and LA both played on the same team. Develop some more chemistry and dominate.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Keep making fun of Singapore

Are you acting insane because you think it's funny?

(Funny like SINGAPORE!!!! Bwahahahah!!!)