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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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Scalma said:
I’d play Melo with the second unit, where he can be more of a focal point. He can play with the starters late in games instead of Aminu when we need to score.

Curry
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Gotta come up with, I would think, at minimum 20 minutes per game for him.
 
hoopsjock said:
At halftime last night Dame and CJ had a combined 8 points and we were up 17.
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And that lead disappeared when Stevens started aggressively trapping Dame and sending weakside help to Nurk. Aminu hit his wide open shots when it mattered yesterday. Getting another guy who can is not exactly a bad thing. And I've seen Chief brick wide open looks too many times in the playoffs to really give him the benefit of the doubt. What are we losing here? Taking a few mins away from Meyers and Jake? The potential reward is far greater than the risk.
 
yuyuza1 said:
And that lead disappeared when Stevens started aggressively trapping Dame and sending weakside help to Nurk. Aminu hit his wide open shots when it mattered yesterday. Getting another guy who can is not exactly a bad thing. And I've seen Chief brick wide open looks too many times in the playoffs to really give him the benefit of the doubt. What are we losing here? Taking a few mins away from Meyers and Jake? The potential risk is far greater than the reward.
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Also, Dame had 12 dimes last night. That doesn't happen very often.
 
hoopsjock said:
The season is still young but wouldn't you agree that both Dame and CJ have a lot less pressure on them to score so far this year?
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Absolutely. The addition of shooters has made a huge difference. Layman, Sauce, and Curry have really made a huge impact on this team, but my opinion is that having guys that can put the team on their back is a good thing. It enables your shooters. They just have to be willing passers. I don't know if Melo is a willing passer, but I hope he is.

Dame has shown that he will feed the hot hand, and he'll turn on the Dame Time juice when the time comes. He is the best leader we have ever had, in my opinion.
 
yuyuza1 said:
And that lead disappeared when Stevens started aggressively trapping Dame and sending weakside help to Nurk. Aminu hit his wide open shots when it mattered yesterday. Getting another guy who can is not exactly a bad thing. And I've seen Chief brick wide open looks too many times in the playoffs to really give him the benefit of the doubt. What are we losing here? Taking a few mins away from Meyers and Jake? The potential reward is far greater than the risk.
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I am not a huge Aminu fan but you are completely wrong about him in the playoffs. In 4 seasons making the playoffs his career 3P% is 43%. He's never shot worse than 40% in a playoff series.

I think the potential of developing Layman and eventually Baldwin is greater than the potential of Melo. Now if a trade was made first to open up a roster spot then I'd be fine bringing Melo in. You admit that Melo was being used wrong but then think he'd help when Dame gets trapped? What they need to do is stop getting Dame trapped. If that is your reasoning we'd be using Melo just like OKC and Houston did.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Absolutely. The addition of shooters has made a huge difference. Layman, Sauce, and Curry have really made a huge impact on this team, but my opinion is that having guys that can put the team on their back is a good thing. It enables your shooters. They just have to be willing passers. I don't know if Melo is a willing passer, but I hope he is.

Dame has shown that he will feed the hot hand, and he'll turn on the Dame Time juice when the time comes. He is the best leader we have ever had, in my opinion.
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Obviously I agree with you about Dame being a great leader. However, Chris Paul is Melo's best friend so even though he's a complete d-bag and a crappy teammate it's puzzling to me that they aren't able to co-exist. It kind of worries me that Melo might be a major buzz kill behind the scenes with whining or something like that. I'm not really sure why else he'd be released by the Rockets.
 
Melo is a completely terrible idea. The fact that Houston is waiving him already speaks volumes to his lack of value. He's a one dimensional, high usage player who struggles to fit into an offense and sucks just as much life out of a defense with his nonexistent effort. The only sort of team his style can be compatible with is a tanking team. There's a reason why two playoff teams in a row have been overjoyed to drop him.

Personally I think he should just go to China and chuck with Starbury and the Jimmer.
 
hoopsjock said:
kind of worries me that Melo might be a major buzz kill behind the scenes with whining or something like that. I'm not really sure why else he'd be released by the Rockets.
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Could be a Mike D'antoni incompatibility issue.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Could be a Mike D'antoni incompatibility issue.
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Yeah, you're probably right but then I go back to why did they even sign him knowing that he had already played for D'Antoni? It's not like they went into the situation not knowing if it would work or not.
 
Also, Melo is a guy who posted a TS% of .452 last year in the playoffs as a 3rd option. Where does this idea that he can help offensively come from? He's embarrassingly washed up and I'd way rather see those shots go to Collins/Curry/Turner/Stauskas/Layman.
 
hoopsjock said:
Yeah, you're probably right but then I go back to why did they even sign him knowing that he had already played for D'Antoni? It's not like they went into the situation not knowing if it would work or not.
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Daryl Morey is obsessed with big names.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Gotta come up with, I would think, at minimum 20 minutes per game for him.
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The minutes are there. There are about 20 minutes just between Leonard and Biggie. Can stagger the remaining 5 or whatever.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Daryl Morey is obsessed with big names.
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True, but he's also obsessed with analytics. He seems to want people to think he's a genius so knowing Melo's deterioration analytically it surprises me that being a big name would win out over his philosophies.
 
hoopsjock said:
True, but he's also obsessed with analytics. He seems to want people to think he's a genius so knowing Melo's deterioration analytically it surprises me that being a big name would win out over his philosophies.
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He also signed Dwight Howard, despite analytic arguments against, so he's demonstrated a tendency to value stars over stats.
 
Do you guys think the Vulcans would even sign off on signing him?
 
hoopsjock said:
True, but he's also obsessed with analytics. He seems to want people to think he's a genius so knowing Melo's deterioration analytically it surprises me that being a big name would win out over his philosophies.
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Carmelo was a year removed from being an effective player in New York. I mean his PER was almost 18. Objectively, that’s above average for a starter. In a vacuum I can understand taking him on. What I don’t think he thought of enough is how Melo would fit in Houston’s offense. Melo has always been more of a halfcourt player and probably clashed with dantoni for that reason. Im guessing Morey figured playing with his buddies would fix those issues? I don’t know, but I do know he’d be a better fit in Portland’s system.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
He also signed Dwight Howard, despite analytic arguments against, so he's demonstrated a tendency to value stars over stats.
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I don't know about that. Howard has some monster analytic numbers. It's the same reason Capela is on the team. In fact Dwight Howard has some of the best analytics of All-Time.

Career TRB% of 20.9% -4th best going back to 1970 when the stats are recorded

Career BLK% of 4.37% - 27th going back to 1973

Career eFG% of 58.3% - 5th All-Time!

Career TS% of 59.9% - 21st All-Time!

Career DBPM of 2.77 - 26th going back to 1973

Career VORP of 39.9 - 54th going back to 1973

Career PER of 21.6 - 40th going back to 1951

Career DRTG of 99.5 - 26th going back to 1973

Career Win Shares/48 of 0.172 - 54th of All-Time!

I got sick of looking it up but you get the point.
 
Scalma said:
Carmelo was a year removed from being an effective player in New York. I mean his PER was almost 18. Objectively, that’s above average for a starter. In a vacuum I can understand taking him on. What I don’t think he thought of enough is how Melo would fit in Houston’s offense. Melo has always been more of a halfcourt player and probably clashed with dantoni for that reason. Im guessing Morey figured playing with his buddies would fix those issues? I don’t know, but I do know he’d be a better fit in Portland’s system.
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Melo is not what a team that is playing good team ball and which has exhibited great chemistry needs
 
Scalma said:
Carmelo was a year removed from being an effective player in New York. I mean his PER was almost 18. Objectively, that’s above average for a starter. In a vacuum I can understand taking him on. What I don’t think he thought of enough is how Melo would fit in Houston’s offense. Melo has always been more of a halfcourt player and probably clashed with dantoni for that reason. Im guessing Morey figured playing with his buddies would fix those issues? I don’t know, but I do know he’d be a better fit in Portland’s system.
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I won't disagree that the system here would be fine for him, especially since it seems like no one even knows what a fast break is on the Blazers. How do we know he isn't falling off because he is 34 years old now though? It's possible that he just isn't that good anymore. I think some people's views are skewed by a physical freak like LeBron from the same draft class who looks like he is evading father time.
 
Scalma said:
The minutes are there. There are about 20 minutes just between Leonard and Biggie. Can stagger the remaining 5 or whatever.
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Those are the same minutes. They aren’t both getting 10 minutes per game. They are each getting 10 minutes per game when they play, which isn’t usually in the same game. You have to look at games played.
 
This place almost comes crashing down because of this thread and now he's actually gonna end up here!?!? HA!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Those are the same minutes. They aren’t both getting 10 minutes per game. They are each getting 10 minutes per game when they play, which isn’t usually in the same game. You have to look at games played.
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They’re not the same minutes. Leonard played almost 20 minutes last night. Against the clippers Leonard played 12 while Biggie played 8.
 
HCP said:
This place almost comes crashing down because of this thread and now he's actually gonna end up here!?!? HA!
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Won't really know till this thread has well over 500 pages i'm sure.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The guy can still play. Maybe not consistently like he once did, but he can still score.

He dropped 28 on Brooklyn on 9-12 shooting and 6-9 from three.
He scored 24 against LAC on 8-18 shooting and 6-10 from three.
He put up 22 against Utah on 9-17 shooting and 3-8 from three.

He can still score. Can he do it every night? No. Would we need him to do it every night? No.

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Sorry, but I'm not sold by sporadic hot games. His last three stops have not indicated that he's anything but a net liability.
 
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