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Fonzthecpt1 said:
Aside from injuries what's your problem with Anderson?

He's a very competent floor spacer.

Can't be argued that if healthy he is a big improvement over Meyers in basically every category.

Plus I feel for what he's been through. I know that Shouldn't be a qualification, doesn't make it any less true.
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His numbers are pretty depressing.

13.6 ppg (okay that's not awful)
4.6 rebounds (that's not.... great)
0.9 assists (that's pretty fucking bad)
41.8% from the field (again..... bad)
40.3% from three (that's pretty much the only reason anyone would want him)
 
Natebishop3 said:
If it's Crabbe/Meyers for Anderson/Ariza/O'Quinn I could live with it. One shitty contract for another shitty contract at a position of need.

If it's Harkless/Meyers for Anderson..... that's really trading two contracts that I think are easier to stomache, for a shitty contract of a player that's really not that good.
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Exactly. No reason to trade reasonable contracts for shitty ones. And if we're stuck with a shitty contract I'd rather have Crabbe, who we actually have minutes for, rather than Anderson who plays our most stacked position. Giving up our only good SF for another PF would be abominably stupid.
 
Keep in mind the Rockets just signed PJ Tucker, add in Melo and is there much time for Ariza?
 
So we give up two of our reasonable contracts in Harkless and Davis and take on yet another albatross in Ryan Anderson? Granted, dumping Leonard would be a positive but not nearly enough of one.

This is shaping up to be a horrendous deal for Portland if those really are the principles involved.
 
blue9 said:
Exactly. No reason to trade reasonable contracts for shitty ones. And if we're stuck with a shitty contract I'd rather have Crabbe, who we actually have minutes for, rather than Anderson who plays our most stacked position. Giving up our only good SF for another PF would be abominably stupid.
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There's a logjam at power forward, to be sure, but it is certainly not stacked. That has been a weak position since LMA left. None of our players have stepped forward and seized that opening, but we have two new contenders in Collins and Swanigan.
 
Schilly said:
Keep in mind the Rockets just signed PJ Tucker, add in Melo and is there much time for Ariza?
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Houston loves to play smaller guys as smallball power forwards, so all three will probably split two positions, not one. Especially if they dump Ryan Anderson.
 
Natebishop3 said:
His numbers are pretty depressing.

13.6 ppg (okay that's not awful)
4.6 rebounds (that's not.... great)
0.9 assists (that's pretty fucking bad)
41.8% from the field (again..... bad)
40.3% from three (that's pretty much the only reason anyone would want him)
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So basically the same production as Crabbe, but with a more expensive contract, more injury history, older, and leaving us with no real backup SG (sure Turner can play it, but can't shoot).
 
Swanigan takes Mo's spot, Collins takes Meyers and you get a vet shooter for a couple years to stretch the floor who's got a high BBIQ....I don't see what's to complain about here.....I liked Mo but I would do that deal...it Meyers Leonard!!!!
 
Minstrel said:
So we give up two of our reasonable contracts in Harkless and Davis and take on yet another albatross in Ryan Anderson? Granted, dumping Leonard would be a positive but not nearly enough of one.

This is shaping up to be a horrendous deal for Portland if those really are the principles involved.
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Yup. If it was Crabbe/Meyers for Anderson/Ariza/O'Quinn I think I could swallow it.
 
Clearing space is a great sign, and means there might be something else in the works. There are still some solid UFAs to be had. Plus it could put us in play for Bradley, who could thrive in Turners role.
 
theprunetang said:
So basically the same production as Crabbe, but with a more expensive contract, more injury history, older, and leaving us with no real backup SG (sure Turner can play it, but can't shoot).
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If we got his absolute best production, which was back in 2011-2012 with Orlando, he put up 16 ppg, 7.7 boards, and shot 44% from the field. He still can't pass to save his life. This dude averages under one assist per game. That's not encouraging.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There's a logjam at power forward, to be sure, but it is certainly not stacked. That has been a weak position since LMA left. None of our players have stepped forward and seized that opening, but we have two new contenders in Collins and Swanigan.
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And I'd rather give minutes to Collins/Swanigan than to Anderson.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Clearing space is a great sign, and means there might be something else in the works. There are still some solid UFAs to be had. Plus it could put us in play for Bradley, who could thrive in Turners role.
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How would we be clearing space? We would be matching dollar for dollar everything we send out.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If we got his absolute best production, which was back in 2011-2012 with Orlando, he put up 16 ppg, 7.7 boards, and shot 44% from the field. He still can't pass to save his life. This dude averages under one assist per game. That's not encouraging.
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Exactly. Also, it is 2017. I highly doubt Anderson is going to approach anything close to stats he put up in 2012.
 
Minstrel said:
Haha, wow. You sent the two useful players to Portland and the junk to New York. Here's hoping the Knicks...are the Knicks.
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We're not the ones that need this deal to happen - HOU and NYK want to send Melo to HOU. If we're gonna help make it happen, then it's gotta be on our terms. If NYK wants any sort of return on Melo they're gonna have to take some shit back too.
 
If we trade Harkless it makes me wonder if we're making a play for Crowder. Maybe a 4-team trade? Unlikely, but...
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As far as picks go:
Boston would get the right to swap either their 2018 BKN or LAL Picks with NYKs 2018 1st. They only get the LAL pick if it's top 2-5, and BKNs will be top 5 as well. It would mean NYK wouldn't fall out of the top 5 but Boston would further their chances of getting two top 5 picks.
Boston would also get HOU's 2020 1st.

Houston trades Anderson and a future 1st for Carmelo
Boston gets a future pick and a valuable right to swap next years picks, as well as the cap space they need.
New York gets a valuable young piece in Harkless and a PG that they need in Napier.
Portland swaps Leonard, Harkless, and Napier for Anderson and Crowder without trading a future pick.
 
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blue9 said:
We're not the ones that need this deal to happen - HOU and NYK want to send Melo to HOU. If we're gonna help make it happen, then it's gotta be on our terms. If NYK wants any sort of return on Melo they're gonna have to take some shit back too.
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But in your trade, New York is basically not getting a return. From what I've read, when Houston tried to move Anderson's contract, they found no takers. He's not viewed as any kind of asset at his salary.
 
theprunetang said:
Exactly. Also, it is 2017. I highly doubt Anderson is going to approach anything close to stats he put up in 2012.
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He's going to love Stotts system...he's a good shooter who makes free throws and can be a quick study...when you need that shot or free throw he'll be better than putting Meyers or Mo out there. I don't think he'll play many minutes.
 
BonesJones said:
If we trade Harkless it makes me wonder if we're making a play for Crowder. Maybe a 4-team trade? Unlikely, but...
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As far as picks go:
Boston would get the right to swap either their 2018 BKN or LAL Picks with NYKs 2018 1st. They only get the LAL pick if it's top 2-5, and BKNs will be top 5 as well. It would mean NYK wouldn't fall out of the top 5 but Boston would further their chances of getting two top 5 picks.
Boston would also get HOU's 2020 1st.

Houston trades Anderson and a future 1st for Carmelo
Boston gets a future pick and a valuable right to swap next years picks
New York gets a valuable young piece in Harkless and a PG that they need in Napier.
Portland swaps Leonard, Harkless, and Napier for Anderson and Crowder without trading a future pick.
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I think more trades would happen, but they would be independent of this deal. Possibly Crabbe going to BKN, or a deal for Crowder.
 
Minstrel said:
But in your trade, New York is basically not getting a return. From what I've read, when Houston tried to move Anderson's contract, they found no takers. He's not viewed as any kind of asset at his salary.
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Which is why I think we would be getting something more than just Anderson.
 
What would it take to get New York to give us the right to swap our 1st with theirs next year? Maybe they think that they could push for the playoffs in a weak East and our pick won't be much better with us playing in a stronger West.
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I'd only do this trade if New York gave us Unprotected Right to Swap 2018 1sts... I don't think they would do that, however.
 
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