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Ed O said:
The team stinks. They are striving to get into the playoffs... and that's the best-case scenario.

Keeping Dame means we will be giving away more assets that could be useful in the future to try to "win now".

Heck, yes. Keeping Lillard is a hard pill for me to swallow as a Blazers fan.
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apparently you didn't tune in for the Ant Nurk Winslow Hart 4 game winning streak before they shut them down for playing so well....they came out of the gate and beat the Suns like a drum ...I think you're selling the team short by a mile but hey....maybe you don't think Dame's core surgery will make him better? I do. We don't really have a team yet so not sure how they can be judged unless you think the tank squad will be back at tipoff....and who doesn't want to "win now"? Dame sure does...coaching staff sure does. Fans sure do.
 
Strenuus said:
If you're wanting to trade dame before you see him post surgery like wtf are you thinking? It's like fixing up your favorite car then selling it before you ever drove it.
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He is gonna be 32. As much as I want a championship for Dame, I don't see it happening here. More than happy to go into the season and make a deal at the deadline if it is painfully obvious we aren't gonna do shit, though.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
He is gonna be 32. As much as I want a championship for Dame, I don't see it happening here. More than happy to go into the season and make a deal at the deadline if it is painfully obvious we aren't gonna do shit, though.
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People fix cars after they are 32 years old and they drive brand new.

All I'm saying.
 
Strenuus said:
People fix cars after they are 32 years old and they drive brand new.

All I'm saying.
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I mean that's great and all, but if that car doesn't have any chance of winning the big race, what are you doing?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
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That's doesn't seem very realistic to expect the Kings to give up that for Dame considering what happened this season, and especially considering the relative age of their core (of course it is the Kings). I wonder if that trade is legal because isn't Anunoby BYC till June?

also, I don't see any reason for the Raptors to do that trade. VanVleet is better than Fox (he plays defense), so the Raptors would have to go with a small back court at the same time they'd need to bench Trent

SlyPokerCat said:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28jdgmgx

Van vleet could be moved elsewhere. Barnes is the obvious prize.
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wut?

the "prize" for trading Dame is Harrison Barnes?

I'd say the prize order would be #4 - OG - Barnes

Harrison Barnes is an empty stats guy
 
Would rather trade for another position as hart and simons is already a good bc.
 
wizenheimer said:
That's doesn't seem very realistic to expect the Kings to give up that for Dame considering what happened this season, and especially considering the relative age of their core (of course it is the Kings). I wonder if that trade is legal because isn't Anunoby BYC till June?

also, I don't see any reason for the Raptors to do that trade. VanVleet is better than Fox (he plays defense), so the Raptors would have to go with a small back court at the same time they'd need to bench Trent



wut?

the "prize" for trading Dame is Harrison Barnes?

I'd say the prize order would be #4 - OG - Barnes

Harrison Barnes is an empty stats guy
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Look again. His proposal involved the other, better Barnes.
 
wizenheimer said:
That's doesn't seem very realistic to expect the Kings to give up that for Dame considering what happened this season, and especially considering the relative age of their core (of course it is the Kings). I wonder if that trade is legal because isn't Anunoby BYC till June?

also, I don't see any reason for the Raptors to do that trade. VanVleet is better than Fox (he plays defense), so the Raptors would have to go with a small back court at the same time they'd need to bench Trent



wut?

the "prize" for trading Dame is Harrison Barnes?

I'd say the prize order would be #4 - OG - Barnes

Harrison Barnes is an empty stats guy
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Scottie barnes bruh. My trade is different than platypus.
 
wizenheimer said:
my bad...I missed the link and was looking at the Harrison Barnes trade

Blazers would still have the same problem unless they somehow re-routed Van Vleet
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Yep. I would try to flip him for different assets.
 
wizenheimer said:
my bad...I missed the link and was looking at the Harrison Barnes trade

Blazers would still have the same problem unless they somehow re-routed Van Vleet
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This is my Dame trade that I don't really want to do but keeps coming back to me... it also involves the Kings.
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This move along with letting Hart, Nurk and Bledsoe walk and waiting to sign Ant so only his hold counts, would free up enough cap space to offer max deals to both Bridges and Ayton or whatever it would take to get them away from their current teams. Draft Sharpe at 4, Sochran at 7 and then fill the bench with our remaining picks. Ant, Sharpe, Bridges, Sochran, Ayton, 12th pick, Nas, 30th pick, 36th pick, Keon, Trendon, Greg, Didi, Wiggins... Williams and pick 57 two way players. Seeing as how this is a youth rebuild I'd let Justise pick his destination that had the TPE for him and wants him. So Boston for a our 2023 second rounder.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I mean that's great and all, but if that car doesn't have any chance of winning the big race, what are you doing?
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If you're not racing with the car you just fixed why did you fix it at all?

This is fun lol
 
Strenuus said:
If you're not racing with the car you just fixed why did you fix it at all?

This is fun lol
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You can race with it (trade deadline), but if it is obvious it won't be a contender....time to move on.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
You can race with it (trade deadline), but if it is obvious it won't be a contender....time to move on.
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Lmao, why I am not surprised you have this take? Time to more on when you have a superstar this loyal, with a new team, new GM, and still a whole off season to go is sure a odd way to think.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Yep. I would try to flip him for different assets.
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obviously, I don't want to trade Dame

but of the two trades, I'd rather it was OG + #4 than just Scottie Barnes; I'm assuming the return for re-routing VanVleet wouldn't be all that impressive. In the first trade, I'd try to re-route H. Barnes for a late or future 1st or a couple of 2nds.

in that case, I would not re-sign Nurkic...he probably wouldn't re-sign if Dame was gone anyway. I'd debate keeping Hart, but probably would. My goal would be to get another lottery pick next year

but yeah, if it was Ant + Hart (maybe) + Anunoby + #4 + #7 with Winslow, Nas, Keon, Watford, I would at least wonder about the team's upside.

I still don't think either the Kings or the Raptors would go for it though
 
sheed30 said:
Lmao, why I am not surprised you have this take? Time to more on when you have a superstar this loyal, with a new team, new GM, and still a whole off season to go is sure a odd way to think.
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I'm talking hypotheticals genius. I've said i'm more than happy to wait until the deadline.

Trading #7 for Jerami Grant would probably make me want to move on sooner, though.
 
wizenheimer said:
obviously, I don't want to trade Dame

but of the two trades, I'd rather it was OG + #4 than just Scottie Barnes; I'm assuming the return for re-routing VanVleet wouldn't be all that impressive. In the first trade, I'd try to re-route H. Barnes for a late or future 1st or a couple of 2nds.

in that case, I would not re-sign Nurkic...he probably wouldn't re-sign if Dame was gone anyway. I'd debate keeping Hart, but probably would. My goal would be to get another lottery pick next year

but yeah, if it was Ant + Hart (maybe) + Anunoby + #4 + #7 with Winslow, Nas, Keon, Watford, I would at least wonder about the team's upside.

I still don't think either the Kings or the Raptors would go for it though
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Fair enough. I think Barnes will be a star. I also like OG too. Barnes would fit our timeline with pick #7 and Ant.

I am not saying this team would be a lot better than with Dame, they won't at first. And maybe not ever. But I would like the potential.

Ant, Barnes

Then Mathurin, Murray, Duren whatever.

Maybe they suck another year and we are back in the lotto next year (fingers crossed).

Maybe VanVleet to NY for Toppin, salary and a pick. Maybe NY would do Randle for VanVleet to get him off the team.
 
Toronto would still need a center. But, it would depend on if Toronto thought Dame, Trent, OG, Pascal and a center would be a contender in the east. Or Dame, Trent, Barnes, Pascal, center.

I think they would depending on who they could get at Center.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
He is gonna be 32. As much as I want a championship for Dame, I don't see it happening here. More than happy to go into the season and make a deal at the deadline if it is painfully obvious we aren't gonna do shit, though.
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Kyle Lowry is 36. Miami has done pretty well this season.
 
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