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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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Rastapopoulos said:
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Boob-No-More said:
Except you can't really play that game. Nic was the first domino to fall. If we had kept him we likely would not have blown it up. We probably would have kept Rolo (who was our second youngest starter after Dame), which means no Plumlee, which means no Nurk...

You can't cherry pick which deals to undo and which to keep. They are all interrelated.

BNM
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If you want to play that game, i would still probably rather have Lillard, CJ, Wes, Batum, Rolo and whoever the fuck at PF then.
 
The problem was never that Batum lacked talent. The problem was that he lacked drive.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Some of you leave out some very important facts about the Afflalo trade.

We barely got to see what the team looked like with Afflalo coming off the bench. We traded for him on February 19th and then Wes went down on March 6th. So not even a month after we traded for Afflalo. Our season was basically over at that point.

And then, Afflalo went down on April 9th. So barely a month after Wes went down, we lost Afflalo. We didn't even get two months of a healthy Afflalo on the team. Some of you are extremely harsh about that trade, but it was doomed for reasons that were completely outside of our control.
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IDK about you but I've read multiple times posters saying it's a GM's job to predict whether or not a player gets hurt.
Fucking NO.
Fuck Riley too, he couldn't predict Bosh would develop blood clots, which would end his career.
 
dviss1 said:
This is a pointless argument because you are only using hindsight. I didn't see you jumping up and down complaining when the moves were made but hey maybe you did. You complain about everything.

The argument about Oden vs Durant is fucking tired. You are wrong about it but continue to use hindsight as your barometer. Wonder what side you fell on at the time of that draft...
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Why does it matter what I think at the time? I'm not the one making the decisions. That's why we're on a discussion forum, to discuss different ideas and opinions. Oh, and that decision was part of the reason KP got canned.

I swear some people on here wince at the sight of any criticism, and will argue the positives of anything and everything. Of course there's a reason deals are made. There is an underlying reason for every single deal ever made. I can see the context and still admit that it didn't work.
 
dviss1 said:
A center on a rookie deal and a 1st rounder is a FUCKING STEAL for a 20+ game rental for Plums. But you'll find something negative to say about it...
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Wasn't the story Denver was offering a 2nd and Nurk for Plums? And we we agreed to trade for Okafor. Then at the last second Denver upped it to a 1st?

That would seem like someone that valued Okafor over Nurk and wanted tht pick to take what he viewed as a lesser player.

Could be wrong though.
 
B-Roy said:
You're right, that was a pretty good trade. He then let Rolo go for what turned out to be a pretty good contract.

That one and the Nurkic deal stand out. But I still believe that Olshey was more after the 1st round pick than Nurkic, but that's just my opinion. I may be wrong.
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Luck or not he still got Nurk + a 1st rounder when many of the people on this board looking for a Center wouldn't have.
Frankly it's not something I would have done as I would've traded for Okafor... Frankly I still would.
 
B-Roy said:
Why does it matter what I think at the time? I'm not the one making the decisions. That's why we're on a discussion forum, to discuss different ideas and opinions. Oh, and that decision was part of the reason KP got canned.

I swear some people on here wince at the sight of any criticism, and will argue the positives of anything and everything. Of course there's a reason deals are made. There is an underlying reason for every single deal ever made. I can see the context and still admit that it didn't work.
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It didn't work because Wes tore his frickin achilles and Afflalo hurt his shoulder.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2015/4/9/8381175/arron-afflalo-injured-portland-trail-blazers
 
dviss1 said:
A center on a rookie deal and a 1st rounder is a FUCKING STEAL for a 20+ game rental for Plums. But you'll find something negative to say about it...
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I thought it was an amazing deal at the time (you can go check), because I was high on Nurk. But when you hear Olshey talk about the deal, it certainly didn't seem like he thought Nurkic would contribute so soon.
 
B-Roy said:
He was bad even before he hurt his shoulder. 8.2 PER in his 25 games with us BEFORE he hurt his shoulder.

Not to mention we had CJ at the time who the team *supposedly* believed in, but apparently not enough to fully commit the backup SG position to.
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Shocker, a guy that was brought in to be a backup wasn't able to immediately produce halfway through the season and after 50 days on the team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Shocker, a guy that was brought in to be a backup wasn't able to immediately produce halfway through the season and after 50 days on the team.
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OR

Team had a better player waiting in the wings but didn't trust him - poor decision making/judgment

Team thought a player would play at a certain level but didn't - poor decision making/judgment

Team gave a better player that they thought was a worse player in the trade for supposed better player - poor decision making/judgment

Team felt like they needed to add a 1st round pick on top - poor decision making/judgment

I'm not gonna argue the Afflalo trade any further. It was an awful trade by all accounts only slightly (and very slightly) made better when you look at context. But it still sucked ass. If you still want to argue that it was a good move be my guest.
 
honkicracker said:
IDK about you but I've read multiple times posters saying it's a GM's job to predict whether or not a player gets hurt.
Fucking NO.
Fuck Riley too, he couldn't predict Bosh would develop blood clots, which would end his career.
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It's not because Afflalo got hurt, it's because he wasn't very good, he's still not good, we lost a better asset in Barton and a 1st round pick to boot.
 
Leonard is a non-factor. He didn't even get playing time when we resorted to playing Aminu and Vonleh at center. So this deal would basically be Harkless for Anderson. Same exact salary in as out. Harkless is a solid player, but he's not an impact player. Anderson would be a high impact player for our offense. Think about all the open 3 pt looks Aminu gets...imagine a good 3pt shooter getting those, it would really help the team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Shocker, a guy that was brought in to be a backup wasn't able to immediately produce halfway through the season and after 50 days on the team.
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He had an 11.7 PER before the trade in Denver. Still well below 'average'.
Afflalo just was never that good of an NBA player. He was always hyped to be a better player than he actually was.
 
I agree with what Ryan can do on this team. He is a major upgrade as far as production is considered. (Offensively speaking) the problem is his freakin salary. Is NO sure there isn't a better deal somewhere else? How many times have we read that this deal was all but done. This trade thread started July 6th for Nurkic (God) sake.
 
But are we for sure that Anderson would be the return?
 
Nobody knows what the return would be, but all indications are that Anderson is in the deal. If New York would take Anderson the deal would be done already. So he's either going to Portland or a 4th team.
 
rotary111 said:
I agree with what Ryan can do on this team. He is a major upgrade as far as production is considered. (Offensively speaking) the problem is his freakin salary. Is NO sure there isn't a better deal somewhere else? How many times have we read that this deal was all but done. This trade thread started July 6th for Nurkic (God) sake.
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Leonard and Harkless have 3 years left at a combined 60 million. Same exact amount as Anderson. And since Leonard is a net negative who will not sniff the rotation (barring an amazing resugence), salary is really not a factor here.

We can still make other moves to reduce salary, such as trading Ed Davis to Boston or dumping Crabbe on Brooklyn.
 
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