The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster

[Cippy91]

I'm confused. If the only two trades that would have helped us were out of Neil's hands despite his efforts... what's there to be mad about? We can't control what other people do, so you just have to deal with it. No point in being mad if you understand that.

Well if you read my posts from earlier, I noted that. I fully understand these two trades were out of Neil's hands, however last seasons mistakes came back to bite us. It just sucks watching every team get better and hoping in a couple years we can be an elite team and compete for a title.

 

[Cippy91]

Nope. I just never thought he'd end up here anyway. It's too damned far from his son.

I don't think it has anything to do with his kid, he is gonna be away all season anyway, what's the difference where he is at? It's not like okc is super close to New York

 

[SlyPokerDog]

My take on all this is that I picked the wrong month to quit smoking weed. still looking forward to the season. Go Blazers!

 

[Strenuus]

Well if you read my posts from earlier, I noted that. I fully understand these two trades were out of Neil's hands, however last seasons mistakes came back to bite us. It just sucks watching every team get better and hoping in a couple years we can be an elite team and compete for a title.

It's what everyone else is doing too - within their control. In 4 years Meyers will be gone and replaced by a wet towel, and we'll gain 6 wins and get to the finals.

Patience is a virtue. I'm going to be a fan in 4 years anyway, I can wait. Marathon - not a sprint. Especially when the other racer is Usain Bolt.

 

[H.C.]

Look I wanted Melo because I think if he played a certain way he would've made Portland better.
I did have concerns though.
Would Melo play put his ego to the side and play winning basketball?
Can Melo & Nurk play together. Or would they occupy the same space on the court?
Is Melo willing to accept a secondary and at times third wheel role behind two better players?
Is Nurk willing to sacrifice his contract year at 22 years of age to make Portland better?

At the end of the day, even though I do think Melo would've made Portland better.
However, this may turn into a deal NO got '''lucky''' to not complete.

Harkless has value, Vonleh has Value. Portland still has a TPE of 12mil.
Nards can't lower his value anymore than what it already is.
Davis, Aminu, and Turner are pros. They'll rebound from the season they had last year. Especially if those three are actually healthy for the majority of the season, and not in and out with injuries.

 

[H.C.]

Meh. How much value does the 30th pick really have anyway?

It will be the last pick of the 1st round. So pretty much a 2nd round pick on steroids.

HCP is going to get you two.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well if you read my posts from earlier, I noted that. I fully understand these two trades were out of Neil's hands, however last seasons mistakes came back to bite us. It just sucks watching every team get better and hoping in a couple years we can be an elite team and compete for a title.

I get that you're upset, but exactly how did last season's mistakes come back to bite us?

I agree that we shouldn't have matched BRK's offer sheet for Crabbe, but he's gone and his production will likely be replaced by Anthony Morrow at 1/10 the cost. If not we have a $12.9 million TPE we can use to find an even better replacement.

I also agree that we overpaid for Turner and Meyers.

So yes, I agree these were mistakes, but they didn't keep us from getting Nurk, and had absolutely nothing to do with us not getting PG13 or Carmelo Anthony.

BNM

 

[Strenuus]

I get that you're upset, but exactly how did last season's mistakes come back to bite us?

I agree that we shouldn't have matched BRK's offer sheet for Crabbe, but he's gone and his production will likely be replaced by Anthony Morrow at 1/10 the cost. If not we have a $12.9 million TPE we can use to find an even better replacement.

I also agree that we overpaid for Turner and Meyers.

So yes, I agree these were mistakes, but they didn't keep us from getting Nurk, and had absolutely nothing to do with us not getting PG13 or Carmelo Anthony.

BNM

Exactly.

 

[Cippy91]

I get that you're upset, but exactly how did last season's mistakes come back to bite us?

I agree that we shouldn't have matched BRK's offer sheet for Crabbe, but he's gone and his production will likely be replaced by Anthony Morrow at 1/10 the cost. If not we have a $12.9 million TPE we can use to find an even better replacement.

I also agree that we overpaid for Turner and Meyers.

So yes, I agree these were mistakes, but they didn't keep us from getting Nurk, and had absolutely nothing to do with us not getting PG13 or Carmelo Anthony.

BNM

Well we gave up crabbe for nothing. If he was cheaper we could of got something or we just didn't have to match that offer sheet at all. Could of spared that contract on turner too and used that money more wisely. It kinda bad robbed us of two valuable assets. That's how it but us. As well as Meyers contract which didn't need to be given at all. Completely fine with what harkless got though

 

[Cippy91]

Pretty ballsy move by okc. All three of those guys will be free agents next year. Crazy. They are going all in on this. Will be interesting to see what players or player ends up in LA, where Lebron goes if he goes.

 

[SIeepwalker]

I hope Melo get boo'd everytime he touches the ball when he comes to Portland

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[e_blazer]

I don't think it has anything to do with his kid, he is gonna be away all season anyway, what's the difference where he is at? It's not like okc is super close to New York

It makes a huge difference in the chances he'd get to see his son during the season. A two hour flight each way is something you can do over a couple of off days. Six hours each way, not so much.

 

[Cippy91]

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well we gave up crabbe for nothing. If he was cheaper we could of got something or we just didn't have to match that offer sheet at all. Could of spared that contract on turner too and used that money more wisely. It kinda bad robbed us of two valuable assets. That's how it but us. As well as Meyers contract which didn't need to be given at all. Completely fine with what harkless got though

Crabbe being cheaper was not an option. It was either match BRK's offer or let him walk for nothing (really and truly nothing). Neil (Paul, really) took a gamble that Crabbe would improve. He didn't. So, we traded him to BRK for a $12.9 million TPE. Even with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight, the options came down to not match and get nothing (actual nothing), or match, get a year of play from Crabbe and a $12.9 million TPE. You're compaining about getting nothing for Crabbe, which is EXACTLY what we would have got if we hadn't matched BRK's offer.

Last summer was a use it or lose it situation with regards to cap space. With C.J.'s extension kicking in, we were going to be over the cap this summer, and for the foreseeable future. So, it was use that cap space or lose it. Unfortunately, there were a LOT of bad contracts handed out last summer. Sure, in hindsight, we overpaid for Turner, but there were a lot of worse contracts handed out (Parsons, Noah, Mosgov, Deng, Ryan Anderson, etc.). Could we have done better than Turner? In theory, but remember the player also has to want to come here. That's what the free in free agent means. Neil went hard after Whiteside, and he later stated POR was his second choice. Neil offered him the most he could, but Whiteside chose to stay in MIA instead.

We were already over the cap when we resigned Meyers. We resigned him using his Bird Rights. We could not have offered that money to anyone else. Should we have paid him less, probably, but we didn't miss out on anyone else by signing our own player using his Bird Rights.

BNM

 

[Cippy91]

Crabbe being cheaper was not an option. It was either match BRK's offer or let him walk for nothing (really and truly nothing). Neil (Paul, really) took a gamble that Crabbe would improve. He didn't. So, we traded him to BRK for a $12.9 million TPE. Even with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight, the options came down to not match and get nothing (actual nothing), or match, get a year of play from Crabbe and a $12.9 million TPE. You're compaining about getting nothing for Crabbe, which is EXACTLY what we would have got if we hadn't matched BRK's offer.

Last summer was a use it or lose it situation with regards to cap space. With C.J.'s extension kicking in, we were going to be over the cap this summer, and for the foreseeable future. So, it was use that cap space or lose it. Unfortunately, there were a LOT of bad contracts handed out last summer. Sure, in hindsight, we overpaid for Turner, but there were a lot of worse contracts handed out (Parsons, Noah, Mosgov, Deng, Ryan Anderson, etc.). Could we have done better than Turner? In theory, but remember the player also has to want to come here. That's what the free in free agent means. Neil went hard after Whiteside, and he later stated POR was his second choice. Neil offered him the most he could, but Whiteside chose to stay in MIA instead.

We were already over the cap when we resigned Meyers. We resigned him using his Bird Rights. We could not have offered that money to anyone else. Should we have paid him less, probably, but we didn't miss out on anyone else by signing our own player using his Bird Rights.

BNM

Even turner was surprised at that offer

 

[Boob-No-More]

Even turner was surprised at that offer

And I'm sure Mosgov was surprised by offer he got from the Lakers and Crabbe was probably surprised twice. Once by the offer he got from BRK and a second time when POR decided to match.

Last summer was the perfect storm for average, or even below average, players to get paid ridiculous money. With the new TV deal kicking in, it created an unprecedented, one time bump in the salary cap. There was a shit ton of money to go around, but only a small percentage of the league's players were free agents. So, a LOT of money spread among a very small amount of players. Most of the guys who got the big contracts last summer were just flat out lucky that they happened to be free agents at exactly the right time. Turner included.

BNM

 

[blue9]

Our championship window opens in two or three years, long after the western conference bubble bursts. It’ll be Portland, Golden State, and Minnesota in the West, and Milwaukee in the East.

How awesome would that be?!

 

[e_blazer]

Goodbye Melo Extra Fiber Mondo Thread. Time to crap you off into the sewer of RipCity2 history. We hardly knew ye.

 

[Chris Craig]

Close thread

 

[tlongII]

I’m happy. I never thought we would get Melo anyway. I believe we can compete. We’ll need some breaks, but everybody does.

 

[blazedanugz]

So who are we trading for before Monday?

 

[blue9]

So who are we trading for before Monday?

How about Turner for TPE's twin brother?

 

[Natebishop3]

I’m happy. I never thought we would get Melo anyway. I believe we can compete. We’ll need some breaks, but everybody does.

Compete for what? The 8th seed? Maybe the second round at the most?

 

[santeesioux]

I told you guys you should move the Rose Garden down here to Oregon's city of sunshine, we get like 300 days of it as opposed to your dreary cloudy weather everyday.

 

[theprunetang]

If Dame isn't in Portland, I'm not sure who was in that pic with my dad at the Maurice Lucas Foundation Dinner last night.

I think @yuyuza1 momentarily forgot that airplanes are a thing.

 

[theprunetang]

At least I can go back to disliking Melo. With Melo never adding Portland to his list, despite Dame and CJ talking with him about it, he just bare-hand slapped our team in the face. I know he will be getting my boos this season.

 

[Dom McBlazer]

Nobody knows what's actually going on here, wait till something happens and it becomes clear to pass judgement.

My post you replied to was more so my disgusted response to those who wanted Melo. That's all.

Nite we can officially say: Fuck Melo

Good thing is: He doesn't make OKC better at all.

Exactly. This shit is gonna be hilarious if that team blows up next offseason. It's not like OKC's ball-movement was that good to begin with. Now you add a player who loves going ISO? What could possibly go wrong?

It's either a 2nd round pick or a 2024 first rounder. That's the earliest first round pick OKC could trade.

I hope Melo enjoys standing around in the 4th quarter of every close game, especially the playoffs watching Westbrook play hero ball. Going to OKC is a complete waste of his remaining talent. There is only one ball, and that ball belongs to Russell Westbrook and he ain't giving it up when the game is on the line. Don't believe me, just ask Kevin Durant.

BNM

This. But boy do they have a dearth of depth on their bench.

 

[Trackjack]

All 3 players in OKC likes to go Iso. They will have good starting 5 but not much after that and Melo the last 2 years he been having trouble with his knees. Houston is in the same bolt but maybe not has good as OKC but both don't have a bench. Hopefully for us that our players work there ass off to make there self better.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Then who did I see at PDX?