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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Take Donald Trump out of the DNC and you also have a massive hole. I think we as a country have an obsession...
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Donald Trump is the massive hole...and that's why the Lincoln project exists...it's conservatives who are saying, we've had enough lying trying to save their own party...if we are not obsessed with the truth about things like the cornona virus....what should we be obsessed with? Confederate statues? This is a damage control election and in my view...democracy is on the ballot vs authoritarionism...I've made my choice as have most americans by now....so let's vote already..as much as you may want a civil, intelligent campaign about issues...that's not possible with Trump. The surprise is how many haven't seen just how horrible his lack of dignity and leadership is.
 
Minstrel said:
The Republican convention just proved this scary fact about the GOP

The sign adorning the podium at the Andrew W. Mellon Auditorium -- where speaker after speaker addressed the nation on the first night of the Republican National Convention -- said it all. On top were the words "Trump 2020." Below them: "The GOP Convention."

Monday night's festivities were a remarkable demonstration of how the Republican Party at this moment is less a collection of like-minded people gathered around a set of common principles and much more a cult of personality built around the man one GOP delegate called "Donald J. President." Virtually every speaker -- Sen. Tim Scott was a notable exception -- dedicated at least some chunk of their speech to fawning praise of the President, often in terms that would make the average person blush.

I went through the transcripts of the speeches delivered on Monday night and pulled out some -- though not all! -- of the incredible language used to talk about the 45th president. Here are some examples:

  • "Trump is the bodyguard of Western civilization." (Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk)
  • "Once again, as the guardian of America, Donald Trump is shielding the innocent from the selfish ambition of the selfish elites." (Kirk)
  • "Donald Trump is a builder -- a visionary." (Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz)
  • "Donald Trump is hands-down the best president of my lifetime." (Congressional candidate Kim Klacik)
  • "Donald Trump truly moved mountains to save lives, and he deserves credit." (Dr. G.E. Ghali)
  • "Just imagine what 2020 would've looked like, fighting for your life, without Donald Trump fighting for it too." (Bone cancer survivor Natalie Harp)
  • "President Trump believes in you. He emancipates and lifts you up to live your American Dream." (Kimberly Guilfoyle)
  • "President Trump unleashed the economic might of this nation like no other president in our history." (Congressional candidate Sean Parnell)
  • "So if you're looking for hope, look to the man who did what the failed Obama-Biden Administration never could do and built the greatest economy our country had ever seen -- and President Trump will do it again." (Donald Trump Jr.)

Again, this was a small percentage of the laudatory, bordering-on-obsequious commentary offered about Trump by the first night's speakers. A very small percentage.

Now, there's an element of this sort of gush-fest in every political convention. The goal of these four-day affairs is to shape an image of the president (or presidential nominee) that is appealing to the broadest swath of people. Voters, as history has repeatedly proven, tend to pick a president based in large part on how that person makes them feel. Are they proud of that president? Does he seem like the sort of person who understands their hopes, fears and desires? All that sort of stuff.

But never before -- at least in the modern history of politics -- have we seen a party that is so dedicated to blindly following a president, and abandoning many of the bedrock principles upon which it once stood. There was nary a word on Monday night about the ballooning federal deficit. The social conservative wing of the party was also practically nonexistent.

Rather than venerating the policies on which the Republican Party was built, the speakers on the first night of the convention venerated Trump. And it isn't hard to figure out why. This is a President who has made very clear that he likes people who say nice things about him. "Well, I don't know much about the movement other than I understand they like me very much, which I appreciate," Trump said last week of the QAnon conspiracy movement, which has been labeled a potential domestic terrorism threat by the FBI.

The way you secure a speaking slot at the GOP convention, then, is to show that you are willing to heap praise on Trump to the point where the average person -- and even many Republicans -- might roll their eyes. Trump isn't just fighting for the American people, he's the "bodyguard of Western civilization." (Side bar: If you don't hear the dog whistle in "Western civilization" there, well, listen harder.) He's not just a good president, he's "hands-down the best President of my lifetime." Trump didn't just improve the economy, he "unleashed the economic might of this nation like no other president in our history."

In short: If some praise is good, more is better. A lot better.

Which is all well and good for Donald Trump. A man who loves to be adored and applauded was adored and (virtually) applauded on Monday night. It was a win for him.

The problem is for the broader Republican Party. At some point, Donald Trump won't be president anymore -- either in 2021 or 2025. What then? An attempted return to many of the principles they have walked away from in pursuit of Trump's good graces? A hand-off of Trumpism either to a relative (Donald Trump Jr.?) or another politician willing to raise up Trump's whim and wants to some sort of governing philosophy?

Take Donald Trump out of that convention Monday night. What you'll find is a gaping hole where the "what the party believes in" part should be.​
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He commented on the night's lowliners. There were far more pertinent/impactful speeches than those.
 
andalusian said:
The DNC is nothing more than a marketing tool for the Democratic platform which is far from a hole:

https://www.demconvention.com/wp-co...emocratic-Party-Platform-For-Distribution.pdf

Unfortunately, Trump's rise to power made it all about the personality - and the DNC tries to fight fire with fire.
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Both conventions are just marketing tools. Both from what I've seen completely obsessed with Trump bad, Trump good. Both mostly useless.
I think there's a reason why a lot of posters and people don't watch them, it's not very useful information being parsed out.
I was just commenting since Minstrel posted an article talking about the 'hole' in the RNC just being about Trump (for the most part). The DNC was kind of the same thing just a different angle on it.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You know what's hilarious is the party platform document mentions Trump... 120 times...
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A pretty stark contrast from emerging-from-the-basement-Joe, who's going to be manipulated by the Pelosi/Schumer/Bernie/Squad handlers.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You know what's hilarious is the party platform document mentions Trump... 120 times...
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That's what happens when an incumbent president has been impeached by Congress....in fairness...Trump has baited with insults and made way more false claims about crimes he thinks Obama commited without proof.....when a compulsive liar has presidential power the opposition party better call the fucker out for it. You destroy democracy you will get called out and you should
 
I haven't watched either convention, so I can't comment directly on them, but I think there's a difference between the Republican party, at this moment, and the Democratic party. The Democratic party is taking aim at Trump, obviously--that's what every party does when running against an incumbent. But I think they're pretty clear on what they're for, too. Not just what they're officially for, but the debates over what they should be pushing for. Everyone in the party doesn't agree, but you can see priorities around police reform, health care, etc, even if there's argument on the best way to achieve that.

Meanwhile, the Republican party has fallen into an abyss of cult of personality--I haven't seen much about what the party is for, what their policy agenda is, what they hope to accomplish. All they currently seem to be for is protecting Donald Trump and apologizing for his insane comments.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
You know what's hilarious is the party platform document mentions Trump... 120 times...
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You mean explaining the Covid-19 bills and how they were hollowed out by the Trump administration or being a part of the international community instead of the Trump administration's America first and only or the Tax cuts and proposed payroll cuts of the Trump administration and how they impact social security and health care?

Of course they are, this is not a scholarly document dealing with things in the abstract - it is about the state of the country today, where they want to go to and how it contrast with the current administration's policies and plans. It would be a travesty if it did not.
 
ABM said:
A pretty stark contrast from emerging-from-the-basement-Joe, who's going to be manipulated by the Pelosi/Schumer/Bernie/Squad handlers.
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There's really not proof of that. The conventions are pretty easily summarized by this.
DNC - Trump is bad. Threat to democracy. Capitalism is also kinda bad. All the civil unrest is because of Trumps presidency. Covid deaths are because Trump.
RNC - Trump is good. Biden's a puppet for socialism, communism. Communism bad. All the riots are democrat ran cities/states, they're coming for you.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
There's really not proof of that. The conventions are pretty easily summarized by this.
DNC - Trump is bad. Threat to democracy. Capitalism is also kinda bad. All the civil unrest is because of Trumps presidency. Covid deaths are because Trump.
RNC - Trump is good. Biden's a puppet for socialism, communism. Communism bad. All the riots are democrat ran cities / states, they're coming for.
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and the Lincoln project bores you? Trump's words.....some folks will get the sniffles and it'll fade by April...we need to get back to work and back to school! At that point we had less than 1000 deaths..yeah...Trump enabled irresponsible behavior, mask refusal, and did extend the death toll of the virus by not locking down the country and following the recommendations of our scientists
None of this is acceptable
 
andalusian said:
You mean explaining the Covid-19 bills and how they were hollowed out by the Trump administration or being a part of the international community instead of the Trump administration's America first and only or the Tax cuts and proposed payroll cuts of the Trump administration and how they impact social security and health care?

Of course they are, this is not a scholarly document dealing with things in the abstract - it is about the state of the country today, where they want to go to and how it contrast with the current administration's policies and plans. It would be a travesty if it did not.
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It spoke of exactly what I was saying though. It's a complete obsession with Trump from both parties. I understand why they're talking about Trump.
 
riverman said:
and the Lincoln project bores you? Trump's words.....some folks will get the sniffles and it'll fade by April...we need to get back to work and back to school!
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Yes, it's just about on the same level of insightful as the conventions are.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
It spoke of exactly what I was saying though. It's a complete obsession with Trump from both parties. I understand why they're talking about Trump.
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It most certainly does not. Even trivializing the document to word counts instead of context - it has 289 occurrences of the word health. Using this absurd method of determining what the platform is - apparently it is a HMO mission statement. Please...
 
Minstrel said:
cult of personality
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Another great song!



Look in my eyes, what do you see?
The cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the cult of personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the cult of personality
The cult of personality
The cult of personality
Neon lights, a Nobel Prize
Then a mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the cult of personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the cult of personality
The cult of personality
The cult of personality
Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free
You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You gave me power in your own god's name
I'm every person you need to be
Oh, I'm the cult of personality
I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of
I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of, I'm the cult of personality
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
It spoke of exactly what I was saying though. It's a complete obsession with Trump from both parties. I understand why they're talking about Trump.
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Obsession is a sensationalized view of the impact Trump has on our country....I know you like it and want it to be an equal flaw but the fact is, it's not an equal flaw.....it's important to every aspect of our lives to highlight dangerous behavior by people in positions of power...police, presidents..anyone who is hurting the country or world for their own political survival....not going to water it down..the GOP cannot lead as currently constructed...those that think it's ok are in denial
 
andalusian said:
It most certainly does not. Even trivializing the document to word counts instead of context - it has 289 occurrences of the word health. Using this absurd method of determining what the platform is - apparently it is a HMO mission statement. Please...
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So how much of the DNC stuff did you watch? Literally everything I have seen of it was centered around how bad Trump is. I originally did not say anything about the democratic party or their platform as a whole. Sure they (both) have had moments of talking about other things, but it's been a side object when compared to talking about Trump. I spoke of the conventions since this is about DNC/RNC.
conventions.
You presented a document that talked a whole lot about Trump's failures, that's fine but that doesn't change what the conventions themselves have been. Sure it had other policy stuff in it, I didn't deny that.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
So how much of the DNC stuff did you watch? Literally everything I have seen of it was centered around how bad Trump is. I originally did not say anything about the democratic party or their platform as a whole. Sure they (both) have had moments of talking about other things, but it's been a side object when compared to talking about Trump. I spoke of the conventions since this is about DNC/RNC.
conventions.
You presented a document that talked a whole lot about Trump's failures, that's fine but that doesn't change what the conventions themselves have been.
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The democratic party has a complete covid virus relief stimulus package completed for the last 3 months.....the GOP refused to approve it over things like the USPS and lack of wall money....one party is playing partisan roulette with the country and the other is trying to help people get through a pandemic without losing their lives and being made homeless...I don't think it's hard to fathom what's going on...yeah..sure, it could and should be a more intelligent race but the dems aren't debating an intelligent person
 
I couldn't watch either parties conventions. It's all self gratification and base pandering from both parties. Besides, both the RNC and DNC are corrupt, so you'll get nothing but lies from either of them anyway.

On a side note: The republicans are literally the butt plugs of U.S. politics. You aren't getting anything past them unless they want it to. Ironically, The democrats won't bring America change, unless you can pull them to the left. Democrats do give the population bigger crumbs than republicans, but that is about it.
 
Road Ratt said:
It's all self gratification and base pandering from both parties.
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no it's not.....listen to Michelle Obama speak...or Barack Obama...the contrast between the conventions is clearly not the same this time around....if you didn't watch then you weren't impacted...I watched them all....I'm not a democrat but so far, they've far out spoken the GOP and been the voice of reason..this is not the time for half measures and lies to succeed...which is what Trump's camp has...one side has truth behind it and the other...not ..that's the bottom line
 
Road Ratt said:
The Obama's are part of the problem with America. I couldn't listen to their lies anymore than I could listen to either president Bush's (Jr. or Sr.) lies.
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They said nothing in the convention that was not true...I don't care if you like them or not...how would you know if you didn't listen?....I know when Trump lies because I listen...I also know the truth when it's spoken...apathy is not an excuse for facts. If you don't want to hear Trump exposed, don't listen because he's been exposed....show me Michelle Obama's lies...there aren't any...
 
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ABM said:
They should, though, right?
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You can't have an exploitable workforce if you don't find ways to continually exploit them.

So of course they shouldn't count.
 
riverman said:
They said nothing in the convention that was not true...I don't care if you like them or not...how would you know if you didn't listen?....I know when Trump lies because I listen...I also know the truth when it's spoken...apathy is not an excuse for facts. If you don't want to hear Trump exposed, don't listen because he's been exposed....show me Michelle Obama's lies...there aren't any...
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It's not about like or dislike with me. It's about trust. And when I have seen Barrack Obama's lies, I can't trust him anymore than I can trust any other liar.
 
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