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http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/10/trail_blazers_andre_miller_and.html

An interesting read, but this part in particular caught my eye.

Miller confirmed he is upset with Quick’s story about the Blazers' conditioning test and my story about his reserved personality.
“Yeah. Because it’s a first impression thing and that was the fans first impression of me — the conditioning test and the other article about me being a private person. It kind of felt like me coming in (that I) was not a team player, if you want to call it that, or I don’t get along with people. I didn’t mean it like that. I get along with all the players and we’re not even a week-and-a-half into the season. For the fans, for me coming here, I want the fans to judge me by what I do on the court. What I do off the court doesn’t matter.”

I wondered if there would be any fallout from Quick "peeking between the blinds" and illicitly copying times from the conditioning test that got left on a grease board. I'm not saying the recent clusterfuck surrounding Miller's comments to Marc Spears is necessarily all JQ's fault, but I've thought for awhile that Mr. Quick has had some serious bromance going on for Steve Blake and you wonder if the conditioning test results and the media obsession over Miller's personal habits and off-court behavior might have some repercussions -- Sort of a "Welcome to Portland you lazy bum, fuck. Would you like to comment on why you are so reclusive and haven't been taking long walks along the Willamette with Brandon Roy?"

Who knows what the real reason Miller popped off to Spears was, but I tend to think he was entitled to set the story straight and at least attempt to get his side of the story out there.

For me it's just more evidence that Quick is good at just a couple of things: stirring the pot, and writing stories about who let the biggest ass bomb in the locker room.
 
Jason Quick stirring it

After reading this article I can't help but wonder if Quick has a little bit of drama queen in him......tends to stir the pot. He started off the same way with Oden's article last year.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/10/trail_blazers_andre_miller_and.html


After Sunday's Trail Blazers practice, point guard Andre Miller addressed the comments he made in this Yahoo Sports story and discussed a host of other issues, including his treatment by the Portland media, his desire to be in Portland and his relationship with coach Nate McMillan.

Miller:
You were quoted in the story as saying “If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come (to Portland).” Is that accurate?
“Yeah, that’s accurate.”

Are you cool with your situation here? Is it a work in progress?
“That’s the mentality that every player should have. If it doesn’t go my way, it doesn’t go my way. But I’m going to continue to work hard regardless of the situation. So the coach runs the team and whatever decision he makes, I have to live with it. But I’m not going to change my work habits and my work ethic. I’m going to continue to work hard and that should be every player’s goal going into the season, setting goals to be on the court as much as they can. I wouldn’t be in this position if I didn’t have that mentality. So I understand the situation. It’s a new situation and I don’t want to mess up the thing that’s going on here. I just want to come in and help and however I can help the team, whether coming off the bench or starting. That’s just what I have to deal with.”

So is it safe to say you’ve changed the opinion you expressed from the summer?
“I like the players. I like the coaches. I like the management. I’m here to win. However they’re going to use me, I have to deal with that. And, like I said, whatever the coaches say, I have to do. But that’s not going to change my work habits. I’m a team player. It was nothing bad as far as what I said about starting. That’s just a goal. Like I say, if the coach goes in a different direction then I have to live with that and that’s my job to continue to come out and support my players.”

Do you feel this situation right now will improve?
“Yeah, it’s going to improve. Regardless of the situation, this is a talented team. I’m not here to cause any controversy. I’m here to play basketball. Whatever goes on off the court, I’m not going to worry about that. I’m here to play basketball and be on the court.”

Judging by your comments in the story, you feel as if you’ve gotten a bad rap from the media. Is that accurate and would like you to comment on that?
“Yeah, pretty much. I normally don’t say anything to the media. I’m even tempered. When I saw what was put in about me in the paper, then I did the article with Marc (Spears) to have my say. I didn’t want it to be one sided where people get a bad vibe about me coming to Portland. I came here to help the team. I didn’t come here to bring the team down.”

Miller confirmed he is upset with Quick’s story about the Blazers' conditioning test and my story about his reserved personality.
“Yeah. Because it’s a first impression thing and that was the fans first impression of me — the conditioning test and the other article about me being a private person. It kind of felt like me coming in (that I) was not a team player, if you want to call it that, or I don’t get along with people. I didn’t mean it like that. I get along with all the players and we’re not even a week-and-a-half into the season. For the fans, for me coming here, I want the fans to judge me by what I do on the court. What I do off the court doesn’t matter.”

You can’t start over, but would you like this situation to be improved in general?
“It’s dead. It’s dead. That’s in the past. So whatever went on in the paper, it hasn’t effected my practice habits or what I do on the court. So that stuff doesn’t even matter. So the purpose of me even talking to Marc Spears was to just be able to have my say, rather than it to be one sided, where people get an idea or a feel about me that I didn’t feel was a positive feel. So I wanted to just put everything out there straight and, like I said, the basketball stuff is going to take care of itself. I’ve never complained about any situation that I’ve been in when it comes to basketball. I just went out there and played.”

Are you and coach McMillan on the same page?
“Yeah we are. As long as I’m here practicing and working hard, I feel that I can contribute to the team. It’s his job (and) I can’t control where I fit into that situation. So I’m not going to speak on that. I’m going to continue to work hard, I’m going to continue to be a team player and whether it’s five minutes or 25 minutes, I’m going to be out to contribute. And I think he knows, understands me as a veteran. I’m not going to get caught up in the situation. (This was) something by me having my say.”


McMillan:
What do you think about Miller’s comment? (“If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come (to Portland)?)
“My office is open to my players and I didn’t read that. I really won’t comment on that because until that is said to me then it’s not something that I’m going to concern myself with. My players, we’ve talked about my door being open, and they can come to me if they feel if there’s a concern or they don’t understand or they don’t know a role. Then I’m here everyday between 7:30 and 8.”

Has Miller revealed any displeasure to you?
“If that was the case, I would let you know. But no. I put him in the (starting) lineup the other day to look at that combination of players. I’m going to probably go with that lineup again to take a look at that. But, no I have not heard that from any player.”

Miller also said in the story that two or four other players did not pass the conditioning test and the times were fixed. Your thoughts?
“Again, I can’t comment on something that I don’t know to be true. It was written and the players know (where) we (stand) on that. And we can talk. That, again, that’s conversation; it may or may not be. But the lines of communication are open with the group.”

How do you think Miller has looked so far?
“It’s not just Andre. I’ve played him with a lot of different combinations. As a group, we have to get better. And he’s trying to learn a whole new system, what we do and how we do things and so he’s trying to absorb a lot. We’ve given them a lot and he knows how to play but he still has to learn how we play. On both ends of the floor. And you don’t get that in two or three weeks.”
oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/10/trail_blazers_andre_miller_and.html
 
Re: Jason Quick stirring it

Funny, we must have had the same thought to post this article about a minute apart.
 
LMAO, shit I just posted the same article and virtually same comments as you

sorry please merge......
 
Re: Jason Quick stirring it

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but this is a Joe Freeman article.
 
Re: Jason Quick stirring it

No sorry for the confusion. The article is talking about comments that Quick wrote about Miller. I think Quick tends to read a little to much into things at times and makes assumptions. He stirred the pot with Oden last year and this year is stirring it with Miller.
 
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/10/trail_blazers_andre_miller_and.html

An interesting read, but this part in particular caught my eye.



I wondered if there would be any fallout from Quick "peeking between the blinds" and illicitly copying times from the conditioning test that got left on a grease board. I'm not saying the recent clusterfuck surrounding Miller's comments to Marc Spears is necessarily all JQ's fault, but I've thought for awhile that Mr. Quick has had some serious bromance going on for Steve Blake and you wonder if the conditioning test results and the media obsession over Miller's personal habits and off-court behavior might have some repercussions -- Sort of a "Welcome to Portland you lazy bum, fuck. Would you like to comment on why you are so reclusive and haven't been taking long walks along the Willamette with Brandon Roy?"

Who knows what the real reason Miller popped off to Spears was, but I tend to think he was entitled to set the story straight and at least attempt to get his side of the story out there.

For me it's just more evidence that Quick is good at just a couple of things: stirring the pot, and writing stories about who let the biggest ass bomb in the locker room.

What else is new. Quick loves controversy. It makes for better viewership.
 
I can't believe that someone can say this:

Miller:
You were quoted in the story as saying “If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come (to Portland).” Is that accurate?
“Yeah, that’s accurate.”


Also ends up saying this:

Are you cool with your situation here? Is it a work in progress?
“That’s the mentality that every player should have. If it doesn’t go my way, it doesn’t go my way. But I’m going to continue to work hard regardless of the situation. So the coach runs the team and whatever decision he makes, I have to live with it. But I’m not going to change my work habits and my work ethic. I’m going to continue to work hard and that should be every player’s goal going into the season, setting goals to be on the court as much as they can. I wouldn’t be in this position if I didn’t have that mentality. So I understand the situation. It’s a new situation and I don’t want to mess up the thing that’s going on here. I just want to come in and help and however I can help the team, whether coming off the bench or starting. That’s just what I have to deal with.”

Um, right...
 
I can't believe that someone can say this:

Miller:
You were quoted in the story as saying “If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come (to Portland).” Is that accurate?
“Yeah, that’s accurate.”


Also ends up saying this:

Are you cool with your situation here? Is it a work in progress?
“That’s the mentality that every player should have. If it doesn’t go my way, it doesn’t go my way. But I’m going to continue to work hard regardless of the situation. So the coach runs the team and whatever decision he makes, I have to live with it. But I’m not going to change my work habits and my work ethic. I’m going to continue to work hard and that should be every player’s goal going into the season, setting goals to be on the court as much as they can. I wouldn’t be in this position if I didn’t have that mentality. So I understand the situation. It’s a new situation and I don’t want to mess up the thing that’s going on here. I just want to come in and help and however I can help the team, whether coming off the bench or starting. That’s just what I have to deal with.”

Um, right...

Well, if I were to defend Miller, I'd observe that there is a difference between not being allowed to compete for the starting spot, and competing for the starting spot and losing the competition. The first quote could refer to the former, and the second quote to the latter.

barfo
 
Other NBA city papers aren't like this. It can't be coincidence that both Quick and Canzano stir up trouble. There must be a common cause. Their boss, their Editor, must direct them to do so. The fault of these constant earthquakes is at the core of Oregonian management. I doubt that all of this destruction sells any more papers than would have sold anyway.

These same social engineers once caused many uproars, which caused a 50-win team to be blown up, which caused the fans to endure 5 years of a lousy team.
 
Well, if I were to defend Miller, I'd observe that there is a difference between not being allowed to compete for the starting spot, and competing for the starting spot and losing the competition. The first quote could refer to the former, and the second quote to the latter.

barfo


Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner. It really isn't that hard to understand!
 
Other NBA city papers aren't like this. It can't be coincidence that both Quick and Canzano stir up trouble. There must be a common cause. Their boss, their Editor, must direct them to do so. The fault of these constant earthquakes is at the core of Oregonian management. I doubt that all of this destruction sells any more papers than would have sold anyway.

These same social engineers once caused many uproars, which caused a 50-win team to be blown up, which caused the fans to endure 5 years of a lousy team.

That's a frightening thought. The media/newpapers are supposed to report the news, not make them (nor make them up). I love this current incarnation of the Blazers and I hope they don't get blown up because a sensationalistic newspaper wants to amplify something small into an grand-scale drama so that they can increase their cirulation numbers.
 
Other NBA city papers aren't like this. It can't be coincidence that both Quick and Canzano stir up trouble. There must be a common cause. Their boss, their Editor, must direct them to do so. The fault of these constant earthquakes is at the core of Oregonian management. I doubt that all of this destruction sells any more papers than would have sold anyway.

These same social engineers once caused many uproars, which caused a 50-win team to be blown up, which caused the fans to endure 5 years of a lousy team.

This has been going on for years. They campaigned against Allen owning the team. They even campaigned to run Clyde out of town (this was before the 2 trips to the finals). The Dwight Jaynes column about trading Clyde for Harold Minor has to be one of the most hideous jokes in the history of sports writing! Their attacks on Kiki and his family were also inexplicable and way out of line.
 
The local media didn't like Kiki for political reasons. He came out of UCLA as a Rhodes Scholar finalist, was the very first pick ever of the Mavericks, and held out because Texas is reactionary. After missing 25 games, they had to trade him to Denver. He was always booed in Dallas as a player, but he worked for them after he retired.
 
Miller is just being honest. He was asked if he would have signed here if he had known he was going to be a backup, and he said no. He wouldn't have signed here. Quite frankly I can't blame him.
 
Miller is just being honest. He was asked if he would have signed here if he had known he was going to be a backup, and he said no. He wouldn't have signed here. Quite frankly I can't blame him.

He was told at that dinner that Nate envision Miller coming off the bench. Miller said that was then and this is now so he admitted then that Nate told him that. Later he denied Nate said it, but he already admitted he did. I think Miller just thought once he got here he would be handed the starting position. That isn't Nate's fault. It's easy to say now he wouldn't have sign if he wasn't going to be the starter, but I doubt that is the case seeing as Miller knew Nate said he was going to come off the bench before he signed.
 
He was told at that dinner that Nate envision Miller coming off the bench. Miller said that was then and this is now so he admitted then that Nate told him that. Later he denied Nate said it, but he already admitted he did.

Wait, what? Link?

I think Miller just thought once he got here he would be handed the starting position. That isn't Nate's fault. It's easy to say now he wouldn't have sign if he wasn't going to be the starter, but I doubt that is the case seeing as Miller knew Nate said he was going to come off the bench before he signed.

Where's the evidence Nate told him he'd be coming off the bench?

barfo
 
He was told at that dinner that Nate envision Miller coming off the bench. Miller said that was then and this is now so he admitted then that Nate told him that. Later he denied Nate said it, but he already admitted he did. I think Miller just thought once he got here he would be handed the starting position. That isn't Nate's fault. It's easy to say now he wouldn't have sign if he wasn't going to be the starter, but I doubt that is the case seeing as Miller knew Nate said he was going to come off the bench before he signed.

I never read that anywhere. Show me a link. Miller from what I have read and heard was never told he would be coming off the bench at the dinner meeting with Nate.
 
Personally, I'm glad to hear Miller is "reserved" about his personal life. It's his business. I hate it when everyone expects some celeb to live his/her private life on the front page. If he's not Paris Hilton, more power to him.
 
Personally, I'm glad to hear Miller is "reserved" about his personal life. It's his business. I hate it when everyone expects some celeb to live his/her private life on the front page. If he's not Paris Hilton, more power to him.

Isn't there a middle ground though? I'm not sure anyone expects him to "live his private life on the front page", but upon interaction with the media or fans, nothing wrong with being warm or inviting, even cordial would suffice. I get the impression he just comes off as cold, in a sort of "I don't even know you, but I don't like you" kind of way. That's how he came off to me at the PF tour. Regardless I think too much is being made of the subject.
 
I can't believe that someone can say this:

Miller:
You were quoted in the story as saying “If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come (to Portland).” Is that accurate?
“Yeah, that’s accurate.”


Also ends up saying this:

Are you cool with your situation here? Is it a work in progress?
“That’s the mentality that every player should have. If it doesn’t go my way, it doesn’t go my way. But I’m going to continue to work hard regardless of the situation. So the coach runs the team and whatever decision he makes, I have to live with it. But I’m not going to change my work habits and my work ethic. I’m going to continue to work hard and that should be every player’s goal going into the season, setting goals to be on the court as much as they can. I wouldn’t be in this position if I didn’t have that mentality. So I understand the situation. It’s a new situation and I don’t want to mess up the thing that’s going on here. I just want to come in and help and however I can help the team, whether coming off the bench or starting. That’s just what I have to deal with.”
really you can't? Which do you think is the more likely scenario... Miller walks up to some Yahoo sports writer and says that quote because he's frustrated and unprofessional about how he's being used in his 11th preseason... or ... he's answering a question along the lines of how do you feel about coming off the bench?

#2 makes a lot more sense to me. Dude didn't sign to be relegated to the bench, he's a stud who has started his whole career. If that was the only possibility in Portland, he'd have gone elsewhere. Nate and management led him to believe that he'd be competing for a starting spot and guess what... thats whats actually happening. Basically I see this as much to do about nothing.

1 Eye Jack... Quick might have a little bit of drama queen in him? Ya think? :biglaugh:

STOMP
 
Isn't there a middle ground though? I'm not sure anyone expects him to "live his private life on the front page", but upon interaction with the media or fans, nothing wrong with being warm or inviting, even cordial would suffice. I get the impression he just comes off as cold, in a sort of "I don't even know you, but I don't like you" kind of way. That's how he came off to me at the PF tour. Regardless I think too much is being made of the subject.

He's paid to be a professional ball player, not a PR wonk. As long as he's not in the police blotter or doing illegal or unethical things in his off time, I don't give two shits what he says to the media/fans or how he says it. It seems to me that some fans of this team have become so sensitive to what kind of people its players are that they've at times lost focus that it's about on court ability and performance and not about singing Kum-by-yah with their teammates and being "warm."

This team is overloaded to the gills with "nice guys", it needs a couple of no nonsense, hard asses
 
I would like to point out that Miller could have quashed all of this crap had he just put in a little work over the off season and come into camp in shape. That would have signaled to his new teammates, coaches, GM, owner, fans and especially media types that he was willing to do what it takes to get into the competition for the starting PG spot. Instead he obviously came into camp out of shape and unable to adequately compete against Blake, a player that obviously took his off season very seriously setting the new team record for this conditioning test.

It is not as if Miller was not fore warned about the test and that it was difficult to pass. He elected to do his same ole, same ole. He was asked at his presser if he was in shape and gave his schpeel about how the off season is his time, yada, yada, yada. Well, now he is on the Blazers time and he came into camp out of shape. Terrible first impression he made. To deflect the blame for his poor conditioning into a media should not report on this stance is bullshit. We all know that Travis failed the test several times one year and the team was trying to determine if his asthema (sp) had anything to do with it. But Travis sucked it up, dealt with his teammates, coaches, media and even fans without placing blame on somebody else.

Now I have never been enamored with Miller. I am very skeptical that he will be a great fit here. But I also know that Blake will make an excellent backup PG and that we do need a reliable starter. But I also know that if I show up to my new job and crap my pants on day one, people are going to be questioning me. Miller needs to own up to faling the test and then suck it up and pass it if he has not yet done so. This is his fault. Players play, coaches coach and reporters report. That is what Quick/Freeman/Clownzano have done here. Miller knows that and did an end around and went to a friendly "reporter" to him in Stein to do a fluff piece. Miller knows the game and played it bringing in a national reporter trying to big time the local honks. Just suck it up Miller, get in shape and compete. Nothing is given in Blazerland and I support that.
 
I would like to point out that Miller could have quashed all of this crap had he just put in a little work over the off season and come into camp in shape. That would have signaled to his new teammates, coaches, GM, owner, fans and especially media types that he was willing to do what it takes to get into the competition for the starting PG spot. Instead he obviously came into camp out of shape and unable to adequately compete against Blake, a player that obviously took his off season very seriously setting the new team record for this conditioning test.

It sounds nice in theory, except it is very rare for 10 year veterans to work excessively hard during the off-season. Miller has been one of the most productive point guards in the league for most of his career and he's gotten ready for each season the same way -- why change now?

It is not as if Miller was not fore warned about the test and that it was difficult to pass. He elected to do his same ole, same ole. He was asked at his presser if he was in shape and gave his schpeel about how the off season is his time, yada, yada, yada. Well, now he is on the Blazers time and he came into camp out of shape. Terrible first impression he made. To deflect the blame for his poor conditioning into a media should not report on this stance is bullshit. We all know that Travis failed the test several times one year and the team was trying to determine if his asthema (sp) had anything to do with it. But Travis sucked it up, dealt with his teammates, coaches, media and even fans without placing blame on somebody else.

For one thing the results of that test were never really meant for public consumption ... but ultimately that conditioning test is going to mean fuck all in April when the "real" season starts -- again, Miller has been one of the most productive (and durable) players at his position for most of his career following the same off-season regimen, he would be a fool at his age to try and do something different.

Now I have never been enamored with Miller. I am very skeptical that he will be a great fit here. But I also know that Blake will make an excellent backup PG and that we do need a reliable starter. But I also know that if I show up to my new job and crap my pants on day one, people are going to be questioning me. Miller needs to own up to faling the test and then suck it up and pass it if he has not yet done so. This is his fault. Players play, coaches coach and reporters report. That is what Quick/Freeman/Clownzano have done here. Miller knows that and did an end around and went to a friendly "reporter" to him in Stein to do a fluff piece. Miller knows the game and played it bringing in a national reporter trying to big time the local honks. Just suck it up Miller, get in shape and compete. Nothing is given in Blazerland and I support that.

Miller has widely been regarded as one of the more effective players so far in pre-season (apparently the only guard intent on feeding Oden the rock) and has clearly been outplaying Steve Blake ... finding a fit with new teammates who are not used to a certain style of play is going to take time and has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to run an arbitrary conditioning test.

As for him talking with Marc Spears, he knows him from his time playing in Philly and Denver, whomever initiated the interview is pretty meaningless, but its clear Miller trusts him more than he does the group at the Oregonian who seem much more interested in embarrassing him and calling into question his off-court personal habits.
 
I dont blame Miller for being a little pissed about the conditioning test results being made public. Make it public AFTER all the players have passed the test with a simple article saying that everyone has passed it and leave out the details of how many times it took each player to pass it.
 
Miller is just being honest. He was asked if he would have signed here if he had known he was going to be a backup, and he said no. He wouldn't have signed here. Quite frankly I can't blame him.

Well then Miller obviously has a hearing Problem. Does any of us have a reason to doubt Nate when he said that while in Vegas having dinner with Miller he explained to Miller that he could very well come off of the bench in Portland? If he does not have a hearing problem then he may have over rated his abilities, under rated Blakes abilities or something in between.

The fact is, Miller knew it was a possibility he could come off of the bench in Portland. He signed anyways. Why? Maybe Portland was the only team with interest in his services. Maybe Portland was the highest bidder. At this point it does not matter to me because his statements say he is a liar. He is more concerned with starting than winning. That is a slap in the face to our guys that have been here for the rebuild and have sacrificed. Miller can go start on a mediocre team. Good bye and I hope we can find a replacement that is willing to compete with Steve Blake and hopefully beat him out and if not keep his mouth shut and come off of the bench.
 
I dont blame Miller for being a little pissed about the conditioning test results being made public. Make it public AFTER all the players have passed the test with a simple article saying that everyone has passed it and leave out the details of how many times it took each player to pass it.

How many years in a row has the conditioning test been made public? However I must admit I was surprised at how they specifically pointed out that Miller was the only player with a guaranteed contract to not pass the test.
 
I would like to point out that Miller could have quashed all of this crap had he just put in a little work over the off season and come into camp in shape.
10 seasons * 82 games = 820 total games possible... he's missed 3 of those due to injury

3 / 820 = that he's been healthy 99.97% of the time which is much better then any other Blazer

Dude is a proven workhorse who knows how to take care of himself. Nate's little test is (according to him) for guys to gauge where they are at with their physical fitness, and quite obviously this isn't a concern with Andre.

STOMP
 
How many years in a row has the conditioning test been made public? However I must admit I was surprised at how they specifically pointed out that Miller was the only player with a guaranteed contract to not pass the test.

Not sure, but I remember reading somewhere that in years past it took Outlaw several attempts to pass it.
 
Well then Miller obviously has a hearing Problem. Does any of us have a reason to doubt Nate when he said that while in Vegas having dinner with Miller he explained to Miller that he could very well come off of the bench in Portland? If he does not have a hearing problem then he may have over rated his abilities, under rated Blakes abilities or something in between.

The fact is, Miller knew it was a possibility he could come off of the bench in Portland. He signed anyways. Why? Maybe Portland was the only team with interest in his services. Maybe Portland was the highest bidder. At this point it does not matter to me because his statements say he is a liar. He is more concerned with starting than winning. That is a slap in the face to our guys that have been here for the rebuild and have sacrificed. Miller can go start on a mediocre team. Good bye and I hope we can find a replacement that is willing to compete with Steve Blake and hopefully beat him out and if not keep his mouth shut and come off of the bench.

When I first read his quote, this is the impression I had.

But after reading more, it seems to me that his quote was addressing the idea that if he had been told he would absolutely be coming off the bench with no option for competing for the starting role, he would not have signed here. Which seems very reasonable to me.
 

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