Henacy
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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Henacy...the Nets quite simply are finished for the season. All the two year Nets fans are going to switch to whatever team their going to switch to because they know the Nets are down and out for the count. As for just waiting for the Nets to get into troubkle... for two decades the Knicks have owned the Nets, then the Nets get hot for two years and their this great franchise</div>
Fact of the matter is yes, the Knicks ran over the Nets for the past 2 decades but New York Knick fans cant stand taking a backseat to the Nets even for a short period of time. And it was killing them to see the Nets walk off with the Atlantic division title these last 3 seasons especially since they have been competive for the division title since the season after the lockout year.
And of course some people are going to leave the Nets as fans, thats what happens, when people think a team can no longer be competive it happen to the Bulls after MJ. Iam pretty sure even somepeople have stop being lakers fans with all their tradition & history, now that Shaq has come back east. So that still doesnt mean the Nets are not going to bring their competive fire every night because there are less fans in the stands.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Nets will do very poorly even in the weak Atlantic division.</div>
You tell me someone who will run away with the Atlantic division title & then I will con-seed to the Nets finishing pooorly in the division. Until then lets just see how the games play out. OK?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Heart and Experience???</div>
Yeah, you know heart something that you gain by recovering from giving up a 23 point 4th quarter lead to a Celtics team many had beating you before the series ever starter in 2002 playoffs. Something that you gain from bouncing back after to blow outs in Detroit to take the eventual world champs to 7 games last year in the playoffs. Somethings guys like Tim Thomas etc have never shown a day in their NBA careers.
Experience also comes with going thru deep playoff run & after playoffs. Knowing how to pull out games you arent surpose to win= exeperience, something that the Nets have & the current Knicks dont have as a collective group together.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Sorry but teams wont be afraid of Aaron Williams in the low post.</div>
Where did I say that teams where going to be afraid of Aaron Williams in the low block??hmmm....fact of the matter still remains Aaron Williams wont be afraid the KG's or the Ducan's either. He is still going to bring him competive nature every single night, & thats what heart/character is all about. Not putting fear into people, its about putting the competive foot forward against people that everybody feels you should be afraid of....
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Or afraid of Richard Jefferson without Kidd, K mart and Kittles running alongside him.</div>
Richard Jefferson proved to be pretty darn successful the last month of last season without Martin & kidd. He proved to be pretty darn succesful during the playoffs last year with kidd playing well below his normal standards. So I think RJ will be just fine with Kidd out for the 1st month or so.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kidd at the earliest will be back by December. You cant even compare the Nets to the Knicks. The Nets have nothing. It hurts I know. The Raptors are better than the Nets and I dont think too highly of them either. The 76'rs and Celtics are better than the Nets as well. Time to face the facts...it's pretty much over. The days of Kenyon Martin leaping up and dunking a ball that was lobbed up to him by Jason Kidd right after he faked the pass left to Richard Jefferson is over. The Nets are dead and good riddance. May they become the Clippers of the Eastern Conference.</div>
What do the Knicks have to the point you can say "dont compare", come on now I think you are a bit de-illusional about the talent you have on your Knicks squad. You have a solid team & that is it my friend. You have a spot up shooter running around on one knee. You have a point guard, who has all the talent in the world but still lacks the key instincts to bring a team together to win games. You have a 60 million dollar shot happy back up guard, who the Bulls & GM Paxson didnt realistically even want because his style of play is a team concept killer. And those are the strong points of your Knicks.
You still have a lack luster frontcourt even by eastern conference standards, you are extremely overatted with Tim Thomas at the small forward. Kurt Thomas is solid at the 4 spot, but nothing that will come close to being a difference maker along the frontline. And your center spot is pretty much lame with Nazr Mohammod, who all you can possibly expect from him is to produce a few boards a game.
And everybody says the Knicks have depth but the question, you need to ask your self is it positive depth? you have Vin Baker, who is on a game to game edge every single season, dont believe me ask Celtic fans about what happen there. You have Shandon Anderson who the team is having trouble buying out. And is already fueding with upper management, potentially causing team chemisty problems, & penny Hardaway who is just an injury waiting to happen. A talented but extremely inexperienced Mike Sweetny. And a 3rd or 4th string point guard making 3 million plus a year, & probably wont be happy not being apart of the evry game rotations.
So please feel free to remind me what is so special about the Knicks that they dont compare to the Nets because they are so far superior? I must have missed it.
The Knicks backcourt on paper makes them seem like alot better team then they really are? And the fact of the matter still remains we dont know how Jamal Crawford, Allan Houston or even Tim Thomas is going to react to not being on the floor in the 4th quarter on a regular basis. See everybody is debating on who will be the starters but real players dont care about that, they care about being in the game in the 4th quarter every single night. And the problems is that just isnt possible to have tim Thomas, Allan Houston & Jamal Crawford all on the floor together going down the stretch of games. Which means some big egos will be hurting next year, which could make for some problems from guys who arent use to adjusting to smaller roles.
So lets see how the Knicks mix of players works out before we start thinking they are something special as a complete unit.
Fact of the matter is yes, the Knicks ran over the Nets for the past 2 decades but New York Knick fans cant stand taking a backseat to the Nets even for a short period of time. And it was killing them to see the Nets walk off with the Atlantic division title these last 3 seasons especially since they have been competive for the division title since the season after the lockout year.
And of course some people are going to leave the Nets as fans, thats what happens, when people think a team can no longer be competive it happen to the Bulls after MJ. Iam pretty sure even somepeople have stop being lakers fans with all their tradition & history, now that Shaq has come back east. So that still doesnt mean the Nets are not going to bring their competive fire every night because there are less fans in the stands.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Nets will do very poorly even in the weak Atlantic division.</div>
You tell me someone who will run away with the Atlantic division title & then I will con-seed to the Nets finishing pooorly in the division. Until then lets just see how the games play out. OK?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Heart and Experience???</div>
Yeah, you know heart something that you gain by recovering from giving up a 23 point 4th quarter lead to a Celtics team many had beating you before the series ever starter in 2002 playoffs. Something that you gain from bouncing back after to blow outs in Detroit to take the eventual world champs to 7 games last year in the playoffs. Somethings guys like Tim Thomas etc have never shown a day in their NBA careers.
Experience also comes with going thru deep playoff run & after playoffs. Knowing how to pull out games you arent surpose to win= exeperience, something that the Nets have & the current Knicks dont have as a collective group together.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Sorry but teams wont be afraid of Aaron Williams in the low post.</div>
Where did I say that teams where going to be afraid of Aaron Williams in the low block??hmmm....fact of the matter still remains Aaron Williams wont be afraid the KG's or the Ducan's either. He is still going to bring him competive nature every single night, & thats what heart/character is all about. Not putting fear into people, its about putting the competive foot forward against people that everybody feels you should be afraid of....
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Or afraid of Richard Jefferson without Kidd, K mart and Kittles running alongside him.</div>
Richard Jefferson proved to be pretty darn successful the last month of last season without Martin & kidd. He proved to be pretty darn succesful during the playoffs last year with kidd playing well below his normal standards. So I think RJ will be just fine with Kidd out for the 1st month or so.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kidd at the earliest will be back by December. You cant even compare the Nets to the Knicks. The Nets have nothing. It hurts I know. The Raptors are better than the Nets and I dont think too highly of them either. The 76'rs and Celtics are better than the Nets as well. Time to face the facts...it's pretty much over. The days of Kenyon Martin leaping up and dunking a ball that was lobbed up to him by Jason Kidd right after he faked the pass left to Richard Jefferson is over. The Nets are dead and good riddance. May they become the Clippers of the Eastern Conference.</div>
What do the Knicks have to the point you can say "dont compare", come on now I think you are a bit de-illusional about the talent you have on your Knicks squad. You have a solid team & that is it my friend. You have a spot up shooter running around on one knee. You have a point guard, who has all the talent in the world but still lacks the key instincts to bring a team together to win games. You have a 60 million dollar shot happy back up guard, who the Bulls & GM Paxson didnt realistically even want because his style of play is a team concept killer. And those are the strong points of your Knicks.
You still have a lack luster frontcourt even by eastern conference standards, you are extremely overatted with Tim Thomas at the small forward. Kurt Thomas is solid at the 4 spot, but nothing that will come close to being a difference maker along the frontline. And your center spot is pretty much lame with Nazr Mohammod, who all you can possibly expect from him is to produce a few boards a game.
And everybody says the Knicks have depth but the question, you need to ask your self is it positive depth? you have Vin Baker, who is on a game to game edge every single season, dont believe me ask Celtic fans about what happen there. You have Shandon Anderson who the team is having trouble buying out. And is already fueding with upper management, potentially causing team chemisty problems, & penny Hardaway who is just an injury waiting to happen. A talented but extremely inexperienced Mike Sweetny. And a 3rd or 4th string point guard making 3 million plus a year, & probably wont be happy not being apart of the evry game rotations.
So please feel free to remind me what is so special about the Knicks that they dont compare to the Nets because they are so far superior? I must have missed it.
The Knicks backcourt on paper makes them seem like alot better team then they really are? And the fact of the matter still remains we dont know how Jamal Crawford, Allan Houston or even Tim Thomas is going to react to not being on the floor in the 4th quarter on a regular basis. See everybody is debating on who will be the starters but real players dont care about that, they care about being in the game in the 4th quarter every single night. And the problems is that just isnt possible to have tim Thomas, Allan Houston & Jamal Crawford all on the floor together going down the stretch of games. Which means some big egos will be hurting next year, which could make for some problems from guys who arent use to adjusting to smaller roles.
So lets see how the Knicks mix of players works out before we start thinking they are something special as a complete unit.