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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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PHXBlazer1 said:
I only read this thread once a day, just to see if there's any new developments. But I couldn't ignore the Harkless to Melo comparison. I love Mo, but come on. Show me all the advanced stats you want, but to try and say that Mo is arguably better than Carmelo Anthony is just ridiculous.
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Not talking about as a lead dog, or as a 1-on-1 player, but as a role player (which Melo would have to be if he came here), it's not ridiculous at all.
 
SwissBlazer said:
Such exageration. I read somewhere that he even says "Portland is the shittiest city in the US." Trying to find the source.
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If that is how he truly feels, its pretty obvious that he's actually never set foot in the city other then playing basketball for 3 hours 1 to 2 times a year.
 
julius said:
If that is how he truly feels, its pretty obvious that he's actually never set foot in the city other then playing basketball for 3 hours 1 to 2 times a year.
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Serious, Green font, or Whoosh?
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
I only read this thread once a day, just to see if there's any new developments. But I couldn't ignore the Harkless to Melo comparison. I love Mo, but come on. Show me all the advanced stats you want, but to try and say that Mo is arguably better than Carmelo Anthony is just ridiculous.
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Not "better", but maybe a better value? And probably better for the Blazers long-term.

If the Blazer think Harkless will continue to improve, the stats show that he can provide some of what Carmelo does, while staying in his lane and not taking touches away from other players who are more efficient than Melo. Harkless is also, IMO, a better defender.

An overpriced one-year rental who depletes future assets doesn't seem like a shrewd business move to me. :dunno:
 
Paraphrasing:

Lowe: No one is taking Ryan Anderson. Teams want 2 first rounders. Portland's name has been mentioned, but they're already top 5 in payrolls and can't take on more money.

Portland's involvement in going after Melo is real. They have less damaging versions of Anderson in Harkless and Leonard who are better trade pieces than what HOU has. Heard from people in Portland about Dame. He has a bit of that DRose/Westbrook in that he is a perfect franchise player who was never into recruiting players before. He wanted to fight with his existing teammates and won't ever ask for help, but he and CJ are now embracing that role. He wants another star.

Begley: I don't see Melo waiving that no trade clause for POR. Other thing I heard is about Melo is into the tech VC thing (Stuart Goldfarb) and people in POR might try to appeal to Melo by showing him the booming tech industry (and look at who the owner is, etc) in the city. I don't think it will work but...

Lowe: I mean, it's not insane. You can build trades. If Knicks' best offer is nothing, you can build Portland trades. You can get a sorta bad contract like Turner or whatever, a pick. Dame is really good, CJ is really good, Nurk was unbelieveable for 20 games.

Beck: To the point of Portland, what does Melo really want? Is the city that important? Before it used to be just about money. He forced his way to NY ridding them of all their assets to get all his money. The NTC is what's driving all this because the Knicks can't just trade him where they can get the best offer.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
Paraphrasing:

Lowe: No one is taking Ryan Anderson. Teams want 2 first rounders. Portland's name has been mentioned, but they're already top 5 in payrolls and can't take on more money.

Portland's involvement is real. They have less damaging versions of Anderson in Harkless and Leonard who are better trade pieces than what HOU has. Heard from people in Portland about Dame. He has a bit of that DRose/Westbrook in that he is a perfect franchise playerwho was never into recruiting players before. He wanted to fight with his existing teammates and won't ever ask for help, but he and CJ are now embracing that role. He wants another star.

Begley: I don't see Melo waiving that no trade clause for POR. Other thing I heard is about Melo is into the tech VC thing (Stuart Goldfarb) and people in POR might try to appeal to Melo by showing him the booming tech industry (and look at who the owner is, etc) in the city. I don't think it will work but...

Lowe: I mean, it's not insane. You can build trades. If Knicks' best offer is nothing, you can build Portland trades. You can get a sorta bad contract like Turner or whatever, a pick. Dame is really good, CJ is really good, Nurk was unbelieveable for 20 games.

Beck: To the point of Portland, what does Melo really want? Is the city that important? Before it used to be just about money. He forced his way to NY ridding them of all their assets to get all his money. The NTC is what's driving all this because the Knicks can't just trade him where they can get the best offer.
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I get that Anthony has every right to pick where he wants to go, but I really don't see why he would be so against Portland? It's not like he'd be making a long term commitment to us. If Houston isn't viable, then fuck it, come here for a year. If you don't like it, leave in 12 months.
 
It comes down to what Dame, CJ and Olshey have all said in the past....we don't want anyone here that doesn't want to be in Portland and buy into Blazer culture....I think Melo has that and that alone to consider ...if this keeps up, he'll be an unhappy, yet very wealthy paycheck player with the Knicks and walk after a season with no guarantee he's getting another big payday with another team
 
Scalma said:
I get that Anthony has every right to pick where he wants to go, but I really don't see why he would be so against Portland? It's not like he'd be making a long term commitment to us. If Houston isn't viable, then fuck it, come here for a year. If you don't like it, leave in 12 months.
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The only thing I can think of is what contender will have $$ for Melo next offseason? Spurs maybe if they can move Aldridge?
Basically the only thing he can try to do is force a trade to one. If that doesn't happen he'll have to join a 2nd tier team.
IDK why he thinks he rockettes are a contender, they're clearly a second tier team.
 
Scalma said:
I get that Anthony has every right to pick where he wants to go, but I really don't see why he would be so against Portland? It's not like he'd be making a long term commitment to us. If Houston isn't viable, then fuck it, come here for a year. If you don't like it, leave in 12 months.
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I haven't seen anything that says that he's so against Portland. It's more a case of he really wants to go to Houston to play with Chris Paul and James Harden. Since there's no huge rush at this time of the summer, he's smart to wait and see if something happens with other teams getting involved in the trade so that he can get what he wants. It seems to me that the Portland option would be something that he might consider towards the end of summer if it looks like there's nothing that will work to get him to Houston and his only other choice is to play out the season with the Knicks. The tough thing for Olshey is whether to hang around hoping that happens or look for other trade moves to potentially improve and balance the roster and cut costs.
 
Other takeaways that might have gone unnoticed that Lowe said: This might be a play by Morey to show to CP that he's trying his hardest to land his guy Melo to try to retain Paul next summer. But they don't want to tradeaway Gordon/Ariza/Capela, so Knicks aren't that willing to just let Melo go for crap contracts.
 
riverman said:
It comes down to what Dame, CJ and Olshey have all said in the past....we don't want anyone here that doesn't want to be in Portland and buy into Blazer culture....I think Melo has that and that alone to consider ...if this keeps up, he'll be an unhappy, yet very wealthy paycheck player with the Knicks and walk after a season with no guarantee he's getting another big payday with another team
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I agree. The beauty of Nurk is that he's bought in 100%. Plus the chip on his shoulder helps. ;)

If Melo doesn't want to be here, or only comes here as the lesser of two evils, then do NOT trade for him we don't want him fucking up our team chemistry.
 
e_blazer said:
look for other trade moves to potentially improve and balance the roster
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I think he wants to build more value with trade pieces and wait until the deadline to do any salary dump...selling low on 10 million or 18 million dollar players isn't the smartest thing to do....if Crabbe or Leonard make any showing of improvement...we'll get more bang for our buck in a trade...we don't really have cap space to be players in the trade market since the draft
 
BonesJones said:
I don't think it's a risk at all. The only potentially good NBA player we'd lose in those two trades is Collins.

Plus, the savings. Crabbe will be tradeable next season.

There's 3 good scenarios that could play out in the summer of 2018.
From the best possible (and unrealistic) scenario to the least best (assuming Nurk has a cap hold and is waiting to be resigned)

1.) Melo and Wade like playing here together. We trade Crabbe and Aminu so that Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, Vonleh, and Swanigan are making $60M-ish. After a very competitive season, Melo and Wade are willing to resign for cheap, $7M contracts. That leaves around $30M in cap space. Lebron is a free agent, and looking at a group of Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and his buddies in Wade and Carmelo, Lebron decides to sign with Portland, giving us this:

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Wade
Lebron / Carmelo
Vonleh / Swanigan
Nurkic / Vet FA.

2.) Melo and Wade resigns for $15M a piece, putting us over the salary cap. We then make a sign-and-trade for a big time free agent (Crabbe, Aminu, and a pick), or trade Crabbe, Aminu, Swanigan, and future 1sts for a legit all-star.

3.) Melo and Wade leave, we resign Nurkic and sign cheap veteran pieces to replace Wade and Melo on 1 year deals. We'd have our sights set the summer of 2019, and using Crabbe's expiring deal along with pieces like Vonleh, Biggie, and future picks to trade (S&T) for an all-star.

Basically, I don't think you can go wrong by adding more talent, especially house-hold names, to a small-market team while also creating future flexibility and more options for building a contender down the road.
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I dont give a shit what this post says. I liked it because you now have the best sig in the forum my man!
 
Rockets fans are severely overrating what Melo and CP3 are bringing to the table. They seriously think this would put them on the same level as the Cavs.

Sorry, no.

I would take LeBron/Kyrie/Love over Paul/Harden/Melo.

It's like the poor man's Cavs, and the Cavs couldn't hang with the current Warriors even a little bit.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Rockets fans are severely overrating what Melo and CP3 are bringing to the table. They seriously think this would put them on the same level as the Cavs.

Sorry, no.

I would take LeBron/Kyrie/Love over Paul/Harden/Melo.

It's like the poor man's Cavs, and the Cavs couldn't hang with the current Warriors even a little bit.
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The fuck is this? Rocket fans man..
They forgetting LBJ plays for the Cavs?
In what world does Har_en, CP3, or Melo equal LBJ? I mean come on.. Combining any two of those three don't equal LBJ's value...
 
Natebishop3 said:
Rockets fans are severely overrating what Melo and CP3 are bringing to the table. They seriously think this would put them on the same level as the Cavs.

Sorry, no.

I would take LeBron/Kyrie/Love over Paul/Harden/Melo.

It's like the poor man's Cavs, and the Cavs couldn't hang with the current Warriors even a little bit.
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Cavs did set Finals records in game 4. I'd say they hung a little bit.
 
honkicracker said:
The fuck is this? Rocket fans man..
They forgetting LBJ plays for the Cavs?
In what world does Har_en, CP3, or Melo equal LBJ? I mean come on.. Combining any two of those three don't equal LBJ's value...
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The biggest difference that these fuckers are forgetting is that LeBron did more by himself than any of these fools. Paul, for all his accolades, has never been able to do much in the playoffs. Melo got to the WCF... once. Harden got to the WCF.... once. LeBron is so much better than any of those three players, and it's not even close. But I'm sure Rockets fans think Harden is as good as LeBron. Statistically he might be, but in terms of leadership and ability, I don't think Harden is even close.
 
I'm growing tired of this Melodrama. Last I heard is Woj tweeting that Anthony will not waive his clause to come to Portland, and that he is set on leaving NYK for Houston. I say fuck him, fuck New York, fuck Houston and move on. If Anthony doesnt want to be here then Neil shouldnt continue trying to acquire him. We want players who want to be here. Not premadonnas. Leave Melo and NYK to their power struggle and let them be forced to take Andersons contract from Houston.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Rockets fans are severely overrating what Melo and CP3 are bringing to the table. They seriously think this would put them on the same level as the Cavs.

Sorry, no.

I would take LeBron/Kyrie/Love over Paul/Harden/Melo.

It's like the poor man's Cavs, and the Cavs couldn't hang with the current Warriors even a little bit.
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My thoughts exactly.

I read some commentator's thoughts on Carmelo to Portland and he said that it wasn't likely because he wants to go to a contender and Portland isn't ready to contend. First, as long as the Warriors remain stacked the way they are, nobody else is a contender just based on roster strength. Second, while Paul and Hardaway are really good, nobody knows if that pairing is going to work together and, if it does, that Melo is the added ingredient that makes them a super strong team. Assuming that Anderson is gone in the trade, they don't have much besides Gordon and Ariza. Top to bottom, with the addition of Melo, I'll take Portland's roster over theirs.
 
KingSpeed said:
Cavs did set Finals records in game 4. I'd say they hung a little bit.
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Winning one game only because you got ungodly (and unsustainably) hot doesn't really suggest competitiveness, IMO. As soon as they couldn't shoot 50-something percent on a hundred threes, they lost.
 
Chris Craig said:
I'm growing tired of this Melodrama. Last I heard is Woj tweeting that Anthony will not waive his clause to come to Portland, and that he is set on leaving NYK for Houston. I say fuck him, fuck New York, fuck Houston and move on. If Anthony doesnt want to be here then Neil shouldnt continue trying to acquire him. We want players who want to be here. Not premadonnas. Leave Melo and NYK to their power struggle and let them be forced to take Andersons contract from Houston.
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There was not one quote from Melo in that story and there wasn't any new news in it either.
 
dviss1 said:
There was not one quote from Melo in that story and there wasn't any new news in it either.
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Why would Woj say it if it wasnt true? He is usually very dependable and in the know.
 
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