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Pinwheel1 said:
Wow on a team with World Peace and Bynum......that is saying something.
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I swear he has no vision and his shot selection is horrible. He can't play defense.

Bynum has a pretty savvy game but he's injured all the time.
 
sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
Just had an idea: NBA Lockout PPV coin flip for $9.99. Heads, 48/52 BRI. Tails, 50/50 BRI. All proceeds go to Antoine Walker.
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:lol:
 
sportsguy33 Bill Simmons
Just had an idea: NBA Lockout PPV coin flip for $9.99. Heads, 48/52 BRI. Tails, 50/50 BRI. All proceeds go to Antoine Walker.
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The owners could also have an ESPN special Lebron style named "The Decision II" where they decide every day if they will accept the players offer. Instead of just pissing off Cleveland, they manage to infuriate everyone.

They could also drive home the point that most of the players are going to be broke in a few years regardless of how big of percentage of BRI they get, so just play.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/s...but-last-hurdle-is-a-big-one.html?_r=1&src=tp
The new N.B.A. labor deal is practically done. You wouldn’t know it from the headlines, the dour news conferences or the apocalyptic rhetoric spilling from league officials. But the deal, in practical terms, is about 95 percent complete.

The N.B.A. and the players union have agreed on contract lengths and luxury-tax rates, trade rules and cap exceptions, and a host of oddly named provisions offering “amnesty” and “stretch payments” and less onerous “base-year” rules.

All of these pieces — some favoring the players, most of them favoring the owners — have fallen into place in recent weeks, even as talks collapsed and restarted and collapsed again. The checklist has been reduced to a few items.
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Many more details about what's agreed upon also in the article.
 
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Nate Dogg said:
Well the players will feel the decreased pay checks on November 15 because isn't that the start of the pay period?
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The union anticipated this and they have ways for the players to get paid something. Would be difficult to get the same pay though.
 
HCP said:
Why is nobody reporting this and all we get is doomsday type shit!
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It sells and also, the remaining hurdle is huge.

So it'd be like "ok, so you've now climbed Mt Hood, Mt Rainier, Mt Shasta and Mt McKinley...next is Mt. Everest. "
 
I haven't really followed the details of this so I have a question to those of you know: do we really know whether or not the teams, or some of them, are making money, or losing money, and about how much? Seems like that is a critical issue - the players just make money and have no expenses. If the owners are raking in big bucks then the players have an argument, but if the owners are struggling and owning a team is a losing proposition, then the players should take the deal and shut up.
 
According to forbes.com, the Chicago Bulls made about $60M in profit last season.

Some teams make money, some lose. Guys like Cuban can be owners who can afford to lose money - they're spending on their hobby.

It's not so simple to look at the league and teams as losing money.
 
However, regardless of type of owner it is pretty well agreed upon that at the current moment, the league is losing money.
 
Denny Crane said:
According to forbes.com, the Chicago Bulls made about $60M in profit last season.

Some teams make money, some lose. Guys like Cuban can be owners who can afford to lose money - they're spending on their hobby.

It's not so simple to look at the league and teams as losing money.
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Wow, surprise. The team in the nations 3rd largest city, that went to the conference finals, made money last year.

Who ever would've figured that.
 
GOD said:
However, regardless of type of owner it is pretty well agreed upon that at the current moment, the league is losing money.
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It's hard to believe that with a BRI of $4B and the owners getting 43% of it.

That's about $1.72B after paying all the players. Or about $60M per team, if they split it evenly.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's hard to believe that with a BRI of $4B and the owners getting 43% of it.

That's about $1.72B after paying all the players. Or about $60M per team, if they split it evenly.
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Total BRI is 4B. 43% of that is 1.72. But 60M* 30teams is 1.8B so just players alone is already more than the portion of BRI that the owners receive. And they still need to pay all the staff, stadium fees, taxes, travel, and all the other things that corporations need to pay.
 
GOD said:
Total BRI is 4B. 43% of that is 1.72. But 60M* 30teams is 1.8B so just players alone is already more than the portion of BRI that the owners receive. And they still need to pay all the staff, stadium fees, taxes, travel, and all the other things that corporations need to pay.
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The players get paid out of their 57% of BRI, no?
 
GOD said:
However, regardless of type of owner it is pretty well agreed upon that at the current moment, the league is losing money.
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Agreed. But the type of owner is not really the issue. It is the size of the market and how much they receive in local TV revenue.

The Lakers signing their Billion dollar TV deal pissed a lot of owners off. For the Lakers to play games, they need an opponent to play against and that opponent needs to get a portion of that deal. It might also lesson the desire for teams like Sacramento from trying to move to the LA market.

Big Media markets like Houston, Chicago, and New York all make more TV money than the Portlands of the world. . That needs to be shared in a better fashion than it has. Not sure it needs to be completely evenly distributed, but a bigger share than what has been shared before.
 
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GOD said:
However, regardless of type of owner it is pretty well agreed upon that at the current moment, the league is losing money.
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No, the consensus is the opposite, that they refuse to disclose financials for a reason.

And BRI doesn't include all basketball income. It excludes hundreds of millions of dollars from the 57-43 split which goes 100% to the owners.
 
jlprk said:
No, the consensus is the opposite, that they refuse to disclose financials for a reason.

And BRI doesn't include all basketball income. It excludes hundreds of millions of dollars from the 57-43 split which goes 100% to the owners.
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Somewhere I read Hunter saying he saw the books and 12 teams were profitable
You mean like the hundreds of millions owners spend on jets, fuel, hotels, HCP, etc?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Somewhere I read Hunter saying he saw the books and 12 teams were profitable
You mean like the hundreds of millions owners spend on jets, fuel, hotels, HCP, etc?
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Hey 12 out of 30 aint bad right? That's a better percentage than the US auto industry!!
 
78-Game Schedule If CBA Done Next Week?


If the NBA league office and union come to an agreement over the next week, sources predict that the NBA could reconstitute the schedule to play 78 games.

This would cut only four games from the schedule or about one week's worth of games. The number of scheduled games must be an even number.

Presumably the four games that are lost would be against teams in the opposite conference.

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Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/216239/78_Game_Schedule_If_CBA_Done_Next_Week#ixzz1cL4ZUi8H
 
The teams that lose Miami and/or the Lakers visiting are going to be pissed if that is true HCP. The Blazers used both games to sell 10 game packages and imagine every team in the league did the same.
 
Gaging the mood this weekend, I don't think the lockout is effecting anybody but the true die hard NBA fan and the 1,000s of people who have their salary reduced due to all this.

In other words, I don't think the casual or even intense sports fan cares much about what the NBA is doing right now.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Gaging the mood this weekend, I don't think the lockout is effecting anybody but the true die hard NBA fan and the 1,000s of people who have their salary reduced due to all this.

In other words, I don't think the casual or even intense sports fan cares much about what the NBA is doing right now.
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This.


The NBA is in for a rude awakening if it thinks it is like football. I couldn't care less if the NBA ever plays again. I love the Trail Blazers, but only because I am from Portland. I love seeing them play and win. The NBA as a whole is unwatchable, and is never on my tv unless one of the teams is wearing scarlet and black.
 
WOW! Even if this didn't affect me financially, I would be devastated by this. I am a hoop junkie. Rather watch a Memphis v Clippers game then any World Series game! I miss hoops!
 
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
David Stern has fined Miami Heat owner Micky Arison $500,000 for Friday tweets on the lockout, league sources tell Y! Sports.
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lol.
 
Mediocre Man said:
This.


The NBA is in for a rude awakening if it thinks it is like football. I couldn't care less if the NBA ever plays again. I love the Trail Blazers, but only because I am from Portland. I love seeing them play and win. The NBA as a whole is unwatchable, and is never on my tv unless one of the teams is wearing scarlet and black.
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that's how I feel too. And the older I'm getting the less I care about the NBA as a whole. In fact, I no longer care if the Lakers win titles.
 
julius said:
that's how I feel too. And the older I'm getting the less I care about the NBA as a whole. In fact, I no longer care if the Lakers win titles.
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True. It's an odd feeling, but I feel that way as well
 
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