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If players are allowed to play overseas, are owners allowed to hire non-union players to play basketball for thier league?
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
If players are allowed to play overseas, are owners allowed to hire non-union players to play basketball for thier league?
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I believe they are. Just like the scab NFL players from back in the day.
 
if there are scab players, hcp will make a mint editing up highlight reels!
 
I'll make a mint PLAYING! I'd be a scab motherfucker!
 
NBA Lays Off 114 Employees In Two Days
Jul 14, 2011 6:28 PM EDT


More than 100 N.B.A. employees were laid off this week, underlining the league’s sense of economic distress as the owners and players haggle over a new labor agreement.

All told, 114 positions — 11 percent of the league’s work force — were eliminated, primarily in New York and New Jersey, from nearly every division, including marketing, community relations, player programs, broadcasting and information technology. Most employees received the news Wednesday and Thursday.

The layoffs came exactly two weeks after the N.B.A. locked out its players and froze operations. League officials said the two events were unrelated, although they are clearly intertwined, with the N.B.A. saying it has annual losses of $300 million and searching for cost savings.

Via Howard Beck/New York Times


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214735/NBA_Lays_Off_114_Employees_In_Two_Days#ixzz1S7oitVBp
 
League, Union To Resume CBA Talks Friday
Jul 15, 2011 10:06 AM EDT


Mid-level staff members from the players’ association and league office are meeting Friday to discuss various housekeeping issues, and to possibly set a date for the next official labor negotiating session between the two sides, sources close to the discussions told SI.com.

This would appear to be the first formal contact between the two sides since the league locked out the players two weeks ago when the last collective bargaining agreement expired. The NBA and the union remain far apart on several core issues, including how to split up the league’s revenue among the teams and players, and how to define what goes into that revenue pool to begin with. The union has also questioned the accuracy of the league’s claim that teams collectively lose hundreds of millions of dollars each year.

One purpose of Friday’s meeting is to confirm the basketball-related income total from the 2010-11 season, sources said.

Via Zach Lowe/SI.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214738/League_Union_To_Resume_CBA_Talks_Friday#ixzz1SEjDEFDn
 
The replacement player thing doesn't hold weight. No one wants to see a team of 4 or 5 Derek Fishers.

The owners will have problems. Superstar players that run the league can get a decent payday overseas. That should put some pressure on them.
 
They would have try-outs like The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh!
 
Love the tryout scene!

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This is what sickens me over the lockout.
Basketball-related income increased from $3.643 billion in 2009-10 to $3.817 billion. Total player compensation increased from $2.076 billion to $2.176 billion.

The increase was 1 percent the previous year and 2.5 percent two years ago.

The average player salary this past season was $5.15 million. Over the six years of the expired CBA, the average salary increased by 16 percent.
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Source: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6794587/nba-lockout-2011-league-basketball-income-compensation-up

This grosses me out. The players are making bank and the owners are still getting screwed. The NBA should be revenue shared amongst the owners and teams. The players are getting so much revenue after this latest espn story. The players union is pissing me off so far over the owners. Not to mention all the arena employee layoffs if the NBA lockout continues.
 
Player salaries = 57% times basketball-related income.
Owners' share = 43% times basketball-related income.

Therefore, if players got 1% more than players got the previous year, then owners also got 1% more than owners got the previous year.
Nate Dogg said:
Basketball-related income increased from $3.643 billion in 2009-10 to $3.817 billion. Total player compensation increased from $2.076 billion to $2.176 billion.

The increase was 1 percent the previous year and 2.5 percent two years ago.

The average player salary this past season was $5.15 million. Over the six years of the expired CBA, the average salary increased by 16 percent.
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That just says that the shares of both players and owners increased (from the previous season) 2.5% 2 seasons ago and 1% last season. The increase for both owners and players totalled 16% during 6 years.

NBC reported that quote from the League Office and added,
Nice spin by the league, but as we said, how much the players earned was tied directly to how much the league made, so if player salaries went up….
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/22/final-nba-revenue-numbers-in-from-last-season/
 
Yeah nice spin, the owners just want as much leverage as possible.

I want the majority of teams to be profitable though.
 
just because revenue went up does not mean they made any money, pretty basic

if i am selling burritos with hcp and we charge 2 bucks for a burrito, but it costs 2.01 to make them....it would be better to not sell them at all
 
The two sides still seem so far off on a resolution. This sucks!
 
3RA1N1AC said:
just because revenue went up does not mean they made any money, pretty basic

if i am selling burritos with hcp and we charge 2 bucks for a burrito, but it costs 2.01 to make them....it would be better to not sell them at all
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The salary cap went up this past year, but yeah we can't have 20+ teams struggling to stay afloat. Owners need more revenue, but this is also the best league in the world. Some of their demands seem overzealous.

However Owners have other businesses that make them profitable. I would assume most of them are just fine without their NBA teams (compared to the players), and also became owners for their love of basketball. Not including Sterling and other shady owners though.
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
just because revenue went up does not mean they made any money, pretty basic

if i am selling burritos with hcp and we charge 2 bucks for a burrito, but it costs 2.01 to make them....it would be better to not sell them at all
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That's just not true. Your burritos bring happiness to all that eat them, and without a doubt some wealthy person, perhaps me, will die and leave his fortune to your burrito business. You must nevertheless keep selling those burritos, because even without financial rewards, they are a valuable and important public service.

barfo
 
Owners make lots of money from their teams that isn't included in Basketball-Related Income (BRI, the number that gets split 57-43).

For example, luxury seats are a big percentage of profits, but only 60% of luxury seat revenue is included in BRI (and then split 57-43). The other 40% is free and clear to the owners.

If owners were truly losing money, things wouldn't be run on a Cadillac basis. There are many ways to cut costs, such as staying at 4-star hotels, not 5-star. Their behavior belies their words.
 
Owners make lots of money from their teams that isn't included in Basketball-Related Income (BRI, the number that gets split 57-43).

For example, luxury seats are a big percentage of profits, but only 60% of luxury seat revenue is included in BRI (and then split 57-43). The other 40% is free and clear to the owners.

If owners were truly losing money, things wouldn't be run on a Cadillac basis. There are many ways to cut costs, such as staying at 4-star hotels, not 5-star. Their behavior belies their words.
 
Well, this thing about telling me I'm not logged in, so I have to log in again and re-post, finally produced a double entry. I'm surprised it took this long. Gotta go. If I don't click fast, it'll say I'm not logged in.
 
That whole tape is just pre-game stuff.

In that Philippines game, players were paid well, while yesterday in Seattle, they worked for free.

Yet we keep hearing that foreign teams can't afford what the NBA can.
 
The players being guaranteed an exact % of BRI in many areas hampers the leagues ability to invest in projects that increase revenue. For example, say the owners can start a project that pays $90 million in China advertising, which is the only direct cost, and it will generate $160 million in additional revenue. Sounds like a great investment right? It should bring a profit of $70 million.

The problem is the players get $91 million of that revenue (57%) so the project ends up with $181 million of total expenses and would cost the owners $21 million. As a result the owners never embark on the project and both sides receive $0, even though it would be a clearly profitable project.
 
Yeah I see the problem now.

I'll be honest I only think Superstars deserve money, let the rest get whatever.
 
huevonkiller said:
The replacement player thing doesn't hold weight. No one wants to see a team of 4 or 5 Derek Fishers.

The owners will have problems. Superstar players that run the league can get a decent payday overseas. That should put some pressure on them.
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True, the first few years will be difficult, but eventually players coming from college or overseas will start to bring stardom back to the league. If they start from scratch again they can maybe do a better job- open the game up by getting rid of zones, widen the key, train refs better/or have some sort of instant replay... lower salaries, lower ticket prices... not a bad idea, really. They can continue the lockout until the NBA players locked out come to their senses and if it never happens, they have a new league and eventually it will take off. If the players come around and accept a new CBA that will keep them millionaires, then the players in the new league will be free agents and be incorporated into the NBA.
 
There won't be a lockout imo, don't worry. At least not through the whole season.

For the most part people don't want to watch mediocrity. Look at the other 20+ boring teams in the league right now that are struggling.

The NBA's ratings are poor when the wrong teams are in the Finals. Even the Lakers need a good opponent or people won't watch. People want to see superstars succeed or fail, no one cares if Chauncey Billups wins 0 or 7 championships.
 
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