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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Not No but Hell No

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chzbrgr said:
Who can we get with our TPE to replace AC:

Tyson Chandler PHO $13,000,000
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHO $13,000,000
Eric Gordon HOU $12,943,020
Kenneth Faried DEN $12,921,348
Marcin Gortat WAS $12,782,609
Cody Zeller CHO $12,584,270
Miles Plumlee ATL $12,500,000
Zach Randolph SAC $12,307,692
Nikola Vucevic ORL $12,250,000
Wilson Chandler DEN $12,016,854
Kemba Walker CHO $12,000,000
Derrick Favors UTA $12,000,000
Jeremy Lin BRK $12,000,000
Austin Rivers LAC $11,825,000
Courtney Lee NYK $11,747,890
Solomon Hill NOP $11,747,073
Nikola Pekovic MIN $11,600,000
Jordan Clarkson LAL $11,562,500
John Henson MIL $11,422,536
Amir Johnson PHI $11,000,000
Alec Burks UTA $10,845,506
Omer Asik NOP $10,595,505
Joe Johnson UTA $10,505,000
Terrence Ross ORL $10,500,000
Mirza Teletovic MIL $10,500,000
Bojan Bogdanovic IND $10,500,000
Jon Leuer DET $10,497,319
Iman Shumpert CLE $10,337,079
Jared Dudley PHO $10,000,000
Danny Green SAS $10,000,000

Who do you want?
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Courtney Lee
Wilson Chandler
Eric Gordon
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Really? No mention of lullaby, invisible monsters or snuff?
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I suffer from severe ADD due to advancing age and a congenital cognitive disorder. I don't have the ability to read any more. I would read those books if I could.
 
chzbrgr said:
I mean I really want Burks but UTA would never go for it Joe Johnson I could see tho
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I could see Utah dumping Burks contract for sure. He's not in their rotation and is making too much.
 
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y79rrpze

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You guys think Portland is going to use a trade exception without sending almost the same amount of salary out? Don't hold your breath on that. Portland doesn't want to be over the luxury tax.
 
Sinobas said:
You guys think Portland is going to use a trade exception without sending almost the same amount of salary out? Don't hold your breath on that. Portland doesn't want to be over the luxury tax.
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Portland wants to win.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Portland wants to win.
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chzbrgr said:
Who can we get with our TPE to replace AC:

Tyson Chandler PHO $13,000,000
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist CHO $13,000,000
Eric Gordon HOU $12,943,020
Kenneth Faried DEN $12,921,348
Marcin Gortat WAS $12,782,609
Cody Zeller CHO $12,584,270
Miles Plumlee ATL $12,500,000
Zach Randolph SAC $12,307,692
Nikola Vucevic ORL $12,250,000
Wilson Chandler DEN $12,016,854
Kemba Walker CHO $12,000,000
Derrick Favors UTA $12,000,000
Jeremy Lin BRK $12,000,000
Austin Rivers LAC $11,825,000
Courtney Lee NYK $11,747,890
Solomon Hill NOP $11,747,073
Nikola Pekovic MIN $11,600,000
Jordan Clarkson LAL $11,562,500
John Henson MIL $11,422,536
Amir Johnson PHI $11,000,000
Alec Burks UTA $10,845,506
Omer Asik NOP $10,595,505
Joe Johnson UTA $10,505,000
Terrence Ross ORL $10,500,000
Mirza Teletovic MIL $10,500,000
Bojan Bogdanovic IND $10,500,000
Jon Leuer DET $10,497,319
Iman Shumpert CLE $10,337,079
Jared Dudley PHO $10,000,000
Danny Green SAS $10,000,000

Who do you want?
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I'd take Vucevic.
 
honkicracker said:
Well I personally don't like Gordon nor Anderson. I think they're both quality role players. I just would prefer other options on the Blazers mainly due to fit or age.



Before you bring out a ton of stats and whatnot. I'm well aware of the negatives these players have. As well as off-the-court issues one of them has.
I just believe these players to be a better target than Gordon, or Anderson if Portland is giving up Harkless.
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No problem. Not going to put that much effort into it as I'm sure Neil already has plans for that trade exception.

honkicracker said:
If I had to make a choice of a role player, I'd have liked Tobias Harris. Although with Morris being traded not sure how available he is.
Chicago is a fairly cheap organization, and although I'm hesitant due to the history of players like Mirotic in Chicago... I think he'd be a good fit as a stretch 4 and sometimes 3.
Another player is Markeef Morris, the Wiz may be willing to trade him. They traded for Bogdanovic who is a 3/stretch 4 himself.
As far guards go, I'd go with Tony Allen or something like that. Someone who if Portland were to trade Harkless before the deadline can fill in for much of what he does.
Not splash moves and people can criticize them all they want. I just think these players are better value than Gordon or Anderson if Portland has to give up Harkless.
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Tobias Harris makes $16 million. So, we can't get him with the $12.9 million TPE.

Tony Allen is, I believe, an unsigned free agent. If so, the TPE cannot be used to sign him outright, although a sign and trade with MEM is a possibility.

I took a quick look through some of the other teams rosters. I mostly focused on teams that are suddenly over the lux tax threshold and may welcome a TPE to get under the threshold and teams that are rebuilding and have a veteran player that doesn't fit in with their future plans. Honestly, there isn't a lot out there. We might be better off holding onto the TPE until the trade deadline when some teams that aren't contending may be looking to blow it up, or maybe be a facilitator in a multi-team trade.

Anyway, my thoughts...

Moving Crabbe leaves us potentially short handed in the back court. The obvious use of the TPE would be to shore up our back court. The two most obvious choices have already been mentioned: Eric Gordon and Courtney Lee. The TPE is large enough to swap straight across for either player. Both are older than Crabbe, but both are better (IMHO) and make 2/3 as much. Gordon is a better, more aggressive scorer. Lee is basically an older version of Crabbe with defense. I'd be fine with either of these as our Crabbe replacement, if that's Neil's plan.

My dark horse Crabbe replacements are Danny Green, should SAS go all in to land Kyrie and need to shed some salary for some reason (although I'm not sure why CLE wouldn't just take Green) and Jared Dudley. Dudley is a solid 3-point shooter that's used too coming off the bench. Both Green and Dudley currently make $10 million. Dudley has two years left. Green has two years, but the second is a player option he will probably decline. Both are career .400 3-point shooters with extensive playoff experience. Both also give us something Crabbe didn't - Green defense and Dudley is a better rebounder and much better passer than Crabbe.

Of the four SGs mentioned, Green would be, by far, my first choice because of his defense (2nd team all defense last season). He's a true 3 and D player.

For now, I'll assume we are keeping Harkless and if we do, we are flush at SF. Hark will be the starter and after adding two young bigs in the draft, I believe Aminu will see more minutes at the 3, with Turner and Layman also pitching in for spot minutes.

Other than a replacement SG, I believe a solid, experienced back up center is our biggest need. This is where it gets interesting. There are several that are potentially available, that either don't fit with their current team's plans or may be available in a salary dump. Here's a few examples:

Kyle O'Quinn. It's no secret I like this guy. Solid back up that can play both the 4 and 5. Great rebounder, elite rim protector, high motor, underrated passer. Jump shot does not extend to 3-point range, but he scores efficiently around the basket and has a solid mid range game. Would be great backing Nurk, but could also play beside him. Great transitional piece to ease Swanigan and Collins into their future roles. Knicks would be fine moving him as he doesn't fit in the future plans. He's cheap and would leave us with $8.8 of the TPE to use on someone else, if we choose.

Cole Aldrich. Another great rebounder and rim protector that is underutilized on his current team. Was great backing up DeAndre Jordan two years ago. Also cheap, would use less than half the TPE this season and 2018-19 is a team option. Another solid transitional piece to give the young guys a year of seasoning before we have to rely on them in a major role. MIN is currently just over the salary cap. So, they may be willing to move Aldrich for part of our TPE if they decide they want to go all in for Kyrie Irving.

John Henson - supposedly available, makes $11+ million, with three years left. At least it's a declining contract. Not a fan. His individual stats look good, but he's a good shot blocker that also happens to be a terrible defender. He's thin and soft and gets pushed around way too easily. MIL suddenly finds themselves over the tax threshold. So, they'd love to dump his salary, but I'd pass on this one. Either of the first two would be far better, far cheaper and on shorter contracts.

WAS is another team that suddenly finds itself over the luxury tax threshold. I'm sure they'd love to dump Ian Mahinmi on us, but at $16.6 million he's way over our TPE. Wouldn't want him anyway. I'd love to have Marcin Gortat. At $12.8 million, the TPE would just cover his salary, but no way does WAS move him. They are in win now mode and depending on what happens in CLE, WAS could be challenging BOS for the No. 1 seed in the East. Worst case, they are a top 3 team in the East and the Polish Hammer is a vital part of that.

Tyson Chandler - at $13 million he just exceeds our TPE. That's OK, I don't want him anyway. Too old. He'll be 35 before the season starts and this isn't the same Tyson Chandler that patrolled the middle in NY and DAL. Both C.J. McCollum (42) and Meyers Leonard (28) blocked more shots than Chandler (24) last season. No thanks to that.

BNM
 
theprunetang said:
Healthy, but completely fucked up. I got the generalized anxiety disorder thing on lockdown.
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My anxiety slowly crept up until about 3 years ago. and then it just said "Hey, I got you now, fucktwat. Lets mess with this, and this, and that. Oh, you're driving? Weeee! Best time."

:MARIS61:
 
Boob-No-More said:

No problem. Not going to put that much effort into it as I'm sure Neil already has plans for that trade exception.



Tobias Harris makes $16 million. So, we can't get him with the $12.9 million TPE.

Tony Allen is, I believe, an unsigned free agent. If so, the TPE cannot be used to sign him outright, although a sign and trade with MEM is a possibility.

I took a quick look through some of the other teams rosters. I mostly focused on teams that are suddenly over the lux tax threshold and may welcome a TPE to get under the threshold and teams that are rebuilding and have a veteran player that doesn't fit in with their future plans. Honestly, there isn't a lot out there. We might be better off holding onto the TPE until the trade deadline when some teams that aren't contending may be looking to blow it up, or maybe be a facilitator in a multi-team trade.

Anyway, my thoughts...

Moving Crabbe leaves us potentially short handed in the back court. The obvious use of the TPE would be to shore up our back court. The two most obvious choices have already been mentioned: Eric Gordon and Courtney Lee. The TPE is large enough to swap straight across for either player. Both are older than Crabbe, but both are better (IMHO) and make 2/3 as much. Gordon is a better, more aggressive scorer. Lee is basically an older version of Crabbe with defense. I'd be fine with either of these as our Crabbe replacement, if that's Neil's plan.

My dark horse Crabbe replacements are Danny Green, should SAS go all in to land Kyrie and need to shed some salary for some reason (although I'm not sure why CLE wouldn't just take Green) and Jared Dudley. Dudley is a solid 3-point shooter that's used too coming off the bench. Both Green and Dudley currently make $10 million. Dudley has two years left. Green has two years, but the second is a player option he will probably decline. Both are career .400 3-point shooters with extensive playoff experience. Both also give us something Crabbe didn't - Green defense and Dudley is a better rebounder and much better passer than Crabbe.

Of the four SGs mentioned, Green would be, by far, my first choice because of his defense (2nd team all defense last season). He's a true 3 and D player.

For now, I'll assume we are keeping Harkless and if we do, we are flush at SF. Hark will be the starter and after adding two young bigs in the draft, I believe Aminu will see more minutes at the 3, with Turner and Layman also pitching in for spot minutes.

Other than a replacement SG, I believe a solid, experienced back up center is our biggest need. This is where it gets interesting. There are several that are potentially available, that either don't fit with their current team's plans or may be available in a salary dump. Here's a few examples:

Kyle O'Quinn. It's no secret I like this guy. Solid back up that can play both the 4 and 5. Great rebounder, elite rim protector, high motor, underrated passer. Jump shot does not extend to 3-point range, but he scores efficiently around the basket and has a solid mid range game. Would be great backing Nurk, but could also play beside him. Great transitional piece to ease Swanigan and Collins into their future roles. Knicks would be fine moving him as he doesn't fit in the future plans. He's cheap and would leave us with $8.8 of the TPE to use on someone else, if we choose.

Cole Aldrich. Another great rebounder and rim protector that is underutilized on his current team. Was great backing up DeAndre Jordan two years ago. Also cheap, would use less than half the TPE this season and 2018-19 is a team option. Another solid transitional piece to give the young guys a year of seasoning before we have to rely on them in a major role. MIN is currently just over the salary cap. So, they may be willing to move Aldrich for part of our TPE if they decide they want to go all in for Kyrie Irving.

John Henson - supposedly available, makes $11+ million, with three years left. At least it's a declining contract. Not a fan. His individual stats look good, but he's a good shot blocker that also happens to be a terrible defender. He's thin and soft and gets pushed around way too easily. MIL suddenly finds themselves over the tax threshold. So, they'd love to dump his salary, but I'd pass on this one. Either of the first two would be far better, far cheaper and on shorter contracts.

WAS is another team that suddenly finds itself over the luxury tax threshold. I'm sure they'd love to dump Ian Mahinmi on us, but at $16.6 million he's way over our TPE. Wouldn't want him anyway. I'd love to have Marcin Gortat. At $12.8 million, the TPE would just cover his salary, but no way does WAS move him. They are in win now mode and depending on what happens in CLE, WAS could be challenging BOS for the No. 1 seed in the East. Worst case, they are a top 3 team in the East and the Polish Hammer is a vital part of that.

Tyson Chandler - at $13 million he just exceeds our TPE. That's OK, I don't want him anyway. Too old. He'll be 35 before the season starts and this isn't the same Tyson Chandler that patrolled the middle in NY and DAL. Both C.J. McCollum (42) and Meyers Leonard (28) blocked more shots than Chandler (24) last season. No thanks to that.

BNM
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spot minutes for evan turner.......? with crabbe gone hes probably the first person off the bench if he doesnt start considering where this roster is right now.
 
Strenuus said:
My anxiety slowly crept up until about 3 years ago. and then it just said "Hey, I got you now, fucktwat. Lets mess with this, and this, and that. Oh, you're driving? Weeee! Best time."

:MARIS61:
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Well, we have a lot of company. That is how it happened with me as well. A slow build up and then a sudden change in everything where it just officially owned me. It was really confusing at first, but you find ways to deal. And yeah, I used to love driving, but it can be rough sometimes. One of the reasons I completely understood Royce White's travel problem.
 
I really don't think Neil is stupid enough to take on Anderson so I don't think that's who it is for considering who we drafted on top of guys like Vonleh, Meyers,Nurk,Davis. 6 bigs all together and you know Aminu will play PF minutes. Even if one big went out, I don't see us taking in another. Makes zero sense. Swanigan for sure needs minutes this year. Collins is a project. Nurk obviously, Vonleh. Put Aminu in at PF. Meyers or Davis gotta go. I feel like we will retain a wing out of this. Gotta be
 
What's up with mkg? He's a really good wing defender, but I don't know CHA thinking on him
 
theprunetang said:
Well, we have a lot of company. That is how it happened with me as well. A slow build up and then a sudden change in everything where it just officially owned me. It was really confusing at first, but you find ways to deal. And yeah, I used to love driving, but it can be rough sometimes. One of the reasons I completely understood Royce White's travel problem.
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It's a dark hole you can fall into and that shit can suck the life out of you. What's crazy is so many don't understand it. You tell them and they will be like oh yeah I have anxiety....like no this shit is on another level but everybody insists that oh yeah they know whats up to. Like no shit everybody has anxiety to an extent but I am talking generalized, like every day of your life and it fucks with so many things. Definitely frustrating
 
I feel like we've gone through most iterations of this 3 way deal, and how it could look. Or, I know I have. Who can fit into what salary slot, etc. Looking at the depth charts of each team:

Lillard/Napier
McCollum/Connaughton
Harkless/Turner
Vonleh/Aminu/Swanigan
Nurkic/Davis/Collins/Leonard

Knicks:
Ntilikina/Randle
Hardaway/Lee
Anthony/Thomas
Porzingas/
Hermangomez/O'Quinn/Noah

Paul
Harden/Gordon
Ariza/Tucker
Anderson/Mbah A Moute
Capela/Nene/Black

Not gonna really bother with the non guaranteeds.

If Houston lands Carmelo, he likely splits his time, along with Tucker and Mbah A Moute at the 3/4. No real need for Ariza there. Anderson honestly probably more valuable as someone who can stretch floor, catch and shoot when Paul, Harden and Carmelo are on there, and he can slide over to the 5 in small lineups. They are set at C with Capela and Nene theoretically able to split the 48 minutes between them, and also having inexplicably signed Tarik Black,and with Anderson seeing a few a night. They have no back court depth at all. Moving Gordon for Carmelo makes little sense, when they're then looking at minimum signings to add anyone behind Paul and Harden.

For Portland, adding Gordon to fill Crabbe's spot makes some sense in that we get someone who can create for themselves, which Crabbe couldn't do. But I don't see a ton of us using him as a super small ball SF, which means it's a strict 3 guard rotation between them, and Turner and Aminu and Ariza share minutes at the 3? Not enough to go around, even with Aminu(and Ariza) seeing time at the 4, IMO. A Gordon and Ariza package doesn't seem to make tons of sense.

Knicks, if it was just Anthony, have a decent wing rotation of Lee, Hardaway, Harkless. Harkless can move over to the 4 in some small lineups with KP at the 5, Lee and Hardaway at 2/3. No PGs on the roster. If there was a deal to do Anthony for Harkless, we do Harkless for Ariza, TPE for Gordon, and Houston did those 2 and unguaranteeds for Anthony, NYK would open up about 15 or so million in actual cap space to fill out the roster.
 
Sinobas said:
I'd take Vucevic.
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I was typing my response, but had the last two (Dudley and Green) as my dark horse Crabbe replacements. Either would be an upgrade over Crabbe, but would prefer Green for his defense. Now, we just need to figure out how to get him from SAS...

BNM
blazedanugz said:
spot minutes for evan turner.......? with crabbe gone hes probably the first person off the bench if he doesnt start considering where this roster is right now.
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Spot minutes at SF is what I wrote.

I think he'll get most of his minutes as a secondary ball handler when Dame or C.J. come out of the game. Not sure if that officially makes him our back up SG or back up PG as it will allow both Dame and C.J. to play off the ball more, but my point was with Crabbe gone, Turner won't see the bulk of his minutes at SF. That position will be covered primarily by Harkless and Aminu.

BNM
 
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