The super Harden to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster

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Brooklyn wont have control of their draft until 2028. Holy hell
 
illmatic99 said:
Brooklyn wont have control of their draft until 2028. Holy hell
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Yeah, I don't know why people are all up in arms about this being a bad deal. That was a heck of a package.
 
Thinking about it again, this trio may result in the Nets drawing the most fouls in NBA history.
 
OKC/NOP/HOU will own pretty much every draft pick of significance over the next few seasons.
 
Not that I would consider it, but this kind of makes me wonder what kind of godfather package we could get if we traded Dame.
 
illmatic99 said:
Brooklyn wont have control of their draft until 2028. Holy hell
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That's one way to put it. The other way to put it is that they gave up three picks. The pick swaps will only come back to bite them if disaster strikes. Which it could, certainly, but that isn't the way to bet IMO.

I think the haul from Houston's end is pretty weak. Four likely non-premium picks (one from Milwaukee in the Allen deal) and an expiring deal in Oladipo (knowing Fertitta, he likely won't extend him to get the maximum savings).

Even if they re-sign Oladipo, he's a borderline star nearing the end of his peak years and won't be cheap. Not exactly a great rebuild chip.

All in all, not a great return on one of the best players in the NBA and one of the best offensive players in NBA history, still in his prime.
 
Minstrel said:
That's one way to put it. The other way to put it is that they gave up three picks. The pick swaps will only come back to bite them if disaster strikes. Which it could, certainly, but that isn't the way to bet IMO.

I think the haul from Houston's end is pretty weak. Four likely non-premium picks (one from Milwaukee in the Allen deal) and an expiring deal in Oladipo (knowing Fertitta, he likely won't extend him to get the maximum savings).

Even if they re-sign Oladipo, he's a borderline star nearing the end of his peak years and won't be cheap. Not exactly a great rebuild chip.

All in all, not a great return on one of the best players in the NBA and one of the best offensive players in NBA history, still in his prime.
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You're right. Maybe they shoulda kept Allen and LeVert instead.
 
Philly
Brooklyn
Portland

Is where Harden wanted to go.

Dame’s at least doing a hellova job recruiting. Neil OTOH....
 
Minstrel said:
Even if they re-sign Oladipo, he's a borderline star nearing the end of his peak years and won't be cheap. Not exactly a great rebuild chip.

All in all, not a great return on one of the best players in the NBA and one of the best offensive players in NBA history, still in his prime.
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VO is 28 and end of his peak years while Harden is 31 and still in his prime? What kind of standard or metric are you using?

VO had a major injury a couple season ago and might still be recovering but I think his physical prime years are still ahead of him.
 
Jelloman said:
VO is 28 and end of his peak years while Harden is 31 and still in his prime? What kind of standard or metric are you using?
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Peak versus prime.

Estimates vary, but I've usually considered a player's peak years to be around 24-28 and their prime to extend into their early 30s. My point with Oladipo is that he's not really "young," not likely to improve and his best years may be behind him (in fact, I think that's likely). I don't think he's into the decline phase of his career, obviously.

Similarly, Harden is not into the decline phase of his career either, which is important in assessing this trade. This isn't Kevin Garnett when he left Boston.
 
illmatic99 said:
You're right. Maybe they shoulda kept Allen and LeVert instead.
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I think they should have. I liked the deal more before they spun those two players off. But most likely, the idea was to save as much money as possible.
 
I could totally see Olshey going after Draymond. With Harden, it was wishful thinking, at least on my part, but Draymond, I could actually see it. And if golden state gets to the point of putting him on the block, it probably wouldn’t take his prized baby boy CJ
 
Scalma said:
I could totally see Olshey going after Draymond. With Harden, it was wishful thinking, at least on my part, but Draymond, I could actually see it. And if golden state gets to the point of putting him on the block, it probably wouldn’t take his prized baby boy CJ
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Why would the Warriors do it though? That's the problem. I don't think he's asking for a trade. I don't think they're trading Draymond unless Curry goes.
 
Was Lavert a better option than the salary flexibility of not resigning Oladipo?
 
Fez Forthright said:
Philly
Brooklyn
Portland

Is where Harden wanted to go.

Dame’s at least doing a hellova job recruiting. Neil OTOH....
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We were just leverage. Harden put Portland to get Brooklyn to up their package.
 
Still unclear how Cleveland ended up with Jarrett Allen. What else did they give up besides Exum?

Also unclear why Cleveland targeted Allen when they have Drummond. They also have Javale McGee.
 
Wow Just three nets players put them over the salary cap. The three of them combined make over 113 M a season this year and all going up next year.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Still unclear how Cleveland ended up with Jarrett Allen. What else did they give up besides Exum?

Also unclear why Cleveland targeted Allen when they have Drummond.
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Looks like they gave up a 1st they were going to receive from the Bucks also
 
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