The stock markets aren't happy with the election results.

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Duh. I'm doing the same with my one lucky coin. I don't have as many hills of gold as you. Should have sold in the Summer.

Hahaha. I don't have many hills of gold. Remember I'm divorced twice and have 3 kids. My child support it $5,175 and I'm in a nice BULLSHIT tax bracket; without any "write off" for that child support. :P
 
Hahaha. I don't have many hills of gold. Remember I'm divorced twice and have 3 kids. My child support it $5,175 and I'm in a nice BULLSHIT tax bracket; without any "write off" for that child support. :P

Third times the charm!

When are you back in town, Mags? I want updates on your research.
 
as has been said, once the fed stops pumping and raises interest rates, the markets will fall back to earth and then some. this bubble is nothing more of wealthy investors getting a free ride on the government's dime. recent sell offs have been in response to hints that the party of fed infusion may be tapering off.
 
With what?

Well the idea behind the thread is the market is some kind of reaction of election results. If true, I guess the market likes the election results?

We sure haven't had the doomsday in the market some predicted would happen with Obama in office.
 
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Well the idea behind the thread is the market is some kind of reaction of election results. If true, I guess the market likes the election results?

We sure haven't had the doomsday in the market some predicted would happen with Obama in office.

of course not. They're still keeping interest rates near zero and continuing pumping billions into the economy every month to keep it afloat. The "temporary fix" has become the new normal. When the new normal becomes the old normal, then shit will get mad real.

watch what happens to Japan in the next few months. preview of coming attractions.
 
seems like a smart person could capitalize on such an inevitable decline in the stock market
 
of course not. They're still keeping interest rates near zero and continuing pumping billions into the economy every month to keep it afloat. The "temporary fix" has become the new normal. When the new normal becomes the old normal, then shit will get mad real.

watch what happens to Japan in the next few months. preview of coming attractions.

I know, I know . . . doomsday coming soon!
 
seems like a smart person could capitalize on such an inevitable decline in the stock market

Yeah, why do you think the DOW is so high? Investors riding the bubble. They will abandon it all at once when it pops and it'll be messy. Right after the election, Bernanke and the FED went and started jerking the markets off again by having more Easing, this time open ended and tying it to the unemployment rate (wtf). $40b a month and then some....

market has reacted last week to hints that the fed may finally ease up on QE....which triggered a sell off late last week.
 
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totally healthy economy, bro.

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Yeah, why do you think the DOW is so high? Investors riding the bubble. They will abandon it all at once when it pops and it'll be messy. Right after the election, Bernanke and the FED went and started jerking the markets off again by having more Easing, this time open ended and tying it to the unemployment rate (wtf). $40b a month and then some....

market has reacted last week to hints that the fed may finally ease up on QE....which triggered a sell off late last week.

The Fed is printing $85B per month.

You'll like this:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-23/when-fed-has-print-money-just-print-money
 
You and I must have missed the post-November national election and its stock market reaction.

No you didn't miss anything, election results haven't changed, Obama is still the president, which must means the stock market is still way down because the stock markets aren't happy with the election results, and the results haven't changed.
 
Well the idea behind the thread is the market is some kind of reaction of election results. If true, I guess the market likes the election results?

We sure haven't had the doomsday in the market some predicted would happen with Obama in office.

You're kidding right? Did you see the market reaction at just the hint that the QE might be reduced? This market is completely artificial.
 
No you didn't miss anything, election results haven't changed, Obama is still the president, which must means the stock market is still way down because the stock markets aren't happy with the election results, and the results haven't changed.

I think you should really understand the market though. The Dow is down from time of election, FYI. There are new laws waiting to be passed that haven't. There was a moment yesterday when there was a notion that there would be a tax hike and the Dow went to shit.

If you don't believe the Market is mainly speculative, then you just don't understand the market. There are reasons why a company with a high P/E still drops because someone sold off half their shares. Sometimes a hedge is taking profits, but the market sees it as some sign the stock will fall dramatically. That is speculative!
 
Basically the looming threat at that time was this "fiscal cliff" and what to do. What did Obama do? He kicked the can down the road and now its called the "sequester" and he'll scare everyone and then kick the can down the road a little more and more until we reach the end of the road. There is no recovery, everything that's happened has essentially been kicking the can down the road. You can't do it forever.
 
seems like a smart person could capitalize on such an inevitable decline in the stock market

It will happen, but timing it is the difficult part.

I was all long until last Thursday. I started building up a short position today. I would be wrong this time. If so, I'll cut the losses and try again.
 
It will surely happen by 2020. That's when the near 0% interest payments on the Obama/Pelosi/Reid debt will be bigger than defense spending. It's going to crowd out so much govt. spending that this sequester thing is going to look rather puny (it is puny anyway).

And Progressives will be out there demanding we triple taxes on the rich to pay just for the interest payments. Triple would be > 100% tax rate.
 
I think you should really understand the market though. The Dow is down from time of election, FYI. There are new laws waiting to be passed that haven't. There was a moment yesterday when there was a notion that there would be a tax hike and the Dow went to shit.

If you don't believe the Market is mainly speculative, then you just don't understand the market. There are reasons why a company with a high P/E still drops because someone sold off half their shares. Sometimes a hedge is taking profits, but the market sees it as some sign the stock will fall dramatically. That is speculative!

OK help me out and boil this down to one simple answer: Is the OP right when he says the stock markets aren't happy with the election results?
 
OK help me out and boil this down to one simple answer: Is the OP right when he says the stock markets aren't happy with the election results?

Yes, the OP was right. However, the markets often factor in good and bad news over the long haul.

Also, with the fed keeping interest rates near zero, there really isn't a place to keep your savings (outside the stock market) that's liquid and gets you a return that beats inflation.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...m-looms-next-as-central-banks-exhaust-QE.html

A new paper for the US Monetary Policy Forum and published by the Fed warns that the institution's capital base could be wiped out "several times" once borrowing costs start to rise in earnest.
A mere whiff of inflation or more likely stagflation would cause a bond market rout, leaving the Fed nursing escalating losses on its $2.9 trillion holdings. This portfolio is rising by $85bn each month under QE3. The longer it goes on, the greater the risk. Exit will become much harder by 2014.
Such losses would lead to a political storm on Capitol Hill and risk a crisis of confidence. The paper -- "Crunch Time: Fiscal Crises and the Role of Monetary Policy" -- is co-written by former Fed governor Frederic Mishkin, Ben Bernanke's former right-hand man.
It argues the Fed is acutely vulnerable because it has stretched the average maturity of its bond holdings to 11 years, and the longer the date, the bigger the losses when yields rise. The Bank of Japan has kept below three years.
Trouble could start by mid-decade and then compound at an alarming pace, with yields spiking up to double-digit rates by the late 2020s. By then Fed will be forced to finance spending to avert the greater evil of default."Sovereign risk remains alive and well in the U.S, and could intensify. Feedback effects of higher rates can lead to a more dramatic deterioration in long-run debt sustainability in the US than is captured in official estimates," it said.

:MARIS61:
 
so the bankers that run the fed have 2.9 trillion dollars...and rising by 85 billion dollars a month...

good for them?
 
so the bankers that run the fed have 2.9 trillion dollars...and rising by 85 billion dollars a month...

good for them?

They PRINTED $2.9 trillion. You can't create wealth out of thin air.

Inflation is, by definition, too many dollars chasing after too few goods.

If they didn't print that $2.9T and $85B more every month, the national debt would increase by those amounts.
 
OK help me out and boil this down to one simple answer: Is the OP right when he says the stock markets aren't happy with the election results?

Like I said already in this thread... the initial reaction to the election was a drop in the stock market. There is a lot of new public information available since the election. You didn't think that sentiment in the stock market remains constant indefinitely did you?
 
Down over 2% and dropping.

It's just the beginning. What we've seen over the past few years has been the recovery. With these new taxes and regulations, we'll enter a new recession.

I pulled everything out of the market before the election, except for my company stock options. I'm glad I did. I wonder how far this thing will drop.

bump. 4 months later & I'm up over 12%... should I blame Obama?

STOMP
 
Well, yes. Since he is keeping bernanke in, fueling this bubble.
 

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