The super Melo to Portland thread + The Big Blockbuster

[RipCityDSCPL]

You may want to wait to see how he actually plays as a starter before you start serving up that bird. If he is named the starter by default, because we gave away our two best small forwards, that doesn't mean shit. He still has to perform.

On the other hand if we trade both Harkless and Turner and Crabbe still isn't starting, it may be your turn to eat a little humble pie.

BNM

There seems to be a misunderstanding here, I eat humble pie only when Crabbe doesn't increase his scoring average after a rise in minutes this season. Him being a starter or not is inconsequential to this. It only raises my chances of satisfaction and lowers your resistance of chowing down on some tasty and gamey black bird.

This is a season long thing, you know that right?

My whole argument for Crabbe has been that the only reason his contract has been 'bad' is due to lack of minutes. Remember? I screamed it? I am sure you can find it.

 

[Natebishop3]

56 pages about nothing. It's a rumored trade, most likely meaning it's not true and it doesn't make sense for us to take Anderson so yeah....

Well we have sooooooooooooo much more to talk about!

 

[THE HCP]

56 pages about nothing. It's a rumored trade, most likely meaning it's not true and it doesn't make sense for us to take Anderson so yeah....

I'm at 12 pages

 

[lawai'a]

I'm at 12 pages

everybody on ignore? lol, just funning'

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[AFully22]

Thank you. If we were willing to settle for a shit sandwich, this trade would have been competed a week ago.

BNM

What if the trade is taking so long because Neil is trying to somehow get Porzingod. Not gunna happen but this whole thread has been a whole lot about nothing so thought I'd throw it out. Seems like either Portland backed out and they had to start over with a different third team or someone is really playing hard ball.

 

[santeesioux]

That sounds as good as the "my uncle works for Nintendo" meme that's been around for like 40 years.

 

[Minstrel]

If there we some kind of bad defensive matchup for him on a particular night

Every night...

 

[Boob-No-More]

There seems to be a misunderstanding here, I eat humble pie only when Crabbe doesn't increase his scoring average after a rise in minutes this season. Him being a starter or not is inconsequential to this. It only raises my chances of satisfaction and lowers your resistance of chowing down on some tasty and gamey black bird.

This is a season long thing, you know that right?

My whole argument for Crabbe has been that the only reason his contract has been 'bad' is due to lack of minutes. Remember? I screamed it? I am sure you can find it.

Crabbe averaged 28.5 MPG. Harklesss was at 28.9 MPG and Aminu was at 29.1 MPG and Nurk was at 29.2. The only two players that averaged significant'y more MPG than Crabbe were Dame and C.J.

It's not a lack of minutes that makes Crabbe's contract bad, it's a lack of overall production in the minutes he's given.

But fine, whatever. Crabbe will still be the same passive, 1-dimensional Crabbe no matter who we trade and how many minutes he gets. I won't be surprised to see him score more if he gets more minutes. His mediocre production should scale with his PT, but I don't expect to see any kind of breakout season, or significant improvement in his PER 36 stats or advanced stats. He is who he is.

BNM

 

[1eyejack]

The thing about Crabbe is he has the skill set to be a good player if he'd let his mind get out of the way and play with fire.

 

[Cippy91]

Crabbe averaged 28.5 MPG. Harklesss was at 28.9 MPG and Aminu was at 29.1 MPG and Nurk was at 29.2. The only two players that averaged significant'y more MPG than Crabbe were Dame and C.J.

It's not a lack of minutes that makes Crabbe's contract bad, it's a lack of overall production in the minutes he's given.

But fine, whatever. Crabbe will still be the same passive, 1-dimensional Crabbe no matter who we trade and how many minutes he gets. I won't be surprised to see him score more if he gets more minutes. His mediocre production should scale with his PT, but I don't expect to see any kind of breakout season, or significant improvement in his PER 36 stats or advanced stats. He is who he is.

BNM

You know what other excuse people say? "If only he got the ball more"...."he never gets touches"

 

[Boob-No-More]

You know what other excuse people say? "If only he got the ball more"...."he never gets touches"

Right, it's always somebody else's fault. In Stotts' flow offense there are plenty of shot opportunities for anyone willing to take the shots. Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard and Mason Plumlee all averaged more FGA/36 than Crabbe. He's passive, can't create for himself and won't shoot unless he's wide open. That's fine for a bench player, but if he ever becomes a starter, he's going to have to be more assertive.

BNM

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Crabbe averaged 28.5 MPG. Harklesss was at 28.9 MPG and Aminu was at 29.1 MPG and Nurk was at 29.2. The only two players that averaged significant'y more MPG than Crabbe were Dame and C.J.

It's not a lack of minutes that makes Crabbe's contract bad, it's a lack of overall production in the minutes he's given.

But fine, whatever. Crabbe will still be the same passive, 1-dimensional Crabbe no matter who we trade and how many minutes he gets. I won't be surprised to see him score more if he gets more minutes. His mediocre production should scale with his PT, but I don't expect to see any kind of breakout season, or significant improvement in his PER 36 stats or advanced stats. He is who he is.

BNM

And I think there is more to come. It's a long season and whatever the outcome it should be fun and interesting to say the least.

 

[Cippy91]

Right, it's always somebody else's fault. In Stotts' flow offense there are plenty of shot opportunities for anyone willing to take the shots. Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard and Mason Plumlee all averaged more FGA/36 than Crabbe. He's passive, can't create for himself and won't shoot unless he's wide open. That's fine for a bench player, but if he ever becomes a starter, he's going to have to be more assertive.

BNM

Passive is the best way to describe him when he does get the ball. Dribble dribble dribble pass up. I mean I really want him to be able to create his own shot, he just never does, he has the ability though. Great spot up shooter. Just not aggressive at all and people value him too much. I wanted to give him a chance after that huge contract and seeing videos last summer of him training and working on shots off the dribble but when has he ever utilized that? when has he ever taken advantage of getting the ball besides spot ups?

 

[Boob-No-More]

And I think there is more to come. It's a long season and whatever the outcome it should be fun and interesting to say the least.

Honest question. Do you think Crabbe improved his overall play last season? His scoring average went from 10.3 ppg to 10.7 ppg, but his minutes also increased from 26.0 MPG to 28.5 MPG. His PTS/36 actually went down from 14.2 to 13.5.

Where do you think any improvement in his play will come from? Improved handle? Better rebounding and passing? More assertive? Better defense?

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Crabbe averaged 28.5 MPG. Harklesss was at 28.9 MPG and Aminu was at 29.1 MPG and Nurk was at 29.2. The only two players that averaged significant'y more MPG than Crabbe were Dame and C.J.

It's not a lack of minutes that makes Crabbe's contract bad, it's a lack of overall production in the minutes he's given.

But fine, whatever. Crabbe will still be the same passive, 1-dimensional Crabbe no matter who we trade and how many minutes he gets. I won't be surprised to see him score more if he gets more minutes. His mediocre production should scale with his PT, but I don't expect to see any kind of breakout season, or significant improvement in his PER 36 stats or advanced stats. He is who he is.

BNM

It's weird how much you talk about someone you evidently don't like. You talk about him more than anyone on this board.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Honest question. Do you think Crabbe improved his overall play last season? His scoring average went from 10.3 ppg to 10.7 ppg, but his minutes also increased from 26.0 MPG to 28.5 MPG. His PTS/36 actually went down from 14.2 to 13.5.

Where do you think any improvement in his play will come from? Improved handle? Better rebounding and passing? More assertive? Better defense?

BNM

It's VERY possible he's been doing exactly what the coaches have told him to do.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's weird how much you talk about someone you evidently don't like. You talk about him more than anyone on this board.

So, your point? People talk about the players they don't like all the time here. Jeezus, Meyers Leonard gets way more run here than just about anyone. Why aren't you defending him against all his "haters"?

I think Crabbe is overpaid based on his production and would like to see that contract moved before we need to give Nurk his extension next summer. Others disagree. Discussing differences of opinions is the basis for most online forums. If everyone agreed, Denny wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

So, your point? People talk about the players they don't like all the time here. Jeezus, Meyers Leonard gets way more run here than just about anyone. Why aren't you defending him against all his "haters"?

I think Crabbe is overpaid based on his production and would like to see that contract moved before we need to give Nurk his extension next summer. Others disagree. Discussing differences of opinions is the basis for most online forums. If everyone agreed, Denny wouldn't be able to keep the lights on.

BNM

I've done that enough. After a certain point, it's just going in circles.

Meyers gets a lot of shit but it's mostly jokes by this point. I don't think anyone really takes him seriously anymore. We're way past that point. Your crabbe takes are all filled with spreadsheets of stats that favor whatever argument youre trying to make at the time. Like you're trying to convince literally everyone that has a different opinion than you.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I've done that enough. After a certain point, it's just going in circles.

Meyers gets a lot of shit but it's mostly jokes by this point. I don't think anyone really takes him seriously anymore. We're way past that point. Your crabbe takes are all filled with spreadsheets of stats that favor whatever argument your trying to make at the time. Like you're trying to convince literally everyone that has a different opinion than you.

And they are trying to convince me I'm wrong. That's the way this works. I have an opinion and I'm willing to back it up. Doesn't mean I'm right. Time will tell.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Can we please trade Crabbe just so I don't have to listen to this debate anymore?

 

[Scalma]

Can we please trade Crabbe just so I don't have to listen to this debate anymore?

I'm almost at that point as well, and I'm a fan of his!!

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Honest question. Do you think Crabbe improved his overall play last season? His scoring average went from 10.3 ppg to 10.7 ppg, but his minutes also increased from 26.0 MPG to 28.5 MPG. His PTS/36 actually went down from 14.2 to 13.5.

Where do you think any improvement in his play will come from? Improved handle? Better rebounding and passing? More assertive? Better defense?

BNM

There's a reason he put on 15 pounds of muscle this off season; so its not so easy for his counterpart to push him around and for Crabbe to be the one who muscles his opponents for an easier score. It would not surprise me if Stotts gives Crabbe more of what Wesley's role on the team was, IE; Three's, backing smaller opponent's down on the block/paint, shooting after coming off screens and step back jumpers. Stotts implemented some of this with Crabbe already last season(There was an article written about it the previous off season. Freeman or Richman I think wrote it. Not sure.)

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[SIeepwalker]

The kind of dumbasses you can find on twitter.
If you think RC2 is down too quick on Collins you should read replies to the Blazers tweet. SMH

 

[Sarni]

In a few months people will be discussing attaching 4 picks to get rid of Collins contract. It's called Meyers syndrome.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Can we please trade Crabbe just so I don't have to listen to this debate anymore?

Isn't that like giving in to your child because they are throwing a temper tantrum?

I get blasted for trolling when I post the same shit over and over....cause I am. What's the exvuse of some on this topic? WE GET IT, you don't like Crabbe

 

[Sarni]

Did Knicks seriously give Ron Baker a $4.5M a year contract?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Did Knicks seriously give Ron Baker a $4.5M a year contract?

Twice as good of a contract as Neil gave Meyers

 

[Sinobas]

Turner is so much more valuable than Crabbe.

I don't think so. At least with Crabbe, you get floor spacing because they have to guard his 3. I had stopped watching the Blazers much during the time Turner supposedly got so much better, but what did he do in the playoffs? Jack-poo.