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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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Mediocre Man said:
I love the new,Rockets owner. I've actually met him. Nice guy. Although he once went to a car dealership dressed like a transient. No one helped him, so he bought it the next day and fired almost everyone
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Hmm...if I had his money, after my experience at Comcast today, I guess I'd buy it and fire a bunch of people.
 
Yup Woj and Lowe both said Portland wants Melo. Lowe said people don't realize how much Portland wants him. Woj said he really fits, and no pathway to a deal with Houston.

Would explain why no other move has been made. I think we're just going to wait him out. I expect Allen to be deep in tax. He's not going to settle for this current roster. A move will be made at some point.
 
santeesioux said:
Woj had Lowe on his latest podcast and they talked about Melo, anyone listen to it?
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Here is a transcript that I stole from somewhere:
Woj: This is a great September conversation, because, right, free agency's done. Everyone's waiting for camp to start. Carmelo is unlikely to be moved.

Lowe: We should talk about Carmelo. We can talk about Carmelo.

Woj: Let's talk about Carmelo. Houston right now just does not have a pathway to do a direct deal with New York based on what New York wants. Melo has not really waived the no-trade, he's not really open... maybe that happens. I think New York is hoping he opens this up. Portland would love for Melo to open this up.

Lowe: I think Portland... I mean you, you've been on the nose about Portland ahead of everybody but I think Portland wants Melo like way... like even more than people... like Portland, really really wants to get Melo.

Woj: It fits, I mean it really fits for them. I mean it really fits, obviously McCollum and Lillard and Nurkic who... I saw a photo of him the other day and I was talking to some Portland folks like, "he looks great. like lost weight." That's what they wanted him... get in shape. He's playing for... it's a contract year for him. Perfect. And you saw how good he was. They were tremendous with him after that trade. And you plug Melo into that team. And again, a team... that's the blueprint, right? They go out and draft two all-star level guards at, let's see, 6 and 10, right? 6 and 10 from Weber State and Lehigh. Neil Olshey picks those guards. The Nurkic deal, which, last year, it was funny... How many actual... this is a separate thing but... think of how few actual basketball trades there are anymore. Where somebody is trading a comparable player at a comparable position because we think our guy fits better with us than... It's like how trades used to be. There are almost no trades anymore. Every trade is built off somebody's lost leverage. They have to either.. they are either getting money off or somebody's taking on an asset for you know like the Chicago - New Orelans deal the other day for Pondexter, right?. They got paid cash, a decent 2nd round pick... because New Oreleans is creating space. That Nurkic - Plumlee deal was like, it was like a basketball trade. Like Denver had reasons to make the move and they thought maybe Plumlee could fit better with Jokic. And Nurkic and Mike Malone weren't great. Anyway, that deal, like, there aren't many of them, that was one of them. But Portland, you slide Carmelo in there... and again, free agency, guys aren't dying to go to Portland, Oregon. They're just not. And like a lot of other markets, but.... Carmelo for them puts them (garbled) it depends who would they give up. Like, they have some picks they could give. They'd be a really good team with him.

Lowe: They could also be the 5th seed.

Woj: But that's a pretty big jump. I mean, that's a pretty good team.

Lowe: It's where there were two years ago.

Woj: Yeah.

Lowe: I just, I mean... like Jeff Van Gundy said this, I was hoping to save it for our annual pre-season podcast. But like none of this matters.

Woj: (laughter) I know none of this matters. I know.

Lowe: The Warriors are just going to destroy everybody and that's it. But Portland, uh... So here's an interesting... I've been dying to ask you about this. So Melo signed his contract in the Summer of 2014 I think the year that LeBron moved. And it has an early termination option for 2018-19. Is it an early termination?

Woj: Mm hmm.

Lowe: For $27.928 million dollars. Looking at it now. When he signed that deal, and then the following year after that, when everybody understood the cap spike that was going to happen and how high the cap would go. There was this sort of like all of these players are going to turn down their options, they're going to re-enter free agency you know as soon as possible. Cash in another big deal. The cap's going to keep going up. The teams are going to, like... If you trade for Carmelo Anthony you have to... I don't know where his head's at but like... Carmelo Anthony probably should not opt out of $27.9 million dollars. Right? I mean like unless he gets... a buyout is a totally different scenario. But if a team like Portland or the Lakers or whoever trades for Carmelo Anthony like you kind of have to assume he's on our books for $28 million dollars for another year, right? I mean I would think so.

Woj: And that's why there are so few teams really interested at the number. Now on a buyout everybody like...

Lowe: Sure.

Woj: Everybody's interested in a buyout. There's not many teams in the league who... But you're right, does he opt out of that contract? I, I don't know how he get's it back.

Lowe: That's a lot of money.

Woj: It's like Dwyane Wade, Dwyane was similar. If Dwyane was not opting out of that money and he may get the buyout eventually but for him to not opt out of that $23 million?

Lowe: Do you think there is any chance that Carmelo doesn't report for training camp if he is still with the Knicks?

Woj: A few people have brought that up.

Lowe: That's why I asked.

Woj: I, I guess there's always a chance. But I would say that the idea of Melo taking a fine every day. And it's going to cost you money if you do that. I would think he's less apt to do that than other guys would. But, if he were to open up his no-trade to more teams and they still couldn't find a deal, I think then you can say, "Ok, like you guys haven't done your part". But when your no-trade is really with one team, Houston for the most part. It's harder.
 
Scalma said:
Yup Woj and Lowe both said Portland wants Melo. Lowe said people don't realize how much Portland wants him. Woj said he really fits, and no pathway to a deal with Houston.

Would explain why no other move has been made. I think we're just going to wait him out. I expect Allen to be deep in tax. He's not going to settle for this current roster. A move will be made at some point.
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So we won't settle for our current roster, but we'll gladly make it worse by adding Melo? Seems very Blazeresque
 
Mediocre Man said:
So we won't settle for our current roster, but we'll gladly make it worse by adding Melo? Seems very Blazeresque
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Long. Con.

Think long con.

We can't get big name free agents here. Well let's get a "top tier" player and show them what this city and fan base is about. Could lead to something fun down the road.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Long. Con.

Think long con.

We can't get big name free agents here. Well let's get a "top tier" player and show them what this city and fan base is about. Could lead to something fun down the road.
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120 to 158 losses?
 
I would totally do this trade:
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No need for Melo to change his mind about anything, and I think it actually makes the Rockets worse.
Of course, it's not really in the Knicks' interests, but if they REALLY want to offload Melo...
 
Adding Melo would be no different than San Antonio adding Rudy Gay. Scorers always have value. Guys like Gay and Melo are easy to shit on because they've been part of some bad teams, but this is a team sport and Melo has shown he can adapt to playing a more team oriented style of basketball when surrounded by better talent, so it's a move that intrigues me.
 
Well I honestly wish melo would come here but it's looking like he's just gonna stay in New York. Free agents just don't wanna play here and melo is practically a free agent in this decision because it's up to him whether he wants to come here or not. We just don't land them. If we could trade for him straight up, I think we would of gotten him. It's shitty.
 
Scalma said:
Adding Melo would be no different than San Antonio adding Rudy Gay. Scorers always have value. Guys like Gay and Melo are easy to shit on because they've been part of some bad teams, but this is a team sport and Melo has shown he can adapt to playing a more team oriented style of basketball when surrounded by better talent, so it's a move that intrigues me.
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Rudy Gay has a defensive real plus minus of +1.96. Melo on the other hand has an outstanding drpm of -1.75. LOL so ya, no different.

For comparison, Dame, who is a crappy defender, has a -1.49

And before someone says his offense makes up for it, Rudy Gay ranked 14th last year in SF real plus minus. Melo ranked 29th. You know who ranked ahead of him? Aminu, 16th and Harkless, 20th. While no stat is perfect, the top ranked SF's are Lebron, Kawhi Leonard, Durant, Greek Freak. It means something
 
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A really nice article on Dame and his annual picnic in East Oakland contains this bit about the Carmelo saga:

"Lillard said that he spoke to New York Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony about the possibility of waiving his no-trade clause to be dealt to Portland, but doesn’t see any trade in sight. Lillard said that Anthony “didn’t seem opposed” to the idea of playing for the Blazers when they spoke.

“I didn’t want to press him,” Lillard said of Anthony. “I ain’t a big fan of doing all the extra recruiting and all that stuff. And I guess they call it tampering or whatever. It’s not against the rules for us to interact with each other. We all peers, we all play in the same league and everybody hints at playing with each other. ‘What you think about this?’ ‘What do you think about that?’ All that matters is whether it got done or did not get done. Or hasn’t got done, and it hasn’t got done. So, it is what it is …

“I’m not giving up on anything. I just think I’ve done what I can do. And camp is a few weeks away. And you have to focus on getting ready with who we are, plan on going in as we are. Whatever changes, the front office will be the ones making that change, with the Knicks and our front office or whatever. But I get my mind focused on what I can control at a certain point.”

https://theundefeated.com/features/damian-lillard-annual-picnic-east-oakland-neighborhood/
 
Not sure that Melo would necessarily tell Dame straight up: "Yeah, about that man, uhh...nothing personal but I'm not really down for playing with you Trail Cats up there in the Great Wet North, ya know? We're still cool though, right?"
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I would totally do this trade:
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No need for Melo to change his mind about anything, and I think it actually makes the Rockets worse.
Of course, it's not really in the Knicks' interests, but if they REALLY want to offload Melo...
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Rastapopoulos said:
No trade that ships out Meyers is a bad trade.
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I don't like Nards either but this is untrue.

Ryan Anderson is making 20 million a year for 3 years.
Meyers Leonard is making 10 million a year for 3 years.
Money alone says taking back Ryan Anderson to just get rid of Nards is a bad trade for Portland.

People complain about cap space.
Your trade gives Portland less flexibility, because not only do you get rid of 3/30 contract. You get rid of an expiring contract in Davis.
This is a trade that NO won't make, nor should anyone ever make. Ryan Anderson is an albatross contract with 3/60 left on his deal.
 
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