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Should the Blazers puruse Carmelo Anthony?

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HCP said:
Could you imagine if those were prerequisites to post anything on this forum? There'd be like what....... 86 or 87 actual threads and only about 500 posts....TOTAL!!!!!! In the HOSTORY of this place!!!!!!
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And you'd be known as a nice person on this forum, too. ;)
 
Lift's the airway open and sanitizes the mouth of this thread:

Top reasons why the Knicks still haven’t traded Carmelo Anthony


Heading into the NBA’s eventful offseason, it seemed inevitable that the New York Knicks would be moving Carmelo Anthony in a major trade. Instead, Phil Jackson left the organization, the ‘Bockers seemed to temporarily stabilize the ship and Carmelo’s still a Knick, for now.

It’s still very likely the star forward is dealt before preseason, but there are a lot of hurdles to that occurring. Plenty has happened since Anthony first appeared on the trade block, so let’s check in on the top reasons why he remains in New York.



1. Carmelo’s no-trade clause

This is the biggest hurdle of all, because it severely limits where ‘Melo can go. He’s indicated he’d like to play with the Cleveland Cavaliers or the Houston Rockets, teams that are title contenders and feature close friends of his on the roster. While with the Knicks, Jackson was never all that supportive of Anthony or his isolation-focused offensive style. Yet Jackson also handed him this no-trade clause which currently handcuffs everyone involved.

If it weren’t for the no-trade, Carmelo likely would’ve been traded at least year’s deadline to a fringe playoff team with some cap space. Even now, there are plenty of teams with room and a need for a scorer of Anthony’s caliber on their respective rosters. Those teams have the types of assets the Knicks want, but they can’t make a deal since he won’t approve a trade to those cities.


2. Kyrie Irving’s contract

When news broke about Kyrie Irving requesting a trade from the Cavaliers, all eyes went directly to New York — one of the four teams which the young point guard listed as a possible destination. Anthony is good friends with LeBron James, some sort of swap of Carmelo and Kyrie seems like the best move for both parties.

But Kyrie still has two years remaining on his deal, and is only 25 years old. He also doesn’t have a no-trade clause. So not only are the Cavaliers not obligated to trade him at all, but they’re certainly not obligated to trade him to a team of his choosing (the Knicks, Spurs, Heat or Timberwolves).

That said, the rift between Irving and James likely motivates a trade despite that contract. But that motivation doesn’t mean he’s being let go at a discount. Irving’s an All-Star, NBA champion and dynamic scorer still in his mid-20s. Nothing short of LeBron telling the Cavs exactly what to do is going to force Irving out for less than he’s worth.


Knicks, Spurs, Heat or Timberwolves).

That said, the rift between Irving and James likely motivates a trade despite that contract. But that motivation doesn’t mean he’s being let go at a discount. Irving’s an All-Star, NBA champion and dynamic scorer still in his mid-20s. Nothing short of LeBron telling the Cavs exactly what to do is going to force Irving out for less than he’s worth.


3. Houston’s cap situation

The Rockets just added a large salary in Chris Paul’s $24.6 million for the 2017-18 season. Anthony makes $26.2 million this coming year (before his trade kicker). James Harden will make $28.3 million. Just those three players alone would equal $78.8 million — $20 million or so shy of the NBA’s soft salary cap ceiling of $99.1 million. Four more Houston players make at least $7 million on the current roster. One of those, Ryan Anderson, makes over $19 million.

Anderson would have to be dealt in any trade, but he also has two more years on his current contract, both north of $20 million. The Rockets could sweeten a deal with expiring contracts and picks, but Anderson’s contract still handcuffs whoever receives it for several more years. Houston’s flexibility was dealt to the Clippers in the Paul deal, and that makes Carmelo a longshot without other teams getting involved.


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4. Cleveland’s cap situation

Cleveland’s a bit easier of a swap situation, since they’d be dealing a desirable large salary (Irving’s) to New York for Anthony’s. However, this can’t be a straight one-for-one deal if Cleveland’s going to get back something commensurate with Kyrie’s youth/talent level. That means contracts leaving New York, which quickly gets problematic for the Cavs, who are already in the luxury tax.

The Cavs are nearly $23 million over the luxury cap threshold right now, with current salaries equaling over $142 million. Six different players make more than $10 million per year. Just one of those (Irving at $18.9 million) would be departing in a deal for Carmelo. That won’t make up the difference in salaries, and that’s before considering what else the Knicks need to give up. Like Houston, you’re pulling in another team or two to make this trade work.


5. Knicks’ tradeable assets

The Knicks have more flexibility than both the Cavs and Rockets, currently sitting under the cap and also getting rid of the largest salary in any deal. But there’s still not much New York can deal to truly make a Carmelo deal significantly “better” for the other side. Top trade pieces in any deal would probably include Kyle O’Quinn ($4.1 million), Mindaugas Kuzminskas ($3 million) and/or rookie point guard Frank Ntilinkina ($3.5 million). None are earth-shattering additions that make up for the loss of Irving for Cleveland.

Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks, Cavaliers and Rockets all want to get something done before the season begins. But as explained above, desire is simply not enough for a ‘Melo trade to work. Other teams must get involved if Anthony is calling a new city home this year. And right now, no one’s necessarily stepping up to the plate to help facilitate Cleveland’s improvement or Houston building a super team.
 
Melo is such a freak on offense. It's amazing how his play/attitude and the lousy Knicks franchise has managed to diminish / hide his talent.

EDIT: That guard from the Blazers isn't looking too shabby in the video either. Ridiculous we have two guards with this skill level.
 
Why in the world does Carmelo wear a hood on his head while playing hoops? Makes no sense.
 
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/929/carmelo-anthony

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks have asked Carmelo Anthony to expand his "wish list" of teams to join.
Another day, another Melo rumor. It's no secret that his preference is to join Houston, but the Knicks aren't willing to make a "bad trade" -- the Rockets would likely have to include Ryan Anderson's bloated contract and the Knicks aren't interested. Berman adds that the Pelicans, Cavaliers, Thunder and Blazers are all waiting in the wings in the hope that Melo expands his list. The All-Star forward recently had "great conversations" with Knicks GM Scott Perry, but it sounds like both sides are still determined to orchestrate a move away from New York. Aug 10 - 10:09 AM
 
santeesioux said:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/929/carmelo-anthony

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks have asked Carmelo Anthony to expand his "wish list" of teams to join.
Another day, another Melo rumor. It's no secret that his preference is to join Houston, but the Knicks aren't willing to make a "bad trade" -- the Rockets would likely have to include Ryan Anderson's bloated contract and the Knicks aren't interested. Berman adds that the Pelicans, Cavaliers, Thunder and Blazers are all waiting in the wings in the hope that Melo expands his list. The All-Star forward recently had "great conversations" with Knicks GM Scott Perry, but it sounds like both sides are still determined to orchestrate a move away from New York. Aug 10 - 10:09 AM
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What a soap opera. "As Melo's World Turns" "Days of Our Melo"
 
HCP said:
Been in the middle of big fights at parties in HS and post HS......but if I did anything it was only in self defense. But serving as an MP in the Army, The HCP got into his share. Not fun getting hit in the nose, I can tell you. Did get jumped a couple times at hoop courts in my younger days. They didn't like a whiteboy who could hoop AND talk that much trash.
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No one ever does. 🤷
 
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The New York Knicks and Houston Rockets have re-engaged on trade talks involving 10-time All-Star Carmelo Anthony, with the Rockets again canvassing third-team trade partners to construct a deal, league sources told ESPN.

Anthony remains steadfast that he only plans to waive his no-trade clause for the Rockets and refuses to expand his list to include more possible destinations, league sources said.

Nevertheless, no pathway has emerged for a deal directly between the two teams, and finding a broader package to include forward Ryan Anderson and the three-years, $60 million left on his contract remains problematic, league sources said. The Rockets and Knicks have significant progress on a deal with Phil Jackson as president, but that changed with the hiring of new general manager Scott Perry, who has been far more particular about the package he'd want in return for Anthony.

The Knicks remain willing to start training camp with Anthony, 33, on the roster, and a real scenario exists where the Rockets and Anthony remain patient that a deal could have to wait until the regular season is underway, league sources said. The Knicks want to trend younger, building around Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr. Anthony playing a significant role could stifle their development.

Houston wants Anthony to join a lineup with James Harden and Chris Paulprimarily to make a run in the playoffs together, and an in-season deal could still give them ample time to build a chemistry for the postseason. Anthony and Paul are close friends.

Portland has kept an interest in Anthony, with Trail Blazers All-Stars Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum continuing to recruit Anthony to consider the Blazers as an alternative to Houston, league sources said.

The Knicks have become willing again to make an Anthony deal before the start of training camp in September, especially after Anthony made it clear that the franchise's hopes of getting him to embrace a return to the team -- after months of ex-president Phil Jackson's pushing for Anthony to waive his no-trade -- are fruitless.

The Knicks paused trade talks involving Anthony shortly after the hiring of Perry in mid-July, but were unable to convince Anthony to reconsider his desire to be traded away -- or add more teams to his wish list, league sources said.

Anthony had an earlier interest in waiving his no-trade for Cleveland, but that desire waned with Paul's arrival in Houston and the upheaval surrounding Kyrie Irving and LeBron James' futures with the Cavaliers.




 
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