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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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e_blazer said:
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Hahaha!! That's WTF he gets!!
 
This article says we can rule out the Cavs (click the link and there's some pickup game video):

Carmelo Anthony isn’t coming to the Cavs

Carmelo Anthony won’t be joining the Cleveland Cavaliers.
For all intents and purposes, it looks increasingly unlikely that Carmelo Anthony, the New York Knicks’ oft-disgruntled forward, will be on the Cleveland Cavaliers roster for the 2017-2018 season.

According to Basketball Insiders’ Steve Kyler, Anthony has yet to expand his list of teams he wants to be traded to and as a result the Houston Rockets remain the only team he would waive his no-trade clause for.


Furthermore, with the Cavs seeming both unwilling and unlikely to trade Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson, Jae Crowder or valuable draft picks for Anthony, there doesn’t seem to be a trade package the Cavs can put together for the 10-time All-Star that will appease his bosses in the Big Apple.

To be honest, that’s okay.

Yes, Anthony could provide a scoring punch from the forward that could be extremely useful for the Cavs while they wait for Isaiah Thomas to return his injury, when LeBron James wants to rest and against the Golden State Warriors’ stingy defenders. Despite an inglorious reputation from media, bloggers and fans, Anthony remains one of the best scorers in the game and has been one of the best players the game has ever seen.

However, due to the depth and defensive potential the Cavs have at the forward positions with James, Jae Crowder, Richard Jefferson, Jeff Green and even Cedi Osman, Anthony’s fit on the team would be questionable. Especially with Love on the team, another All-Star player who demands a large role and thrives as a spot-up shooter but has glaring holes in his defensive game.

Now, that isn’t to say the defensive identity of the forward unit nullifies the possibility that the Cavs would need another combo forward who can be a volume scorer.

As previously mentioned, when James rests it would be nice to have another forward who could create his own shots and make the tough ones, especially against tough defenses. Crowder showed the ability to do that against the Cavs in the Eastern Conference Finals last season but he shouldn’t be relied on to excel in an unfamiliar role throughout the season or against playoff foes.

Still, in a vacuum, to get through the Warriors (which is what this is all about) all the Cavs needed was better defense, a better bench and one more volume scorer than they had last season. They certainly improved their defense and ability to guard Kevin Durant with the additions of Green and Crowder. At the point guard position, Rose will be an upgrade over Deron Williams on both ends and again, Crowder’s addition to the Cavs is especially important. He’s an upgrade over Derrick Williams on both ends and could vie for Sixth Man of the Year votes by having a prominent role with the Cavs.

In theory, with James, Love, Thomas and Rose the Cavs will have more volume scorers than last season. So, in theory, the Cavs should be fine. Especially if they manage to add the services of, say, Dwyane Wade.

If Anthony looks like he’ll waive his no-trade clause for the Cavs, or better yet reaches a buyout with the New York Knicks, then Cleveland will be a viable destination. However, that seems unlikely. Trading for Anthony is complicated, and as a result he’s likely to either play out the season with the Knicks, no matter how dramatic it ends up or how unhappy he is.
 
dviss1 said:
Carmelo Anthony isn’t coming to the Cavs
However, due to the depth and defensive potential the Cavs have at the forward positions with James, Jae Crowder, Richard Jefferson, Jeff Green and even Cedi Osman, Anthony’s fit on the team would be questionable.
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Do we not have the same issue?
Vonleh, Collins, Swanigan, Aminu, Davis, Harkless.
Seems to me we have more than enough Fs and not enough Gs.

I understand that Melo is better than any of our forwards. But is he really? Harkless is much more efficient (+7 FG%, but also +4 ORtg, and +3 Drtg, better VORP, better BPM). And Melo will pull shots away from Dame, CJ, and Nurk - all of whom are also more efficient scorers. A team full of guys who all need their shots doesn't often work - GSW is an exception, and only works so well because Green relishes setting up his teammates. And Melo isn't going to make us better than GSW...or even HOU for that matter! And probably not even OKC.

Trading out a good role player for a player who doesn't really want to be here, and only is considering it because he hates where he's at currently, is a bad idea. If Melo was on board when Dame/CJ first pitched it to him I might be more into it. But he wasn't, isn't, and never will be excited about coming to Portland - it's just the lesser of two evils. Trading away assets for him would be stupid.

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blue9 said:
Do we not have the same issue?
Vonleh, Collins, Swanigan, Aminu, Davis, Harkless.
Seems to me we have more than enough Fs and not enough Gs.

I understand that Melo is better than any of our forwards. But is he really? Harkless is much more efficient (+7 FG%, but also +4 ORtg, and +3 Drtg, better VORP, better BPM). And Melo will pull shots away from Dame, CJ, and Nurk - all of whom are also more efficient scorers. A team full of guys who all need their shots doesn't often work - GSW is an exception, and only works so well because Green relishes setting up his teammates. And Melo isn't going to make us better than GSW...or even HOU for that matter! And probably not even OKC.

Trading out a good role player for a player who doesn't really want to be here, and only is considering it because he hates where he's at currently, is a bad idea. If Melo was on board when Dame/CJ first pitched it to him I might be more into it. But he wasn't, isn't, and never will be excited about coming to Portland - it's just the lesser of two evils. Trading away assets for him would be stupid.

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I'm just marveling at your cut and paste skills.

Quality work. :clap:

There are lots of arguments against Anthony. This is a good one.

I think the main argument for is that he would be more efficient with the team around him. He's never played on a team that good on paper.
 
dviss1 said:
I think the main argument for is that he would be more efficient with the team around him. He's never played on a team that good on paper.
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I do agree that his efficiency would probably increase if he played for us. But there are still so many other arguments against him - the cons heavily outweigh the pros. I fear that this will be a worse version of the Afflalo trade - at least in that scenario an argument could be made that Afflalo was a move to put us "over the top". At best, Melo puts us in the middle of the Playoff pack, rather than fighting for the final spot.
 
blue9 said:
I do agree that his efficiency would probably increase if he played for us. But there are still so many other arguments against him - the cons heavily outweigh the pros. I fear that this will be a worse version of the Afflalo trade - at least in that scenario an argument could be made that Afflalo was a move to put us "over the top". At best, Melo puts us in the middle of the Playoff pack, rather than fighting for the final spot.
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Now you're comparing apples to Viagra.

Those 2 trades are nothing alike.
 
dviss1 said:
Now you're comparing apples to Viagra.

Those 2 trades are nothing alike.
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Agreed - the Afflalo one made a modicum of sense! But both will end the same way...as failures.
 
blue9 said:
Do we not have the same issue?
Vonleh, Collins, Swanigan, Aminu, Davis, Harkless.
Seems to me we have more than enough Fs and not enough Gs.

I understand that Melo is better than any of our forwards. But is he really? Harkless is much more efficient (+7 FG%, but also +4 ORtg, and +3 Drtg, better VORP, better BPM). And Melo will pull shots away from Dame, CJ, and Nurk - all of whom are also more efficient scorers. A team full of guys who all need their shots doesn't often work - GSW is an exception, and only works so well because Green relishes setting up his teammates. And Melo isn't going to make us better than GSW...or even HOU for that matter! And probably not even OKC.

Trading out a good role player for a player who doesn't really want to be here, and only is considering it because he hates where he's at currently, is a bad idea. If Melo was on board when Dame/CJ first pitched it to him I might be more into it. But he wasn't, isn't, and never will be excited about coming to Portland - it's just the lesser of two evils. Trading away assets for him would be stupid.

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:smiley-nope: You're really trying to say Moe Harkless is more valuable to us than Carmelo Anthony would be? Do you hear yourself? Seriously asking, cause somehow you have a a first ballot hall of fame player as worse than a guy we traded a top 55 protected 2nd rounder for who no other team found worthy enough to offer a contract to. I like moe, he's a nice role player that any team would love to have compliment their stars, but jeez worth more than Melo? you're out to lunch. Even if we are the lesser of two evils he still would have to agree to come here and choose us aka by definition he would have to be on board with it. Who gives a fuck if we werent his first choice he would still be here for 2 years and could learn to love the place, who knows. Just look whats happening in OKC PG is saying he might stay if it works.

Nothing is going to make us better than GSW so you just need to get over it, but we would be at least even with Houston and OKC if not better. So all of a sudden you would hate it if the blazers actually made a deep playoff run just cause we dont win a title? This is a really dumb argument to make this team with Melo is fighting for top 3 in the west without him fighting for 6-7, maybe. The 'assets' we give up (probably ed moe and Nards and a unprotected first ) are worth putting your chips in on the big 4 we would have over the next 2 seasons. At least this trade gives us a chance to be relevant for a change.

Soccer moms need to realize two fives dont equal a 10 and a 2018 mid 20's pick isnt getting us in the contender conversation. If the deal is there you make it.
 
Two different POVs regarding whether Melo will stay here. IMO, he's here for one year then gone. Giving up Harkless + 1st rounder for a year rental of Mediocre Melo makes us worse in the long run. I've said all along that we would probably be better for a season, but not significantly so. I don't see any point in spending assets on a one or maybe two year marginal increase in wins. It's a stupid strategy.

Melo waiving his clause to come here doesn't mean he wants to be here - if he did, he'd already be on the team. All it means is that he's come to terms with the fact he can't play in HOU, and going anywhere is better than staying in NYK. That's not a player I want to spend assets on - not at this stage of his career, and with his contract situation. Again, if the situation was completely different, I could be on board - but with the way things are there are just way too many red flags.

There will be other trade options in the future. Save our assets for a trade that doesn't have so many red flags.
 
blue9 said:
Two different POVs regarding whether Melo will stay here. IMO, he's here for one year then gone. Giving up Harkless + 1st rounder for a year rental of Mediocre Melo makes us worse in the long run. I've said all along that we would probably be better for a season, but not significantly so. I don't see any point in spending assets on a one or maybe two year marginal increase in wins. It's a stupid strategy.

Melo waiving his clause to come here doesn't mean he wants to be here - if he did, he'd already be on the team. All it means is that he's come to terms with the fact he can't play in HOU, and going anywhere is better than staying in NYK. That's not a player I want to spend assets on - not at this stage of his career, and with his contract situation. Again, if the situation was completely different, I could be on board - but with the way things are there are just way too many red flags.

There will be other trade options in the future. Save our assets for a trade that doesn't have so many red flags.
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Get off your damn high horse and take a chance man! There will always be a question mark and a risk in anything you do.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Get off your damn high horse and take a chance man! There will always be a question mark and a risk in anything you do.
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Sure. But there don't need to be 5 question marks.
Also, I don't think you know what a high horse is...
 
It's inevitable. As much as I don't want it to happen, I'll get on board when it does happen. It'll at least make for a fun season...
 
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