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Stern "surprised" by players not being interested in 50-50 BRI. "We thought it made a lot of sense. Maybe too much," Stern said.
 
Adam Silver says he believes they could have found a common ground. Wishes they would have kept talking this week.
 
Stern has a sheet of paper in front of him with all the concessions the owners were willing to make.
 
Stern also says league abandoned salary rollbacks on existing contracts over the weekend.
 
Owners are willing to do 50/50 split. Stern made that clear. Players are at 53 pct. Monday is the deadline to save the start of the season.
 
ChrisMannixSI.......


Analysis: Owners came out looking pretty good. Made a lot of concessions, came up to 50-50.
 
HCP said:
sam_amick: This "new BRI" concept has been floating for a while - where 52% is really 48 but Hunter lets it slide b/c it helps him survive. Or not...
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HCP said:
Silver said he, Stern, Holt and Hunter/Fisher tried to strike this deal in small group of 50-50 based on old BRI formula.
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So when the owners offer 50% using the old definition of BRI, players know the owner offer is really 4 points less (52 minus 48), that is, 46%, if they use the new definition?

Most of the media don't understand such accounting tricks but apparently some players do. It sounds like Hunter and Fisher are co-opting the dumber half of the players. I'll look for today's Sam Amick article, hoping he talks about it.
 
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good looking out by this guy!

deandrejordan.........

I also want to say sorry to all the people who work in the arenas that don't have any means of income right now...
 
If most of the NBA owners are losing money, it's in their best interest to cancel games until a more advantageous (to them) deal takes place, correct? No players are currently being paid, right? I wasn't sure.
 
The owners gave in to things I was hoping they would give in to. Even the 50/50 number is what some media members thought it would end up as. The players got a lot. No hard cap plus guaranteed contracts. This should have worked.

I guess they can come back with an extra 1 % to make the players look like winners. Right now the owners are looking better. Players need to be carefull. Stern played it pretty well.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
The owners gave in to things I was hoping they would give in to. Even the 50/50 number is what some media members thought it would end up as. The players got a lot. No hard cap plus guaranteed contracts. This should have worked.

I guess they can come back with an extra 1 % to make the players look like winners. Right now the owners are looking better. Players need to be carefull. Stern played it pretty well.
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Nothing was "played well," the owners were never negotiating in good faith, the players unrealistically think they can keep things the way they were and the season could very easily end up lost. This is nothing but a lose-lose-lose (fans, owners, players) because I believe the league's popularity is going to be damaged enough by this stupid charade that the sacred BRI they keep arguing over is probably going to shrink by 25 to 50% when they finally do get back to playing games.

Screw all of these inflexible, fuckwits.
 
In every article, the writer should define the new BRI vs. the old one. He should say that today's offer of X% in the old BRI is equivalent to Y% in the new BRI. It's just like translating between 2 languages. For every possible concession, the writer should tell the cost or benefit to each side in hard dollars instead of words.

The articles suck because the writers are nincompoops.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Nothing was "played well," the owners were never negotiating in good faith, the players unrealistically think they can keep things the way they were and the season could very easily end up lost. This is nothing but a lose-lose-lose (fans, owners, players) because I believe the league's popularity is going to be damaged enough by this stupid charade that the sacred BRI they keep arguing over is probably going to shrink by 25 to 50% when they finally do get back to playing games.

Screw all of these inflexible, fuckwits.
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I am just talking about today. And I think they gained some momentum in the public opinion battle. Which in the long run is good for motivating the players to make a deal.

It goes without saying that they have all had their heads up their asses the rest of the summer.
 
Amareisreal.......

Met with the NBA owners today, made no progress. We as players are a lot smarter then they think. We are prepared to boycott.
 
ChrisMannixSI............


Talked to several union sources, who confirm most of @KBergCBS report. Sources livid that Stern would put that informal offer out like that.
 
Sources say that it was an owner who said that it could be as long as a month before the two sides meet again.
 
Union, according to sources, open to further meetings, even this week.
 
Mannix........

On union side, sources say, lawyer Jeff Kessler, Fisher, Garnett and Kobe heard Stern/Silver pitch.
 
Mannix......


One NBA starter not at meeting told SI that Stern, agents won't break the union. "95 percent of guys will follow union no matter what."
 
WojYahooNBA..........

Why's Stern waiting 'til Monday to cancel regular season games? He's pushing union to meet in next few days to hammer out deal, source says.
 
WojYahooNBA...........


Front office and assistant coaches desperate for deal too: Many have pay slashed 50 percent-plus - some even 75 percent -- during lockout.
 
RealGM........

Source: David Stern Pushing Union For Meeting Before Monday -- tinyurl.com/6y33dtg
 
So much different stuff being thrown out there its making me dizzy.
 
New BRI vs old BRI, it isn't going to matter a lot to fans and the public perception. 50/50 while giving up a hard cap and the other items they did looks good to the fans. This makes the players look even more greedy than they already do.
 
Mediocre Man said:
New BRI vs old BRI, it isn't going to matter a lot to fans and the public perception. 50/50 while giving up a hard cap and the other items they did looks good to the fans. This makes the players look even more greedy than they already do.
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They got close, I think we could get a deal done in next several "daze", owners did some givin and pressure is on players IMO. Kobe and Garnett apparently being so adamant is IMO dumb and I think the average players may not think the same as they do. Would be really stupid to get that close and lose perhaps at least a few months of the season.
 
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