The Raptors should be an example to us of how to build a better team

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e_blazer said:
No need to sigh, I hear you. That’s the way it’s supposed to work, but once in awhile things don’t go as planned. If the post guy isn’t in a position to receive a clean pass, is it better to have other good shooters or poor ones to pass to? That’s all I’m saying.
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Effective pre-play motion should always be able to free up a high post entry. If not, theres many other kinds of motions that can be run other than high pick n roll. The Warriors started effectively scoring agaimst our trap with Iggy and Draymond as forwards, who are worse shooters than Moe and Aminu. Thats why I wont buy the forwards excuse. It can be gameplanned for.
 
BonesJones said:
Effective pre-play motion should always be able to free up a high post entry. If not, theres many other kinds of motions that can be run other than high pick n roll. The Warriors started effectively scoring agaimst our trap with Iggy and Draymond as forwards, who are worse shooters than Moe and Aminu. Thats why I wont buy the forwards excuse. It can be gameplanned for.
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The real problem with Moe and Aminu is they are bad at putting the ball on the floor and making decisions off the dribble. If they get the ball and a shot isnt immediately available they end up just kind of doing nothing...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
The real problem with Moe and Aminu is they are bad at putting the ball on the floor and making decisions off the dribble. If they get the ball and a shot isnt immediately available they end up just kind of doing nothing...
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Aminu isn't though. He improved a lot this year. Hes not Iggy or Draymond good but still... Get those guys slashing and to the rim. Create gravity on their cuts by freeing them up enough im creative structure, or by coaching guys how to properly freelance. Use that gravity to create other things on the floor putting other players in positions of strength that they can score out of.
 
BonesJones said:
Aminu isn't though. He improved a lot this year. Hes not Iggy or Draymond good but still... Get those guys slashing and to the rim. Create gravity on their cuts by freeing them up enough im creative structure, or by coaching guys how to properly freelance. Use that gravity to create other things on the floor putting other players in positions of strength that they can score out of.
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Aminu got better at dribbling, but it seemed like if he put the ball down he didn't pass much out of it.
 
BonesJones said:
We had those three but no Nurk. Nurk is the difference between a sweep and a championship right? So we weren't worse off with Nurkic last year, compared to not having him this year but having Hood, Curry, and Kanter instead. That's your logic.

Another thing I take from this is that you dont think losing Nurkic was a major source of motivation and inspiration for the team.

You're the one trying to talk in hypotheticals.

But fine, I'll play along. If Nurk played, we wouldve swept the playoffs, and Terry is the greatest coach ever. Go team!
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Kanter was non existent after the OKC series.
 
I am super happy that the Raptors won but it takes a lot of luck to beat GS. They got all the luck they needed (and it was a lot). Both teams at full-strength and the Warriors win the series easily.

So yes the gamble paid off for them. And yes we should take a chance if we can. But no that doesn't mean the gamble will pay off for us. In fact it is very unlikely that we get all the breaks that they needed to win.
 
HailBlazers said:
That the best team in the East would win a chip after adding the best player in the NBA? Big Ups
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LOL I didn't see anyone else predicting a Raptors championship before this series started. Hook me up with a link my dude.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I am super happy that the Raptors won but it takes a lot of luck to beat GS. They got all the luck they needed (and it was a lot). Both teams at full-strength and the Warriors win the series easily.

So yes the gamble paid off for them. And yes we should take a chance if we can. But no that doesn't mean the gamble will pay off for us. In fact it is very unlikely that we get all the breaks that they needed to win.
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Yeah, the strategy is, we too can compete for a championship if teams are missing 2 of their best 3 players lol.
 
OneSport3 said:
That's why you play the games. You never know what will happen. The 2015 Warriors will still be champions even though Kyrie and Kevin Love didn't play.
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Exactly. You never know. There were so many myth busters in this playoffs. Fan said why try to compete against a dynasty when you know you can't beat them. Well injury's do happen. ( and not by just the little non physical guys that some suggested)
Fans also said you can't win with a short back court, yet Lowery and VanFleet were on the floor together in crunch time.
Fans said you can't win without high lottery picks. Did Toronto have any?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Exactly. You never know. There were so many myth busters in this playoffs. Fan said why try to compete against a dynasty when you know you can't beat them. Well injury's do happen. ( and not by just the little non physical guys that some suggested)
Fans also said you can't win with a short back court, yet Lowery and VanFleet were on the floor together in crunch time.
Fans said you can't win without high lottery picks. Did Toronto have any?
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Hey Im all for the Blazers making a move like Toronto did, but at the same time it in no way means the Blazers win a ring.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Hey Im all for the Blazers making a move like Toronto did, but at the same time it in no way means the Blazers win a ring.
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I agree. I am saying keepy our self in a good position because you never know. The Raptors have made the playoffs 9 straight year. Blowing it up did not get them where they are. Although I think they will suck next year when Kawhi leaves
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree. I am saying keepy our self in a good position because you never know. The Raptors have made the playoffs 9 straight year. Blowing it up did not get them where they are. Although I think they will suck next year when Kawhi leaves
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I think the Raptors still will be good even presuming they lose Kawhi. That's a deep team. Their scouting department has found diamonds in the rough like Siakam and Van Vleet. They aren't going to replace Kawhi, but they still should be a major player in the East for at least another couple of years.

Obviously, Milwaukee becomes the team to beat. I think Brooklyn is well-positioned to take a big step up with its cap room coming off the season it had. Boston probably takes a step back. Miami COULD make a move forward. Sixers still should be good, although they've still got some big questions to be addressed and I have big doubts about their chemistry. Depending on what Atlanta does with its assets, the Hawks are a darkhorse that probably becomes a major force in two years.

But, yeah, I see the Raptors still being in contention for a top four seed in the East next year, Kawhi or not.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think the Raptors still will be good even presuming they lose Kawhi. That's a deep team. Their scouting department has found diamonds in the rough like Siakam and Van Vleet. They aren't going to replace Kawhi, but they still should be a major player in the East for at least another couple of years.

Obviously, Milwaukee becomes the team to beat. I think Brooklyn is well-positioned to take a big step up with its cap room coming off the season it had. Boston probably takes a step back. Miami COULD make a move forward. Sixers still should be good, although they've still got some big questions to be addressed and I have big doubts about their chemistry. Depending on what Atlanta does with its assets, the Hawks are a darkhorse that probably becomes a major force in two years.

But, yeah, I see the Raptors still being in contention for a top four seed in the East next year, Kawhi or not.
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If Olidipo comes back strong next year Indy’s pretty good too.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think the Raptors still will be good even presuming they lose Kawhi. That's a deep team. Their scouting department has found diamonds in the rough like Siakam and Van Vleet. They aren't going to replace Kawhi, but they still should be a major player in the East for at least another couple of years.

Obviously, Milwaukee becomes the team to beat. I think Brooklyn is well-positioned to take a big step up with its cap room coming off the season it had. Boston probably takes a step back. Miami COULD make a move forward. Sixers still should be good, although they've still got some big questions to be addressed and I have big doubts about their chemistry. Depending on what Atlanta does with its assets, the Hawks are a darkhorse that probably becomes a major force in two years.

But, yeah, I see the Raptors still being in contention for a top four seed in the East next year, Kawhi or not.
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I don't see it. By the playoffs Gasol will be 35, Lowry 34, Green 33, Ibaka 30. They will have Anunoby and Siakam and Van Fleet, and Powell.
I guess they will make the playoffs but definitely no Kawhi IMO. First round exit.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't see it. By the playoffs Gasol will be 35, Lowry 34, Green 33, Ibaka 30. They will have Anunoby and Siakam and Van Fleet, and Powell.
I guess they will make the playoffs but definitely no Kawhi IMO. First round exit.
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And all those guys you mentioned still were effective this season. Lowry and Ibaka were very, very good. They'll be better than fine. They aren't playing in the West. Even if they were, I think they'd be competitive.
 
Why is everyone assuming they lose Kawhi? Because of the national media? The same media that guaranteed PG going to LA and said Dame was getting traded there last summer?
 
BonesJones said:
Why is everyone assuming they lose Kawhi? Because of the national media? The same media that guaranteed PG going to LA and said Dame was getting traded there last summer?
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Honestly, I think part of it is jealousy. They succeeded with a gameplan Portland would never use.
 
BonesJones said:
Why is everyone assuming they lose Kawhi? Because of the national media? The same media that guaranteed PG going to LA and said Dame was getting traded there last summer?
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Well I guess he could sign for the max in Toronto and make sure he has some opt out clauses. I just don't see him staying in Toronto another 5 years.
But I would be very happy if he stays out of LA for a few years.
 
What gets lost in the Raptor model is how deep they are. They could play 8-10 LEGIT players for solid rotation minutes in every playoff game. Usually, a trade for a top 10 player would deplete the team of assets, but the Raps still had enough for a solid bench.
 
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