The Ringer: CJ for Aaron Gordon

[hoopsjock]

Brogdon is so great. He has scored all but two of his free throws this season (over 98% I believe) is and is such an intelligent player. Bucks can match any offer he gets though and unless he gets something crazy like $60million for three years (a team like Atlanta or Kings could do it) they will match anything. I think Milwaukee will want to keep their entire core.

Yeah Brogdon is going to be tough to get. I think 4 years, 80 million isn't super outrageous and would still be cheaper than CJ was. The Bucks have Middleton, Brogdon, Lopez, Eric Bledsoe, and George Hill all as free agents. They might have a tough time picking and choosing which ones. Middleton might be the most "gettable" considering he's a UFA.

Maybe you offer Middleton first and if he re-signed with the Bucks make a big offer for Brogdon and force them to match a 2nd big offer. A little bit of that will come down to how they finish the season. If it ended abruptly like with us in 2015, it could change their course.

 

[LayneStaley]

It sounds like they aren't interested as much in Gordon for CJ but would rather move lesser parts and include a Draft pick of which they have one 1st and two 2nd round additional picks in addition to their own between now and 2020.

@hoopsjock was correct in his interpretation but now I can't find his interpretive post. The Ringer was just a story of what a writer thought would make sense. Knowing Orlando would like to make some changes, I reached out to someone who is in the loop for certain trade discussions around the league. He indicated the above....that ORL would likely be interested in CJ but with a 1st round pick as the main piece coming back to Portland along with possibly a lesser piece or two for talent.

I’ll take Isaac/Orl 1st for CJ right now. Salaries don’t match but hey.

 

[hoopsjock]

I cant really divulge everything. I would if I could.

Aw crap, Olshey got to True Blazer Fan too?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Am I reading this thread correctly that the suggestion is now that Orlando would desire to trade both a top 10 center and a top ten pick for CJ? That seems like a very high price for them to pay.

 

[Scalma]

Am I reading this thread correctly that the suggestion is now that Orlando would desire to trade both a top 10 center and a top ten pick for CJ? That seems like a very high price for them to pay.

A center they have no control over in a few months.

 

[hoopsjock]

Am I reading this thread correctly that the suggestion is now that Orlando would desire to trade both a top 10 center and a top ten pick for CJ? That seems like a very high price for them to pay.

No, they would prefer to trade "lesser" parts than Gordon and instead use their pick as the main piece in the trade. The problem is without including Vucevic there are nothing but bad contracts to make it work.

 

[DollaBel]

Gordon aint good, and is getting paid too much. Definitely wouldn’t give up CJ for him, this is trading for the sake of it

 

[Pridan]

I like the idea of what Gordon 'could' be. If they were interested in giving up Isaac for CJ, I'd do that in a heartbeat. We'd need to make salaries match but Isaac is dripping in potential.

 

[HailBlazers]

Yeah, no way that happens during the season. I’d love to be wrong though.

So you're one of those people who literally thinks Olshey sits on his hands all day everyday?

 

[Scalma]

So you're one of those people who literally thinks Olshey sits on his hands all day everyday?

Because he won’t trade CJ?

 

[HailBlazers]

Because he won’t trade CJ?

Oh sorry I thought you meant there was no way he would talk to other teams about it.

 

[TBpup]

So you're one of those people who literally thinks Olshey sits on his hands all day everyday?

To clarify, sits on his hands while being valeted around town.

 

[Sarni]

Yeah Brogdon is going to be tough to get. I think 4 years, 80 million isn't super outrageous and would still be cheaper than CJ was. The Bucks have Middleton, Brogdon, Lopez, Eric Bledsoe, and George Hill all as free agents. They might have a tough time picking and choosing which ones. Middleton might be the most "gettable" considering he's a UFA.

Maybe you offer Middleton first and if he re-signed with the Bucks make a big offer for Brogdon and force them to match a 2nd big offer. A little bit of that will come down to how they finish the season. If it ended abruptly like with us in 2015, it could change their course.

Middleton will be swimming in offers though I think. He'll be the fallback option for teams like Clippers, Dallas and Nets who will try to get elite free agents but might struggle, he will probably also be top of the list for Kings. He will get a max.

 

[BonesJones]

I like the idea of what Gordon 'could' be. If they were interested in giving up Isaac for CJ, I'd do that in a heartbeat. We'd need to make salaries match but Isaac is dripping in potential.

Isaac doesnt have that "it" factor.

 

[LayneStaley]

Isaac doesnt have that "it" factor.

Curious, does CJ have the “it” factor?
I wanted Issac so bad when he came out and still think the 21 year old could be a star with the right grooming and leadership around him. I don’t really see anyway a trade with Isaac and CJ in it could work but if I had the option of Gordon plus peices or Isaac plus peices for CJ id take the latter.

 

[BonesJones]

Curious, does CJ have the “it” factor?
I wanted Issac so bad when he came out and still think the 21 year old could be a star with the right grooming and leadership around him. I don’t really see anyway a trade with Isaac and CJ in it could work but if I had the option of Gordon plus peices or Isaac plus peices for CJ id take the latter.

CJ has it a lot more than Isaac does. He has a lot of potential that'll remain unfulfilled, much like Andrew Wiggins.

 

[BonesJones]

If he gets traded, I'm guessing itll be something like Gordon to BKN for Crabbe, Napier, Kurucs, and a first.

 

[LayneStaley]

CJ has it a lot more than Isaac does. He has a lot of potential that'll remain unfulfilled, much like Andrew Wiggins.

I guess I can see that possibility, it’s just hard for me to close the book on a barely 21 year old kid with all his tools, I mean lots of us say Collins will be a beast some day and he’s the same age as Isaac.

 

[DollaBel]

If he gets traded, I'm guessing itll be something like Gordon to BKN for Crabbe, Napier, Kurucs, and a first.

I think BKN likes Kurucs too much as well as their cap flexibility. Honestly its entirely possible Kurucs becomes what Gordon already is, Nets aren’t being run by clueless people anymore

 

[BonesJones]

I think BKN likes Kurucs too much as well as their cap flexibility. Honestly its entirely possible Kurucs becomes what Gordon already is, Nets aren’t being run by clueless people anymore

Cap flexibility? They're trading Crabbe for Gordon. Doesnt hurt flexibility at all.

 

[Sarni]

I think BKN likes Kurucs too much as well as their cap flexibility. Honestly its entirely possible Kurucs becomes what Gordon already is, Nets aren’t being run by clueless people anymore

Nets are probably the best run franchise in the league now. They've picked so well in the draft (LeVert, Allen, Kurucs are all very good), picked up some bargain talent (Dinwiddie), managed to get a good player AND a pick for absorbing his contract (Carroll) and the only blemish on their record is taking Crabbe's contract - which I reckon they might waive and stretch in the Summer anyway. They got some bargains in free agency as well (Ed).

 

[Sarni]

Cap flexibility? They're trading Crabbe for Gordon. Doesnt hurt flexibility at all.

Crabbe expires next year though. Then again Gordon has a descending deal so will be like $16.5million at the end of it.

I think they'll make a play for Harris first, then Mirotic, and then maybe move for Gordon. They won't include Kurucs in any kind of deal.

 

[BonesJones]

Crabbe expires next year though. Then again Gordon has a descending deal so will be like $16.5million at the end of it.

I think they'll make a play for Harris first, then Mirotic, and then maybe move for Gordon. They won't include Kurucs in any kind of deal.

They want their flexibility for next summer. They're not going to refuse to trade a bad contract for what theyd likely view as a good young piece at a position of need because of cap space 2 summers from now.

 

[Sarni]

They want their flexibility for next summer. They're not going to recuse to trade a bad contract for what theyd likely view as a good young piece at a position of need because of cap space 2 summers from now.

Possibly. LeVert is up for extension next year anyway.

I totally forgot about Joe Harris. Also awesome contract and a cool player.

Thier contracts for next year:

Dinwiddie $10.6million
Joe Harris $7.7million
LeVert $2.6million
Allen $2.4million
Kurucs $1.7million
Musa $2million
Graham $1.65million

Total = $28.5million for 7 useful players

The $18.5million elephant in the room deal for Crabbe and they need to re-sign Russell. If DLo takes a team friendly deal ($15million?) and they can somehow get out of Crabbe's deal they could be a player in free agency. They will have room for 1 max player anyway, I hope they don't use it to get Jimmy Butler as that would be a waste.

Marcus Morris is another player they would probably have ahead of Aaron Gordon BTW. He'll likely not get more than $12million per year.

 

[hoopsjock]

Middleton will be swimming in offers though I think. He'll be the fallback option for teams like Clippers, Dallas and Nets who will try to get elite free agents but might struggle, he will probably also be top of the list for Kings. He will get a max.

That is why I'm saying for him to be our first contact. Some of those other teams have dreams of landing Durant or Kawhi. If we showed Middleton love right away and made it clear he wasn't a fallback option for us like with those other teams then we have an outside shot. It's probably still not great but that's what I'd try in that scenario.