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Actually viewership remained high last year even after Clark was injured.
 
crandc said:
Actually viewership remained high last year even after Clark was injured.
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No it didn’t…

Nationally televised WNBA viewership dropped by approximately
55%following Caitlin Clark's 2025 injury (a strained left quad). According to Nielsen data, Indiana Fever national TV games alone dropped 53%, falling from an average of 1.81 million viewers to 847,000, underscoring her immediate impact on ratings.
 
Fever games dropped for sure. And overall. Despite that rating still up over previous year as was attendance. Product was good.
 
crandc said:
Fever games dropped for sure. And overall. Despite that rating still up over previous year as was attendance. Product was good.
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Half of the entire league’s viewership stopped watching. Attendance dropped significantly but due to season ticket holders they were stuck with the tickets. They just didn’t go.
Even the news quit showing game scores.
She better not get hurt again this year. Maybe the refs will start making sure she isn’t targeted?
 
kjironman1 said:
Half of the entire league’s viewership stopped watching. Attendance dropped significantly but due to season ticket holders they were stuck with the tickets. They just didn’t go.
Even the news quit showing game scores.
She better not get hurt again this year. Maybe the refs will start making sure she isn’t targeted?
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They already call more fouls for her than anybody else...

She hasn't been injured by any defender.

These false narratives are insane. Nobody is treating her unfairly. They are being physical with her because she dominates the ball.

I sincerely hope the refs don't start giving her special treatment.

Looks like viewership was up over 2024...

https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-...ntal-wnba-season-sets-new-viewership-records/
 
Phatguysrule said:
They already call more fouls for her than anybody else...

She hasn't been injured by any defender.

These false narratives are insane. Nobody is treating her unfairly. They are being physical with her because she dominates the ball.

I sincerely hope the refs don't start giving her special treatment.

Looks like viewership was up over 2024...

https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-...ntal-wnba-season-sets-new-viewership-records/
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That is an ESPN link. The actual Neilson Ratings say otherwise but of course who really knows? I for one cannot remember much about a WNBA season anyway. Next year (If it actually happens) I will pay closer attention beings Portland will have a team.
 
Phatguysrule said:
These false narratives are insane. Nobody is treating her unfairly. They are being physical with her because she dominates the ball.
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Not sure I agree with you there. There was quite a bit of coverage on the issue.
 
kjironman1 said:
That is an ESPN link. The actual Neilson Ratings say otherwise but of course who really knows? I for one cannot remember much about a WNBA season anyway. Next year (If it actually happens) I will pay closer attention beings Portland will have a team.
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www.nielsen.com

Nielsen: 46 Billion Minutes of Women’s Sports were Consumed in 2025* | Nielsen

Nielsen Highlights Women’s Sports Viewership Milestones Ahead of International Women’s Day on March 8 New...
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The 2025 WNBA season achieved record-breaking viewership, with ESPN networks delivering their most-watched WNBA regular season and postseason ever, averaging 1.3M viewers across 25 regular-season games (up 6% YoY) and 1.2M across 24 postseason games (up 5% YoY), per Nielsen Big Data + Panel. The Full Season across All National Networks was consumed for 220.12 million hours, making it the most-consumed Full Season ever (up 16% YOY).
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kjironman1 said:
Not sure I agree with you there. There was quite a bit of coverage on the issue.
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There was a lot of whining. She brings a lot of negative attention on herself.

She's rude and disrespectful to other players. She flops. Then she gets petulant when they treat her that way.

There was a lot of coverage. Because many of her fans are ignorant racists who don't know anything about basketball.

*Edit* And just to be clear, I'm not claiming she is racist or ignorant. I don't think she is either of those things.

She is a very good basketball player.
 
crandc said:
Fever games dropped for sure. And overall. Despite that rating still up over previous year as was attendance. Product was good.
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Tickets for games were purchased PRIOR to CC’s injury.
 
Peoples feelings about CC don’t register with me. She is the sole reason for viewership and attendance being up. Her haters can deny it all they want but it’s true. They are on damn charter planes and have moved up in the quality of hotels simply because of her. The new tv contract is her as well.
I simply don’t understand why people hate on the sole reason people are spending money and tuning in. It feels like the same vibe the league and players had towards MJ when he first arrived. It’s ok to acknowledge it. They have had to move games to NBA arenas and not community college gyms for her…… NOBODY else.
All of this coincides with her arrival.

…..”No there are other players people watch and others have been crushing it for 30 years…….”
Sure.
 
Percentage that the value of the WNBA franchises have increased since the league was founded.
WNBA franchise values have increased significantly since the league's founding in 1997, with recent data showing a staggering
180% average increase in the last year alone. As of mid-2025, the average WNBA team is valued at approximately $269 million to $272 million, compared to an average of just $96 million in 2024.
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Historical Valuation Growth
While specific "founding value" figures for 1997 are rarely cited due to the league's initial structure under the NBA, growth can be traced through major sales and expansion fees:
  • Expansion Fees: The expansion fee for the Golden State Valkyries was $50 million in 2023. Recent announcements for new teams in cities like Cleveland and Portland have seen these fees jump to $250 million, a 400% increase in roughly one year.
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  • Individual Team Growth:
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    • The Las Vegas Aces were sold for roughly $2 million in 2021 and are now valued at approximately $310 million, representing a 15,400% increase in just four years.
    • The New York Liberty were acquired in 2019 for between $10 million and $14 million and are now valued at $400 million to $420 million.
    • The Connecticut Sun (formerly the Orlando Miracle) were moved in 2003 for $10 million and are now valued at $200 million.
Top Current Valuations (2025/2026 Estimates)
Golden State Valkyries$500 Million1,000% (since $50M fee)
New York Liberty$420 Million222%
Indiana Fever$335 Million273%
Seattle Storm$330 MillionN/A
Las Vegas Aces$310 Million100%
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This explosive growth is largely attributed to record-breaking attendance, surging media rights revenues (expected to hit $260 million annually starting in 2026), and the high-profile arrival of stars like Caitlin Clark.
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Would you like to see a detailed breakdown of the revenue streams driving these new valuations, or more info on the upcoming expansion teams?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Percentage that the value of the WNBA franchises have increased since the league was founded.
WNBA franchise values have increased significantly since the league's founding in 1997, with recent data showing a staggering
180% average increase in the last year alone. As of mid-2025, the average WNBA team is valued at approximately $269 million to $272 million, compared to an average of just $96 million in 2024.
Reddit +2
Historical Valuation Growth
While specific "founding value" figures for 1997 are rarely cited due to the league's initial structure under the NBA, growth can be traced through major sales and expansion fees:

  • Expansion Fees: The expansion fee for the Golden State Valkyries was $50 million in 2023. Recent announcements for new teams in cities like Cleveland and Portland have seen these fees jump to $250 million, a 400% increase in roughly one year.
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    • The Las Vegas Aces were sold for roughly $2 million in 2021 and are now valued at approximately $310 million, representing a 15,400% increase in just four years.
    • The New York Liberty were acquired in 2019 for between $10 million and $14 million and are now valued at $400 million to $420 million.
    • The Connecticut Sun (formerly the Orlando Miracle) were moved in 2003 for $10 million and are now valued at $200 million.
Top Current Valuations (2025/2026 Estimates)

Golden State Valkyries$500 Million1,000% (since $50M fee)
New York Liberty$420 Million222%
Indiana Fever$335 Million273%
Seattle Storm$330 MillionN/A
Las Vegas Aces$310 Million100%

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This explosive growth is largely attributed to record-breaking attendance, surging media rights revenues (expected to hit $260 million annually starting in 2026), and the high-profile arrival of stars like Caitlin Clark.
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Would you like to see a detailed breakdown of the revenue streams driving these new valuations, or more info on the upcoming expansion teams?
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It's only been until recently that small to mid-sized city NBA franchises generated a profit. Paul Allen ran the Blazers in the red for the majority of the time.

S.P.A.M. Spending Paul Allen's Money.

The owners of WNBA franchises will be fine. They will enjoy a huge return on their investment when they sell their teams.

It's nice that so many of you are concerned about them, but trust me, they'll be fine.

Hell yes the players deserve a raise. No one goes to games to see the owners sit courtside. No one turns on the TV to see the owners sit courtside.

50% of WNBA players played overseas in the offseason last year.

We've gotten upset when players have played for their country in the offseason, and that's just a few games. It's not an entire 2nd season.

The ladies of the WNBA need to be paid enough so they don't have to go overseas to play.

Being a top WNBA player should earn life-changing money, because that's what it is in the vast majority of professional sports.

This obsession that the league isn't making money is a false argument.

PAY THE LADIES!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It's only been until recently that small to mid-sized city NBA franchises generated a profit. Paul Allen ran the Blazers in the red for the majority of the time.

S.P.A.M. Spending Paul Allen's Money.

The owners of WNBA franchises will be fine. They will enjoy a huge return on their investment when they sell their teams.

It's nice that so many of you are concerned about them, but trust me, they'll be fine.

Hell yes the players deserve a raise. No one goes to games to see the owners sit courtside. No one turns on the TV to see the owners sit courtside.

50% of WNBA players played overseas in the offseason last year.

We've gotten upset when players have played for their country in the offseason, and that's just a few games. It's not an entire 2nd season.

The ladies of the WNBA need to be paid enough so they don't have to go overseas to play.

Being a top WNBA player should earn life-changing money, because that's what it is in the vast majority of professional sports.

This obsession that the league isn't making money is a false argument.

PAY THE LADIES!
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I agree they should get enough to live their lives without having to play overseas a second season but remember their season is much shorter also.
 
THE HCP said:
Peoples feelings about CC don’t register with me. She is the sole reason for viewership and attendance being up. Her haters can deny it all they want but it’s true. They are on damn charter planes and have moved up in the quality of hotels simply because of her. The new tv contract is her as well.
I simply don’t understand why people hate on the sole reason people are spending money and tuning in. It feels like the same vibe the league and players had towards MJ when he first arrived. It’s ok to acknowledge it. They have had to move games to NBA arenas and not community college gyms for her…… NOBODY else.
All of this coincides with her arrival.

…..”No there are other players people watch and others have been crushing it for 30 years…….”
Sure.
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jealousy.
 
they could divest from the nba subsidization
SlyPokerDog said:
It's only been until recently that small to mid-sized city NBA franchises generated a profit. Paul Allen ran the Blazers in the red for the majority of the time.

S.P.A.M. Spending Paul Allen's Money.

The owners of WNBA franchises will be fine. They will enjoy a huge return on their investment when they sell their teams.

It's nice that so many of you are concerned about them, but trust me, they'll be fine.

Hell yes the players deserve a raise. No one goes to games to see the owners sit courtside. No one turns on the TV to see the owners sit courtside.

50% of WNBA players played overseas in the offseason last year.

We've gotten upset when players have played for their country in the offseason, and that's just a few games. It's not an entire 2nd season.

The ladies of the WNBA need to be paid enough so they don't have to go overseas to play.

Being a top WNBA player should earn life-changing money, because that's what it is in the vast majority of professional sports.

This obsession that the league isn't making money is a false argument.

PAY THE LADIES!
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what is false about the league not turning a profit since inception?
nobody is even arguing with "pay the ladies" ....
the new rights deal was going to 3-4x their pay, but then they want wages out of % GROSS REVENUE all of a sudden.
everyone saying the wnba success recent interest, viewership, tv rights rev boost ISNT mostly due to CC, is crazy. just bball 'purists' on a forum claiming the high road. For the avg fan out there, most cannot name their local team or 5 WNBA players total. The can do CC and then possibly Angel Reese, who is mostly well known for mebounds, misses and hating CC.

fans invested into the WNBA with the CC aura, bought season tickets, TV packages etc
when she wasnt in games and on TV, the league basically crashed. yes, its up YOY, but holy low base batman, and vs projections with CC aura in full effect all year, it limped over the success line.

Fever games were the only nationally televised games that drew normie attention. when she got injured 50%+ viewership drop.
viewership overall was up 6% on '24, but with CC's rookies season hype n going into her 2hd year but only playing 13 games, id think that was accurate as those 13 would have been the top audience games televised too.

i found that non-Fever games viewership was up 36% which is good % movement, but a very low numbers base.

the actual real test is if they can maintain any momentum with all this being dragged thru the media, the 'pay us what you owe us' t-shirts, and continual lockout threats on a league that the avg person struggles to recognise or have interest in.... Also, that 'what you owe us' part annoyed a LOT of casuals and generated a fair amount of surfacing of WNBA history and reality to many more casuals who struggled to understand the rationale based on the numbers.

i honestly dont see what the actual 'win' here is for the WNBA PA, in having $1, being offered $4, but asking for $20.
 
BlayZa said:
i honestly dont see what the actual 'win' here is for the WNBA PA, in having $1, being offered $4, but asking for $20.
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Strong comeback, respect.

But... being offered $4, but asking for $20 is Negotiations 101. They'll meet somewhere in the middle, neither will be completely happy. Life.
 
Y'all getting confused with Australia.

NZ is the place a lot of upset Americans wanna move to.

We have free health care for our people, great outdoors, good affordable tertiary education, and are miles away from drama.

Last thing NZ needs is American's bringing their left or right tribalisms here.

I'll still watch the NBA tho. Thats a decent trade off.
 
BlayZa said:
Y'all getting confused with Australia.

NZ is the place a lot of upset Americans wanna move to.

We have free health care for our people, great outdoors, good affordable tertiary education, and are miles away from drama.

Last thing NZ needs is American's bringing their left or right tribalisms here.

I'll still watch the NBA tho. Thats a decent trade off.
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Is there free love?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That island of criminals has universal medical care for all, and college is much much more affordable.

But we have more billionaires.
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Bro have you SEEN the insects…..if he continues to stay there he’s a nutjob! 🤣 🕷️
 
BlayZa said:
Y'all getting confused with Australia.

NZ is the place a lot of upset Americans wanna move to.

We have free health care for our people, great outdoors, good affordable tertiary education, and are miles away from drama.

Last thing NZ needs is American's bringing their left or right tribalisms here.

I'll still watch the NBA tho. Thats a decent trade off.
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Oh….. Nevermind.
 
BlayZa said:
Y'all getting confused with Australia.

NZ is the place a lot of upset Americans wanna move to.

We have free health care for our people, great outdoors, good affordable tertiary education, and are miles away from drama.

Last thing NZ needs is American's bringing their left or right tribalisms here.

I'll still watch the NBA tho. Thats a decent trade off.
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A close friend of mine Frank Nobilo is from your beautiful country….. he has worked in Oregon many times working golf coverage and says our great stat reminds him of home. I’d love to come visit.
 
THE HCP said:
A close friend of mine Frank Nobilo is from your beautiful country….. he has worked in Oregon many times working golf coverage and says our great stat reminds him of home. I’d love to come visit.
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NZ has produced a few decent golfers, Frank Nobilo, Michael Campbell, Bob Charles, Ryan Fox n Lydia Ko.

Scenery wise, yeah - its probably a decent comp to Oregon. Add in some some melting pot culture and consistent mild to sunny weather and you have NZ.
 
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