The Official S2 NBA Lockout Thread! (1 Viewer)

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ok, never mind on deal coming soon. The players are going to "sacrifice" to only get 50/50, while asking the owners to basically let them do what they want within the league
 
Sixers rep Jason Kapono: "...An aggressive tone in the room. We're not going to be bullied by the league. No one there wanted this deal."
 
Players won't take ultimatum proposal to a vote but hope to continue negotiations with hopes of gaining system concessions and doing deal.
 
RoyToy said:
That describes the owners if anything
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Yes, as it should. Risk/Reward. The owners put up all the risk, they should get all the reward. Yet they are splitting it with the players. The players are trying to ruin the league by only wanting to create super teams in the few big market, warm climate locations. Teams like Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, maybe even Portland and OKC would have a lot of trouble ever fielding competitive teams without extremely rich owners, if the players get their way
 
Even if NBPA is ready to take the NBA's offer, they would never say so right now. Negotiate for 1 more day, ideally get more concessions.
 
I am back on the owners side. The press conference irrated me. The players want what is best for the players. The owners want what is best for the owners AND the league as a whole because they know that without the stability of the smaller markets, the league would suffer. The players are only focused on themselves and future players, but not the future of the smaller frachises. "Sell it if you can't afford it" sums it all up to me.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I am back on the owners side. The press conference irrated me. The players want what is best for the players. The owners want what is best for the owners AND the league as a whole because they know that without the stability of the smaller markets, the league would suffer. The players are only focused on themselves and future players, but not the future of the smaller frachises. "Sell it if you can't afford it" sums it all up to me.
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First of all, it's misleading to talk about "the owners" OR "the players" as if either forms a unified bloc. With that in mind, what makes you think the big markets are really all that bothered about the small market teams? Yes, they need a LEAGUE to exist, but if a few sick teams fall away, as far as they're concerned that means less revenue sharing. It also means more sell-outs, because it's VERY hard to get a sell-out when the Bucks come to town, but replace them with another Knicks or Lakers game, and we're cooking.
Conversely, you don't think that the Players' Union wants there to be as many teams as possible? More teams=more jobs! "Sell it if you can't afford it" doesn't mean "go out of business" it means find an owner more like Mark Cuban and less like Donald Sterling.
You're drinking the Kool-Aid if you think all the owners want what's best for the league. What's best for the league is no lockout, but a vocal minority of owners WANTS a missed year.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
"^have to" ... "^or else I'll be broke and homeless in six months."
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:lol: ever since you responded to my post earlier I have been reading Mitch Hedberg quotes all day at work. :biglaugh:
 
My reading between the lines

Players to union: take the fucking deal
Union to players: they said there is room on system issues. Lets all act irate at the proposed deal, list every system issue, and hopefully they will budge on a couple.
Players to union: If we do that, then you take the fucking deal!
Union: Of course we'll take the deal.


Fisher and Hunter listed every system issue that has been changed as areas to be discussed. They also said there are some issues that are not negotiable. However, they did not list which of the issues are non-negotiable. why? Because all of them are negotiable. Once the owners move on a couple system issues, the union will say that they held firm on the non-negotiable issues and got their victory. It's all about who has the biggest dick.
 
HCP said:
Fisher: They don't want to be told where they have to work, and under what conditions ...there are things in system not up for discussion...
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OH, GOD, this is rich. Don't want to be told where to work? Who's telling them where to work? There is a new WalMart being built by Albany. I'm sure they are hiring. As for not wanting to be told the conditions of their employment...the delusions of the players are worse than I thought. And that's saying something.
 
HCP said:
Hunter: We're prepared to negotiate objectively and fairly but we expect the same thing from our adversary.
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"Adversary." That says it all. Hunter does not apparently realize their common interests. I also love how Hunter has, from the very beginning, set preconditions on what he will and won't accept, but accuses his 'adversary' of coming in with preconditions. I love irony.
 
Amick

Players are showing serious willingness to give more on BRI in order for system exchanges. Shred of optimism? Source says owners will...likely give on system so long as they get more BRI. That would make so much sense if system hardline was always a means to the BRI end.
 
Stein

Sources also say player reps told TUES that NBA, at present, expects 16 teams would ratify proposal as laid out SAT and that 13 would oppose
 
Stern: "I take [the NBPA] at [their] word that they're not accepting it."
 
Stern: "As of the close of business tomorrow there'll be a new offer from the labor relations committee."
 
Stern: "I always take Billy's calls. ... What my response will be will be guided by some degree to the labor relations committee."
 
Stern on more cancellations: "I don't know that ground [Hunter] is talking about. ... We've had no such discussions."
 
Stern says he has no such plans of canceling games through Xmas right now.
 
HCP said:
Stein

Sources also say player reps told TUES that NBA, at present, expects 16 teams would ratify proposal as laid out SAT and that 13 would oppose
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I call bullshit. both sides are saying stuff for the sake of negotiating.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
"Sell it if you can't afford it" doesn't mean "go out of business" it means find an owner more like Mark Cuban and less like Donald Sterling.
You're drinking the Kool-Aid if you think all the owners want what's best for the league. What's best for the league is no lockout, but a vocal minority of owners WANTS a missed year.
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First off I realize that not every owner cares. But we are talking about the majority when it comes to voting. And the majority is losing money especially if they can not keep their star players.

Secondly I realize that "Sell it if you can't afford it" doesn't mean go out of business. It means sell it to someone who has more money so they can afford to lose money. The players (and fans for that matter) could care less if billionaries lose money. It's a hobby for them right? And how many Mark Cubans are out there? Do really need to go to Russia or China to find our next owner like NJ?
 
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GOD said:
My reading between the lines

Players to union: take the fucking deal
Union to players: they said there is room on system issues. Lets all act irate at the proposed deal, list every system issue, and hopefully they will budge on a couple.
Players to union: If we do that, then you take the fucking deal!
Union: Of course we'll take the deal.


Fisher and Hunter listed every system issue that has been changed as areas to be discussed. They also said there are some issues that are not negotiable. However, they did not list which of the issues are non-negotiable. why? Because all of them are negotiable. Once the owners move on a couple system issues, the union will say that they held firm on the non-negotiable issues and got their victory. It's all about who has the biggest dick.
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This is what I think is going on. Basically acccepting the deal with tail tucked between the legs . . . get a few concessions to save face.
 
NBA fan . .. tastic?

Baron Davis is currently employed by the Cleveland Cavaliers but may become a free agent due to the so-called amnesty clause that may be in the next collective bargaining agreement and allows teams to take a big contract off the books when a player is let loose. If that happens, ESPN reports that folks in Cleveland are thinking that the 32-year-old three-time All-Star would be let go and head to Florida to play with LeBron James and the Miami Heat.

However, sources tell ESPN that there are at least two other teams that are higher on the list for Davis, a native of L.A.: the Los Angeles Lakers and the New York Knicks.
 
Billy Hunter tells @daldridgeTNT on NBATV that, as relayed by Paul Pierce, "close to" 200 players in process of signing decert "cards"
 
To reiterate: 30 percent of NBA workforce must sign petition to force decert vote. Then up to 45 days of lag time before actual decert VOTE
 
Sources close to decert movement confirm they've collected signatures this week but also know WEDS deal-or-no deal deadline takes precedence
 
Stein

If there's no deal by Wednesday and deadline is not extended, then you can safely assume decert petition WILL be filed soon thereafter
 
Stein

But even if decert petition IS filed, union and league could/would continue to negotiate during those 45 days while NLRB sets up vote
 
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