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The coach in question pressured students to join him in sectarian Christian prayer. Students felt if they did not participate it could cost them playing time. School offered numerous accommodations. Coach insisted on public prayer, which incidentally Jesus denounced.
 
crandc said:
The coach in question pressured students to join him in sectarian Christian prayer. Students felt if they did not participate it could cost them playing time. School offered numerous accommodations. Coach insisted on public prayer, which incidentally Jesus denounced.
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Don't worry, our originalist Beef Supreme court has correctly interpreted the intent of Jesus here. Clearly what Jesus meant when writing the constitution was to allow football coaches to pray publicly. As we all know, praying publicly and pressuring your football playing students to participate IS covered AND written into the constitution, but abortion is not.
 
Gorsuch, in his opinion, flat out lied, saying it was quiet and private prayer. In her dissent, Sotomayor included photo of players, parents, media crowded onto field.
 
In barely a week the court overturned First Amendment prohibition on established religion, redefined Second Amendment to allow unlimited concealed carry, for the first time in history took away an established constitutional right, declared intention to allow planet to burn and announced it will take a case next term under an extreme and judicially unsound doctrine that could end any attempt to block voter suppression and potentially allow state legislatures to overturn election results.
 
Voodoo said:
Don't worry, our originalist Beef Supreme court has correctly interpreted the intent of Jesus here. Clearly what Jesus meant when writing the constitution was to allow football coaches to pray publicly. As we all know, praying publicly and pressuring your football playing students to participate IS covered AND written into the constitution, but abortion is not.
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Pressuring anybody into a religious act at a school function would be a fireable offense, would it not?
 
crandc said:
In barely a week the court overturned First Amendment prohibition on established religion, redefined Second Amendment to allow unlimited concealed carry, for the first time in history took away an established constitutional right, declared intention to allow planet to burn and announced it will take a case next term under an extreme and judicially unsound doctrine that could end any attempt to block voter suppression and potentially allow state legislatures to overturn election results.
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Wait, so I no longer need my concealed carry permit? And I can carry it anywhere?
 
crandc said:
Gorsuch, in his opinion, flat out lied, saying it was quiet and private prayer. In her dissent, Sotomayor included photo of players, parents, media crowded onto field.
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I would think prohibiting people from praying would be unconstitutional. If these people wanted to join him that should be acceptable, correct?

Has there been reports of punishment for those who do not join?
 
Students who did not participate in Christian prayer were led to believe they would lose playing time. The school offered the coach a location to pray privately. He insisted it had to be in the field.

A North Carolina company fired two workers who refused to join Christian prayer. They were told they did not have to believe but they had to participate, even lead prayers although they were not Christian.
 
crandc said:
Students who did not participate in Christian prayer were led to believe they would lose playing time. The school offered the coach a location to pray privately. He insisted it had to be in the field.
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And good for him. He won.

Oh, and as far as the notion of kids losing playing time? Poppycock!
 
crandc said:
Students who did not participate in Christian prayer were led to believe they would lose playing time. The school offered the coach a location to pray privately. He insisted it had to be in the field.

A North Carolina company fired two workers who refused to join Christian prayer. They were told they did not have to believe but they had to participate, even lead prayers although they were not Christian.
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Yeah, those sound like grounds for lawsuits.
 
crandc said:
If the coach was Muslim, bowed to Mecca on field, demanded students join, how would court rule? How would ABM react?
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I'm not ABM, but as long as the prayer isn't causing harm to anybody or preventing him from doing his job I think it should be fine.

If a teacher abuses this freedom by pushing a religion off on the students the teacher should be fired. If the school refuses to fire a teacher engaging in such behavior the school should be held liable.
 
Shaboid said:
Amy Coney Barrett urged to step away from gay rights case because of faith affiliation

Should have never been added to the court in the first place...
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Whether or not she deserved appointment to the court notwithstanding (I agree that her experience was far insufficient, and someone more seasoned should have been selected), once on the court, should personal characteristics or allegiances justify or necessitate a recusal from certain cases? Should Thurgood Marshall have been recused from racial rights cases due to his skin color? Should Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor recuse themselves from anything pertaining to women's rights? Should any justice over age 60 be barred from considering anything relating to age discrimination?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Whether or not she deserved appointment to the court notwithstanding (I agree that her experience was far insufficient, and someone more seasoned should have been selected), once on the court, should personal characteristics or allegiances justify or necessitate a recusal from certain cases? Should Thurgood Marshall have been recused from racial rights cases due to his skin color? Should Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor recuse themselves from anything pertaining to women's rights? Should any justice over age 60 be barred from considering anything relating to age discrimination?
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I think it is a reasonable discussion to have. Should Justice Thomas have recused himself in the case about his wife's involvement in January 6th? There's a slippery slope argument to be made though, I suppose.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm not ABM, but as long as the prayer isn't causing harm to anybody or preventing him from doing his job I think it should be fine.

If a teacher abuses this freedom by pushing a religion off on the students the teacher should be fired. If the school refuses to fire a teacher engaging in such behavior the school should be held liable.
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I agree, teachers shouldn't push anything but rather teach the curriculum.
 
Hoopguru said:
I agree, teachers shouldn't push anything but rather teach the curriculum.
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Agreed, teachers shouldn't push their beliefs on students. They should teach their students to think for themselves. Critical thinking is imperative to surviving in the real world. It's one, if not the most important of things to learn.
 
Chris Craig said:
Agreed, teachers shouldn't push their beliefs on students. They should teach their students to think for themselves. Critical thinking is imperative to surviving in the real world. It's one, if not the most important of things to learn.
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Thats exactly what my wife say's, an elementary teacher for close to 4o years.
 
Barrett recusing from gay rights case isn't the same as Sotomayor recusing from women's rights case. Barrett had actively campaigned, and belongs to organizations that actively campaign, for LGBTQ people to have no rights. Period.

Of course hating gays is one of the reasons she was appointed.
 
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