Politics The RNC convention that even fewer people watched

[riverman]

It's not about like or dislike with me. It's about trust. And when I have seen Barrack Obama's lies, I can't trust him anymore than I can trust any other liar.

So you are discounting the current convention speakers because of your own bias against Barack Obama....that's not based on the convention speeches...it's just proving you are anti Obama at any cause....nobody lied to you in the democratic convention but you'd have to watch to know that...choices. There is a liar in the race and it's not either Obama. At any rate you missed some brilliant speeches...heartfelt and empathetic speeches...I found them impressive across the board.....can't say that about the GOP speeches I listened to...to each their own

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So you are discounting the current convention speakers because of your own bias against Barack Obama....that's not based on the convention speeches...it's just proving you are anti Obama at any cause....nobody lied to you in the democratic convention but you'd have to watch to know that...choices. There is a liar in the race and it's not either Obama. At any rate you missed some brilliant speeches...heartfelt and empathetic speeches...I found them impressive across the board.....can't say that about the GOP speeches I listened to...to each their own

You only think all that because of your own bias'... You can google search and find tons of articles about lies from the DNC, people generally will just say it's right-wing propaganda, or dismiss it because of the 'sources' of those articles. Just like the right does when the GOP lies, but myself included everyone in this thread has bias' in regards to what information they'll accept and what they won't.

This is a really interesting study/poll.
https://www.journalism.org/2020/03/...get-political-news-in-a-kind-of-media-bubble/

People tend to get into a bubble with their news, which means people aren't challenged to think much and our brains like it that way, we'd rather be told what to think. I'm no better at times. I watched most of the DNC campaign and I feel like I didn't at all get heartfelt empathetic speeches. I got platitudes and Trump is bad, but that's my own bias' speaking.

 

[riverman]

You only think all that because of your own bias'

My political opinon is fully formed...call it bias...I call it being informed. I'm not a democrat....don't like Chuck Schumer at all personally but I do like Obama and his compromises as president without the legislative branch majority during his presidency are politics 101....give and take... fact is it doesn't matter why I think the Obamas were truthful stumping for Joe in the convention...it's enough that I didn't sense I was being lied to....now with Trump, I'm being lied to....that's not bias...that's informed observation. I understand you might not have a fully informed opinion about the candidates for president. That's fine...but I do...and not for partisan reasons but for damage control reasons....Trump is dangerous to the constitution ...if you don't care about that...understand that I do...please try to not to paint my politics as shallow or uniformed just because they're anti GOP and Trump....there's a reason I've arrived at my convictions...you are welcome to explore your own options

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

My political opinon is fully formed...call it bias...I call it being informed. I'm not a democrat....don't like Chuck Schumer at all personally but I do like Obama and his compromises as president without the legislative branch majority during his presidency are politics 101....give and take... fact is it doesn't matter why I think the Obamas were truthful stumping for Joe in the convention...it's enough that I didn't sense I was being lied to....now with Trump, I'm being lied to....that's not bias...that's informed observation

We all have bias' and the older we get the more stubborn our bias' are. I'm not knocking you that just how the brain works.
As we age we are also more hard-wired to believe certain sources and not to believe other sources. It's actually in many ways a good thing for our survival. I would agree Trump lies a lot. Also so does Michelle and Barack. Bias' are usually formed by some sort of evidence to make our brains start to believe something. Informed observations are part of what makes bias' for everyone.
My political opinion is mostly formed too, doesn't mean I lack bias.

 

[Road Ratt]

So you are discounting the current convention speakers because of your own bias against Barack Obama....

It's not bias. It's knowledge.

I used to be biased back when I watched CNN, MSNBC and Fox years ago. My perspectives have shifted a dozen times or more in the last 6 years. Now I see the media as truly biased, as it is.

I am not certain I could ever get anyone to my perspective due to my social problems. But, that is alright.

 

[riverman]

people aren't challenged to think much and our brains like it that way,

bullshit...the country is extremely challenged to think about some serious consequences right now....and it's not about the gross national product....it's about our democracy and safety as a nation ....I listened to the GOP last night...again they proved my intincts to be correct. Editorials are opinions...they're everywhere...and that can be misleading...people's words are pretty telling...Trump talks alot...just listen to him

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

bullshit...the country is extremely challenged to think about some serious consequences right now....and it's not about the gross national product....it's about our democracy and safety as a nation ....I listened to the GOP last night...again they proved my intincts to be correct. Editorials are opinions...they're everywhere...and that can be misleading...people's words are pretty telling...Trump talks alot...just listen to him

Hey look you can take a comment out of context and build a strawman.
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except you didn't even bother to take a whole sentence just part of it. lol

 

[riverman]

It's not bias. It's knowledge.

I used to be biased back when I watched CNN, MSNBC and Fox years ago. My perspectives have shifted a dozen times or more in the last 6 years. Now I see the media as truly biased, as it is.

I am not certain I could ever get anyone to my perspective due to my social problems. But, that is alright.

you didn't listen to the convention so it's absolutely your bias and not knowledge....welcome to 2020 and the pandemic era of politics...the game has changed. This is not 6 years ago...I know Trump is a compulsive liar but I still listened to their convention too

 

[Lanny]

I watched maybe 1/2 hour of the dem convention and 10 mins of the repub convention. Didnt leave me feeling optimistic about any form of unity, unless you sell your soul to one side or the other. Kind of gives me the same feeling I have about church denominations where each one thinks they are the bride and any others are frauds.

I probably watched a total of about an hour and a half of the Democratic convention over it's four days and have watched zero of the lackluster Republican convention with no plans to watch any of it. I have no desire to watch the likes of junior, the human weasel.

 

[riverman]

Hey look you can take a comment out of context and build a strawman.
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except you didn't even bother to take a whole sentence just part of it. lol

you don't agree with my opinion but rather than offer one, you tell me what I'm not bothering to do? ok.......read through my posts on this thread...I'm not building anything, I'm commenting on current events....you can wander into abstraction about it all day....ask me a question, I'll give you an answer....simple....when you asked if Puerto Rico was American or Latin American I answered you and you went off on how disgruntled Puerto Ricans are with their situation......go figure..you needed for some reason for the answer to be something it's not....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

My political opinon is fully formed...call it bias...I call it being informed. I'm not a democrat....don't like Chuck Schumer at all personally but I do like Obama and his compromises as president without the legislative branch majority during his presidency are politics 101....give and take... fact is it doesn't matter why I think the Obamas were truthful stumping for Joe in the convention...it's enough that I didn't sense I was being lied to....now with Trump, I'm being lied to....that's not bias...that's informed observation. I understand you might not have a fully informed opinion about the candidates for president. That's fine...but I do...and not for partisan reasons but for damage control reasons....Trump is dangerous to the constitution ...if you don't care about that...understand that I do...please try to not to paint my politics as shallow or uniformed just because they're anti GOP and Trump....there's a reason I've arrived at my convictions...you are welcome to explore your own options

Ironic that you're accusing me of not having a fully informed opinion on the candidates, and you do because you said so. I didn't say you're views are biased because of they are anti-gop or Trump, I said their bias because all of us have biased views.

 

[riverman]

Ironic that you're accusing me of not having a fully informed opinion on the candidates, and you do because you said so. I didn't say you're views are biased because of they are anti-gop or Trump, I said their bias because all of us have biased views.

I've addressed that already...nothing ironic about it. I didn't accuse you of not having fully formed opinions....I said if you don't, it's ok but don't confuse bias with convictions...it's the language you are harping on, not the substance. Bring on the vote....I'm ready

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

you don't agree with my opinion but rather than offer one, you tell me what I'm not bothering to do? ok.......read through my posts on this thread...I'm not building anything, I'm commenting on current events....you can wander into abstraction about it all day....ask me a question, I'll give you an answer....simple....when you asked if Puerto Rico was American or Latin American I answered you and you went off on how disgruntled Puerto Ricans are with their situation......go figure..you needed for some reason for the answer to be something it's not....

Well actually the Puerto Rico thing had nothing to do with you and you butted in to tell me how simple it is that they were citizens. HCP asked a question and I said, I wasn't sure about Puerto Rico / US ties and went and looked, and you went into how it is simple their citizens and that's it. I asked what Puerto Rican's thought, not about what the US thinks their status is. So no you didn't answer my question at all, because if the US considered them citizens wasn't the question.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I've addressed that already...nothing ironic about it. I didn't accuse you of not having fully formed opinions....I said if you don't, it's ok but don't confuse bias with convictions...it's the language you are harping on, not the substance. Bring on the vote....I'm ready

I've said a bunch of times I want neither candidate as president so that seems like I have an idea what my convictions are.
I've even said who I'm voting for numerous times too.

 

[riverman]

you butted in to tell me how simple it is

I posted an opinion..and an answer to a question you posed..interesting how you view that....pretty telling actually...private conversations people usually use DM mode...wasn't aware it was a private conversation or if you just find interacting with my views distastful...which is fine

 

[Road Ratt]

you didn't listen to the convention so it's absolutely your bias and not knowledge

I find it tiresome and boring, that seemingly intelligent and well intentioned posters always make things personal. Not as in a personal attack, per se, but rather as if I am the one who is missing the point or biased in some way, shape or form. We all know what we know. That is what we are suppose to be here "debating". Not critiquing each other online on... who we think is biased or not.

Please stop trying to tell me that I am wrong or biased. I could just as easily do the same, which gets us nowhere very fast.

 

[riverman]

I've said a bunch of times I want neither candidate as president so that seems like I have an idea what my convictions are.
I've even said who I'm voting for numerous times too.

And I said I didn't hear lies from Michelle Obamas speech.....that's where this started....then it ended up being we're all shallow bubble bound sheeple without broad views but I could find dirt on Obama if I looked for it....right

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I posted an opinion..and an answer to a question you posed..interesting how you view that....pretty telling actually...private conversations people usually use DM mode...wasn't aware it was a private conversation or if you just find interacting with my views distastful...which is fine

I didn't have a problem with you butting in, it wasn't a private conversation, and that probably isn't the right way to say it, but you didn't answer the question that was I was asking.

 

[riverman]

I find it tiresome and boring, that seemingly intelligent and well intentioned posters always make things personal. Not as in a personal attack, per se, but rather as if I am the one who is missing the point or biased in some way, shape or form. We all know what we know. That is what we are suppose to be here "debating". Not critiquing each other online on... who we think is biased or not.

Please stop trying to tell me that I am wrong or biased. I could just as easily do the same, which gets us nowhere very fast.

I'm not trying to insult you but when you don't watch a speech...you don't get to call the speaker a liar in my world....I recommend Michelle Obama's speech for all Americans to hear....I think it was important.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

And I said I didn't hear lies from Michelle Obamas speech.....that's where this started....then it ended up being we're all shallow bubble bound sheeple without broad views but I could find dirt on Obama if I looked for it....right

well that's not what I said, I said we all have bias' and that plays a role in how we receive information, and what information we accept or don't accept.

 

[Minstrel]

Both parties have some level of corruption--our system is set up for corruption. That is to say, it's extremely difficult to create any political system that is completely free from the corrupting influence of money (that's why Winston Churchill once said that democracy is the worst system of government other than all the other ones) but the American system of representative democracy is particularly easy to game with dollars.

Both parties are hypocritical when it advantages them, both parties lie about certain things and make distortion and obfuscation an art form. This is all true.

What is also true is that you're never going to have a political party that is capable of attaining and wielding any power that is free of that corruption, within our system (and, potentially within any system that we can currently imagine). So, if you want any say in who wields the power of government, you really don't get an option of "support corruption or support pure, virtuous nobility." Your only option is supporting the party who's priorities in the policies that they will consider (and some things neither party will truly consider) most match your own.

Or, you can sit it out entirely because politics is a dirty game no matter who plays. That's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint, though I think it would be a counterproductive one if most people chose that route. Fortunately, most people don't choose that route, freeing some people to do so.

 

[riverman]

I have problem with you butting in, it wasn't a private conversation, and that probably isn't the right way to say it, but you didn't answer the question that was I was asking.

Puerto Ricans are american citizens.....again....that's the answer I gave you....you have a problem with it...it's your problem not mine

 

[Orion Bailey]

LOL...

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Puerto Ricans are american citizens.....again....that's the answer I gave you....you have a problem with it...it's your problem not mine

I wouldn't pretend to know the answer to this but, Puerto Rico is unincorporated territory, do people living in Puerto Rico consider themselves part of the United States?
that was the original question. There are places all over the world considered 'citizens' of a 'bigger' country that the residents consider themselves indepedant or want to be independent. Thank you for your answer, but I was asking about what Puerto Rican's think in terms of their status with the United States. That was it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Both parties have some level of corruption--our system is set up for corruption. That is to say, it's extremely difficult to create any political system that is completely free from the corrupting influence of money (that's why Winston Churchill once said that democracy is the worst system of government other than all the other ones) but the American system of representative democracy is particularly easy to game with dollars.

Both parties are hypocritical when it advantages them, both parties lie about certain things and make distortion and obfuscation an art form. This is all true.

What is also true is that you're never going to have a political party that is capable of attaining and wielding any power that is free of that corruption, within our system (and, potentially within any system that we can currently imagine). So, if you want any say in who wields the power of government, you really don't get an option of "support corruption or support pure, virtuous nobility." Your only option is supporting the party who's priorities in the policies that they will consider (and some things neither party will truly consider) most match your own.

Or, you can sit it out entirely because politics is a dirty game no matter who plays. That's a perfectly reasonable viewpoint, though I think it would be a counterproductive one if most people chose that route. Fortunately, most people don't choose that route, freeing some people to do so.

I mostly agree with this. Though voting for bills, ballot measures, all that and voting third party isn't sitting out in my opinion, but I understand why others feel it is.

 

[riverman]

I wouldn't pretend to know the answer to this but, Puerto Rico is unincorporated territory, do people living in Puerto Rico consider themselves part of the United States?
that was the original question. There are places all over the world considered 'citizens' of a 'bigger' country that the residents consider themselves indepedant or want to be independent. Thank you for your answer, but I was asking about what Puerto Rican's think in terms of their status with the United States. That was it.

I answered that question too...they've never succeeded in voting for statehood yet....apparently they prefer the territorial status which gives them free movement within the states and the right to work .....

 

[Road Ratt]

I'm not trying to insult you but when you don't watch a speech...you don't get to call the speaker a liar in my world....I recommend Michelle Obama's speech for all Americans to hear....I think it was important.

And the democrats and republicans don't get to be corrupt together in my world.

Obama was already a liar as president, way before his speech. No need for me to ever watch a speech by either of the Obama's.

I think we are at an end here. Take it easy.

 

[riverman]

I think we are at an end here. Take it easy.

You as well....take it easy

 

[ABM]

You can't have an exploitable workforce if you don't find ways to continually exploit them.

So of course they shouldn't count.

If I were to exploit illegals, it would be to call to attention how they're undermining all those hard efforts of those who have managed to get here legally.

 

[barfo]

If I thought that every politician was irretrievably corrupt, I don't think I'd pay very much attention to politics.

It would be a bit like following the NBA if I hated basketball.

I was disappointed by night one of the RNC, not enough entertainment value. I hope they can do better tonight.

barfo