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Honey, your point is flawed, and that is what I proved.
You haven’t proven anything other than you are susceptible to letting your emotions control you.
It sure seems there is a corralation with gender identify conflicts and emotional maturity. I could be wrong… but experiences says I’m right.
I will say you are doing a fantastic job at pushing people to vote that you have no voice at all. Great job!

Good luck with you.
 
Jesus Christ, will you stop with the martyr act already?
Being able to copy and paste something XY chromosome something does not make someone a scientist, let alone authority on gender issues.
 
You haven’t proven anything other than you are susceptible to letting your emotions control you.
It sure seems there is a corralation with gender identify conflicts and emotional maturity. I could be wrong… but experiences says I’m right.
I will say you are doing a fantastic job at pushing people to vote that you have no voice at all. Great job!

Good luck with you.

Lots of misspellings and bad grammar; I think your emotions might be getting the best of you.
 
Lots of misspellings and bad grammar; I think your emotions might be getting the best of you.

lol. When all else fails go after grammar and spelling from someone typing with big hands on a phone.
You sure put me in my place!!!

again. A mature discussion I’m all for. Petty insults I’m not. Carry on…
 
Spirituality, Faith, and Religion.

That is the biggest issue I have with the Republican party. They let that shit seep into everything!

Yep. My biggest issue as well. There is no room for religion in politics. One of the main reasons I pulled out of the Republican Party and became independent.
 
Yep. My biggest issue as well. There is no room for religion in politics. One of the main reasons I pulled out of the Republican Party and became independent.

So you started all of this and you're not even a Republican?
 
So you started all of this and you're not even a Republican?

hmm if answering questions is starting all this, okay. I started it. lol.
I’m also not a democrat and feel the same way when they are bundled together in a negative package. It’s not right.
 
hmm if answering questions is starting all this, okay. I started it. lol.
I’m also not a democrat and feel the same way when they are bundled together in a negative package. It’s not right.

I'm a Democrat. The party can do alot better than it has. I have considered switching to independent, but I have stuck around. I'm not that happy Biden is running again. But it is what is. I will say only one party is taking peoples civil rights away. I'm glad to not be represented by or be a part of that. Not saying you are.

I see you more as conservative than Republican. I will say in response to your other posts, discussion is good, but knowing ones place is important too when looking at topics such as Transgendered peoples, abortions, etc.

We aren't trans. We aren't women. We aren't part of the queer community. Can we discuss these things, sure. Can we be allies, yes. Do we really know these things, live them, no.

While discussion is good, we are not the authority on those issues.
 
I'm a Democrat. The party can do alot better than it has. I have considered switching to independent, but I have stuck around. I'm not that happy Biden is running again. But it is what is. I will say only one party is taking peoples civil rights away. I'm glad to not be represented by or be a part of that. Not saying you are.

I see you more as conservative than Republican. I will say in response to your other posts, discussion is good, but knowing ones place is important too when looking at topics such as Transgendered peoples, abortions, etc.

We aren't trans. We aren't women. We aren't part of the queer community. Can we discuss these things, sure. Can we be allies, yes. Do we really know these things, live them, no.

While discussion is good, we are not the authority on those issues.

yeah, conservative may be a more apt term for my stance.

I agree 100%. The problem is those( here at least) resort to petty insults rather than recognizing the discussion as a potential to further educate those not in the community. They have the most knowledge, yet refuse to discuss said knowledge, leaving those not in the community to go elsewhere to further educate themselves. Then get mad when one provides the information they have found.
If they would simply put their emotions aside and see the discussion as a positive moment, an opportunity, instead of lashing out, it would significantly increase the potential of properly educating others. Instead.. well, just read the responses from those in the community this morning towards me.
To me it’s absolutely ridiculous and fairly telling…
And so now there is even more divide and less support than there was prior.
This is not on me. This is on them.
it’s hard to take serious someone who screams wanting to be treated equal but doesn’t provide any information or engage in positive discussion about the details of the topic.
I have never ever said anything negative about the lgbtq community and have always been in support of them. However, support only goes so far when those you try to support and understand treat me in such ways.
It’s immature, reckless and does nothing to further the equality of all. Like I said prior, if anything, it pushes people away from them and makes people not want to support them.
Now this doesn’t go for all. Just my experience here. But experience is experience wherever it comes from.
I can safely safe I’ve never cared less for their cause than today, and I’m one who has stood up for them all my life, even against my own personal beliefs of science, because I feel that is what is right.
I feel less inclined to support their cause now, and they only have themselves to blame. But I’m sure this post will be followed up by more petty insulting comments lashing out at me rather than positive discussion to try to further educate said discussion.
 
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yeah conservative my be a more apt term for my stance.

I agree 100%. The problem is those( here at least) resort to petty insults rather than recognizing the discussion as a potential to further educate those not in the community. They have the most knowledge yet refuse to discuss said knowledge, leaving those not in the community to go elsewhere to further educate themselves. Then get mad when one provides the information the have found.
If they would simply put their emotions aside and see the discussion as a positive moment, an opportunity, instead of lashing out, it would significantly increase the potential of properly educating others. Instead.. we’ll just read the responses from those in the community this morning.
To me it’s absolutely ridiculous and fairly telling…
And so now there is even more divide and less support than there was prior.
This is not on me. This is on them.

I get their anger though. Part of that discussion really is looking at two sides of coin, where one side is taking away their rights. They aren't going to want to discuss that side, listen to that side, or be receptive to that side...or for that matter a middle ground. Because for them there is no middle ground. One side is taking away their rights and dehumanizing them and the other is not. That is their reality. And, that to me is very understandable.

Look at it this way. If a political party came to be that were bent on stripping away the rights of white straight men, you'd be pissed and wouldn't want to hear about sides or grey areas. I wouldn't either.

The lbgtq community and women are there. There is a party taking away their rights and choices. They are pissed and rightfully so.

Hearing the opinions, especially of white straight men, who make up most of that party, is not really high on their list. Not surprising.

We can do best in understanding and being allies by listening. They need our ear not our opinions.
 
I'm a Democrat. The party can do alot better than it has. I have considered switching to independent, but I have stuck around. I'm not that happy Biden is running again. But it is what is. I will say only one party is taking peoples civil rights away. I'm glad to not be represented by or be a part of that. Not saying you are.

I see you more as conservative than Republican. I will say in response to your other posts, discussion is good, but knowing ones place is important too when looking at topics such as Transgendered peoples, abortions, etc.

We aren't trans. We aren't women. We aren't part of the queer community. Can we discuss these things, sure. Can we be allies, yes. Do we really know these things, live them, no.

While discussion is good, we are not the authority on those issues.
Well said.

However, Dems are pushing for laws which disproportionately restrict the ability of poor and minorities to defend themselves.
 
I get their anger though. Part of that discussion really is looking at two sides of coin, where one side is taking away their rights. They aren't going to want to discuss that side, listen to that side, or be receptive to side...or for that matter a middle ground. Because for them there is no middle ground. One side is taking away their rights and dehumanizing them and the other is not. That is their reality. And, that to me is very understandable.

These are assumptions made of me though. I’ve stated many times I would never vote for anything that is limiting thier rights. Yet they just assume I actively vote to take thier rights away.
I amended the above post, fyi.
 
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Well said.

However, Dems are pushing for laws which disproportionately restrict the ability of poor and minorities to defend themselves.

As I said, they could do a lot better. There is a lot of corruption on the left just as there is on the right. Both sides pander to corporations and the rich. The left I would argue does more for the poor than the right. We do need to have better systems in place that provide welfare for those in need but also help them build and try and get out of poverty. But, again the great inequality of wealth is always playing against that.
 
These are assumptions made of me though. I’ve stated many times I would never vote for anything that is limiting thier rights. Yet they just assume I actively vote to take thier rights away.
I amended the above post, fyi.

I get that. You have said though you are against or at least disagree with things like abortion and similar issues even though you said you wouldn't vote for laws to take their rights away. That's grey area, middle ground that doesn't exist for them. Either you are for or against it. If you vote for Republicans, which I'm sure as a conservative you have, you vote for people who are against it, and are part of the party taking their rights away and will vote in Congress/Senate a such.

I think those here who are part of the LBGTQ community, who are women, etc see you are well meaning. They also aren't going to spend anytime looking at grey areas or otherwise. They aren't going to waste time on niceties when it comes to their rights being taken away. Again for them their are only two sides. And it's very understandable.

And, I get it. Like me, you are someone who enjoys having opinions and arguing and reasoning. I think that's part of how we both come to expound on and develop understandings and perceptions of things and issues around us. That's great. But, that doesn't really work for this.
 
I get that. You have said though you are against or at least disagree with things like abortion and similar issues even though you said you wouldn't vote for laws to take their rights away. That's grey area, middle ground that doesn't exist for them. Either you are for or against it. If you vote for Republicans, which I'm sure as a conservative you have, you vote for people who are against it, and are part of the party taking their rights away and will vote in Congress/Senate a such.

I think those here who are part of the LBGTQ community, who are women, etc see you are well meaning. They also aren't going to spend anytime looking at grey areas or otherwise. They aren't going to waste time on niceties when it comes to their rights being taken away. Again for them their are only two sides. And it's very understandable.

And, I get it. Like me, you are someone who enjoys having opinions and arguing and reasoning. I think that's part of how we both come to expound on and develop understandings and perceptions of things and issues around us. That's great. But, that doesn't really work for this.

Then that's on them. I personally feel abortion is wrong. But I think its more of a wrong to take that right away from someone. This is no different than me saying something they think is wrong, but still allowing me to say it because to take away my freedom of speech is more wrong. There lack of understanding that someone can disagree with something but still support the right of others to make their own decision on the topic, is ridiculous.

I'm not for many things that I would never try to take the right of another to not make their own decision as to whether they feel its right or wrong. If they want to get hung up on my personal opinion compared to what I actually vote, I can't help that. I'm being honest and forth right. Them having an issue with that is on them. Not me. Would they rather people lie to their face and then vote against them? This is kinda frustrating because its showing just how much we are devolving in communication and understanding differences. ( not you and I per say)

I disagree they see me as well meaning or they wouldn't toss out petty insults, tell me to fuck off, ignore requests for open mature conversations, etc. Nothing of this dialoge today shows me they understand i'm well meaning. The behavior exhibited is nothing short of a child's tantrum in a store not getting thier candy and allowed to eat it too.

I disagree for them there are two sides. There is only one side. Everyone else is the enemy. When one tries to explain to them this is not accurate, they lash out. They don't discuss.

Trust me, Things could be MUCH MUCH worse for them than outsiders wanting to enter into constructive dialogue. Just go back 100 years and see how minorities were treated then. Yet its as if nothing has improved and its the end of the world if we don't sit silently and agree with everything they say. The reality is we have progressed in many ways. Yes we still have a long ways to go, but the second half of that journey will never happen if the behavior exhibited is the mainstay of their defense.
To me, its saddening that they can not recognize this.
They want people to understand without educating those to understand. Its a never ending cycle that accelerates hate from both sides. If anything we will start treading backwards in my opinion.
 
Then that's on them. I personally feel abortion is wrong. But I think its more of a wrong to take that right away from someone. This is no different than me saying something they think is wrong, but still allowing me to say it because to take away my freedom of speech is more wrong. There lack of understanding that someone can disagree with something but still support the right of others to make their own decision on the topic, is ridiculous.

I'm not for many things that I would never try to take the right of another to not make their own decision as to whether they feel its right or wrong. If they want to get hung up on my personal opinion compared to what I actually vote, I can't help that. I'm being honest and forth right. Them having an issue with that is on them. Not me. Would they rather people lie to their face and then vote against them? This is kinda frustrating because its showing just how much we are devolving in communication and understanding differences. ( not you and I per say)

I disagree they see me as well meaning or they wouldn't toss out petty insults, tell me to fuck off, ignore requests for open mature conversations, etc. Nothing of this dialoge today shows me they understand i'm well meaning. The behavior exhibited is nothing short of a child's tantrum in a store not getting thier candy and allowed to eat it too.

I disagree for them there are two sides. There is only one side. Everyone else is the enemy. When one tries to explain to them this is not accurate, they lash out. They don't discuss.

Trust me, Things could be MUCH MUCH worse for them than outsiders wanting to enter into constructive dialogue. Just go back 100 years and see how minorities were treated then. Yet its as if nothing has improved and its the end of the world if we don't sit silently and agree with everything they say. The reality is we have progressed in many ways. Yes we still have a long ways to go, but the second half of that journey will never happen if the behavior exhibited is the mainstay of their defense.
To me, its saddening that they can not recognize this.
They want people to understand without educating those to understand. Its a never ending cycle that accelerates hate from both sides. If anything we will start treading backwards in my opinion.

I hear you. Just telling you the why.

When enough people are voting in a way that takes your rights away, that dehumanizes you, everyone around you becomes the enemy until it's clear they aren't.

The problem is there a lot of people out there, enough to take their rights away that don't want to understand. They hate them for being LGBTQ or want to control women's reproductive rights. They want their way and that's it. And that's terrifying and repulsive to them.
 
As a union worker and from a retirement investment perspective Biden has been the best president of my adult life. Sure inflation has been high, but that’s a worldwide issue.

I’ve thrived under Biden’s watch.

Correlation vs. causation? I dunno. Just my view.
And as a bonus…..my kids haven’t had to wake up to racism and hatred spewing in from all angles. Thats a win/win in my ‘hood.
 
I feel really bad today because I was literally just doing a bit to try and be funny and failed. "Get your tans talk out of here" was said ironically, in that kind of "stop shoving your identity down my throat" way conservatives whine about queer people existing. But then everyone took it seriously so I had to as well. In a way I was trying to say "stop shoving my identity down your my throat".

Sometimes it feels like conservatives have made me being trans a bigger part of their identity than it is of mine. I find that funny, is all.

However, emotions are essential to debate, because without emotions, nothing would be worth debating. You don't dispassionately gain voting rights or the right to marry or the right to life-saving care. That doesn't happen with calm voices and quiet words. All of those rights were earned by passionate display. It's in this way that I feel his point is flawed. Being calm doesn't make you right, and being angry doesn't make you wrong.
 
Sometimes it feels like conservatives have made me being trans a bigger part of their identity than it is of mine. I find that funny, is all.

I am not sure that this is true for all conservatives, but to me a lot of their angst seems to come from a religious background of "god made you that way and if you do not use it the way provided, you are wrong".

Now, I am not a religious man, but logically, this seems stupid to me, because god (if one believes in her) also gave you your brain which tells you that you need to transition, so basically they are saying, "god gave you this brain and you should not use it the way provided".

So, to me, people that are against trans people are people that believe that genitalia is more important than brain. (* I understand that gender is not genitalia, but let's keep it simple for the transphobic out there) .

Maybe that is their identity...
 
I am not sure that this is true for all conservatives, but to me a lot of their angst seems to come from a religious background of "god made you that way and if you do not use it the way provided, you are wrong".

Now, I am not a religious man, but logically, this seems stupid to me, because god (if one believes in her) also gave you your brain which tells you that you need to transition, so basically they are saying, "god gave you this brain and you should not use it the way provided".

So, to me, people that are against trans people are people that believe that genitalia is more important than brain. (* I understand that gender is not genitalia, but let's keep it simple for the transphobic out there) .

Maybe that is their identity...

I used to be pretty religious, though I stopped after high school. My favorite metaphor for this is "I am trans for the same reason God made wheat but not bread. It's because He wants us to participate in the act of creation."
 
Well for starters, I'm now an independent. So I don't call my self a republican per say, but I share many of the older republican ideals.

But first, I think we need to define republican and democrats as it is today. Ill be the first to admit that both have evolved over time and when I say republicans ideals, I mean foundational ideals, not modern day. This article give some good insight to a republic vs democracy and some of the evolution.

https://www.aei.org/articles/democr...mnjVgZxcwG-ITo0dFcWF1VbrQK9xDwZxoCf5gQAvD_BwE


but the jist of the modern day differences are the following:

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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...differ-over-other-sources-of-meaning-in-life/

If you notice, they are really that much different.

Both feel strongly about family values, friends, community relationships etc.

Where the breakdown comes is largely on the debate of scientific things.

For example: Does life begin at conception or birth? Or somewhere in between? Science says one thing, some others say another.

For me, I would say I share the following beliefs.

Limited government overreach, especially in the private sector, families, homes, etc. We should not be regulating who can have sex with who, when a female wants to give birth or have an abortion or not, regardless of when I believe life begins. However I disagree with limited government in the business world. I do believe in free trade and the market, but I think there should be significant oversight of corporations to avoid corruption.

I believe in upholding the constitution until legal ramifications have been made.
I believe in following the structure of our government based on the voting and electoral process.

What I do not believe is bypassing the system to make things happen. Such as stopping traffic to get a point across.

I believe in protesting, but on political land, not private or public land of which is meant for other things than congregating. So a protest in a park to me is fine. In a traffic intersection is not.

I believe in equal rights for all, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. every person should have an equal voice when voting.

But where I get hung up is government aid to individuals. I believe we should all have equal opportunity, but I do not believe we should continue to help those that continually squander their opportunities. I believe in limits and cut offs based on continual poor decision making.
I can only give a dollar to a homeless person so many times and watch them spend it on negative things like drugs before I will cut that hand out off.

I believe that because we have been such a successful country over the centuries, it has spawned an entitled, lazy mentality, where people no longer think they need to work hard to achieve goals, get ahead and be successful.

when it comes to the 2020 republican platform, I'm not in favor of the descaling:
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/resolution-regarding-the-republican-party-platform

I'm not in favor of having to be registered with a party to have a say in the preliminaries. I understand the foundational concept, but it needs an overhaul to meet the current times and media exposure parties now get.
I believe in campaign finance reform.

I know that's kind of all over the place @barfo but there are sooo many topics to potentially discuss, it might be easier if you chose a topic for me to expand upon. I'm sure I have missed some things in here regarding the hot topics of the day.

Regarding the platform, I agree with all of these:

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President's America-first agenda;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and
RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order.


Especially the third one.

There are so many lies and misleads in todays political world, that I think the following is truly needed for anyone to actually know whole they are supporting and why.

campaign finance reform
media regulation reform


we need to get the money out of politics to reduce the corruption of politicians bending at the will of corporate power.
we need to figure out a way to accurately debunk and rescind media outlets that are deliberately spinning news or outright lying to further political agendas. I think that reporters should be held to a higher standard of ethics, though I don't know how to regulate that without infringing on the amendment. however it doesn't change my opinion its desperately needed.

But here is the key. I do not believe in sweeping generalities on anything, including labeling sects of people. I think this feeds into the misleading/spinning of individuals to either be part of or not be part of a group that they don't agree with 100%.
I think that it is just as bad to say democrats are bleeding heart liberals at the core, as it is to say republicans are nazis. This type of judgmental labeling is only increasing the divide we currently have and when people feed into that, they are part of the problem, whether they realized it or not.
People want the cast majority to denounce things, but when that vast majority is already cornered into some label, there becomes nothing to denounce.
When individuals cant have real conversations about controversial topics without resorting to demeaning labels that don't fit the individual, it does nothing to further the progress of constructive discussion.

Here are some ideas, good or bad I have to help.

Voting should no longer have an age requirement on it. Meaning children can also vote. But. All potential voters must pass a knowledge test prior to voting. Not an IQ test, a knowledge test. A test of our constitution, on how our government ( all three sects) operate.
I think there are too many uninformed, ignorant people voting based on headlines and not actual knowledge of what they are voting on.

Politicians are not helping to educate their core, but rather misleading them with false pretenses. This goes for both parties. The polarizing emotions exhibited by sooo many people are there are a testament to this. Just look at that crazy lady in her riding cart in the store. textbook emotional outburst. Not educated reason. or so it seems. And I say that to not try to defend her, but this goes right back to the misleading media outlets and individuals editing things to fit agendas. Does anyone know why this lady started her outburst? It isnt on the video. It picks up in the middle of her outburst, providing only one side to the story, but everyone, including myself, sees her as wacko. How do we know she wasnt violated, tried to report it was denied and felt helpless and thru a fit for it?

I can attest, I know exactly how it feels to be wrongly accused of something and have people judge without knowing all the facts. Its a completely helpless feeling. Leaves one lost, feeling alone in the world and often leads to striking out in one way or another.
More and more the average American is solidifying thier stance based on videos like this rather than dismissing it as nothing more than momentary entertainment without it having an impact on thier foundational ideals.

So if you would like to dive deeper into specific topics and who I think/feel believe, i'm all for it and I know I wont be as a scattered as this post seems to read.

The last thing I will say though is with all statements of believe, the person should be able to state the why. WHY do they believe this or that.

Since this is such a hot topic( I know I will get heat form this form those who react emotionally without mature reason) For example, I believe there is man and woman. X,Y chromosomes and X,X chromosomes. If you were born with a penis and have an X,Y chromosome, you are a man. Now I have no issues with men claiming they are a woman or vice versa, but I do not believe those individuals should force the rest of the world to join in their believe when the scientific evidence doesn't support it. I believe it is a right for any individual to claim they are whatever they want. It is not a right for others to have to agree or be forced to agree. You can say you are a cat all you want, but I'm not going to call you a cat just because you identify yourself in a cat. But IO would always vote for the right to be able to identify yourself as whatever.
I dare anyone to watch this video and discuss it without using emotions, but reason:



I believe and will always support the rights of anyone to tell others who they are. I do not believe its right for those individuals to try to force others to acknowledge/believe it.


Thanks for the reply! Some interesting stuff in there, let's dive in.

As far as stopping traffic goes, I believe that's currently illegal. So I'm not sure what more you want to do. Lock them up? Huge fines? Shoot on sight?

As far as cutting off aid based on bad decision-making, who is to be the judge of that?
And what if that poor decision maker has kids? Punish the kids? Put them in an orphanage?
Do people learn to make better decisions if they don't get any support?
What if they simply aren't capable of making good decisions? Some people are broken.
Is society at large better off if you cut off aid to such people? Doesn't that tend to increase homelessness, crime, and general desperation? Isn't it cheaper to provide the aid than deal with the effects of no aid?
Of all the positions of yours that you listed, this is the only one that seems even remotely "republican" to me. You definitely took Reagan's "welfare queen" rhetoric to heart.

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President's America-first agenda;

You agree with that? That we should abandon our allies, cozy up to Putin and other dictators, be hostile to other religions and generally anyone non-white, withdraw from global commerce, etc.?

As far as a test to be able to vote goes, that has been used effectively in the past to prevent certain 'undesirables' from voting, and has since been judged unconstitutional. But maybe as a compromise we could count the votes of those who fail the test as 3/5ths of a vote?

You don't have to call me a cat, but I will sharpen my nails on your leg anyway.

barfo


 
I am in favor of a knowledge test for voting. Only those with working knowledge of differential and integral calculus may vote.
Just kidding. A one question civics exam. Who won the 2020 presidential election?
Just kidding. Every citizen 18 or older may vote. And should. Make it easy to vote. It's called democracy.
 
Well for starters, I'm now an independent. So I don't call my self a republican per say, but I share many of the older republican ideals.

But first, I think we need to define republican and democrats as it is today. Ill be the first to admit that both have evolved over time and when I say republicans ideals, I mean foundational ideals, not modern day. This article give some good insight to a republic vs democracy and some of the evolution.

https://www.aei.org/articles/democr...mnjVgZxcwG-ITo0dFcWF1VbrQK9xDwZxoCf5gQAvD_BwE


but the jist of the modern day differences are the following:

View attachment 62353


https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...differ-over-other-sources-of-meaning-in-life/

If you notice, they are really that much different.

Both feel strongly about family values, friends, community relationships etc.

Where the breakdown comes is largely on the debate of scientific things.

For example: Does life begin at conception or birth? Or somewhere in between? Science says one thing, some others say another.

For me, I would say I share the following beliefs.

Limited government overreach, especially in the private sector, families, homes, etc. We should not be regulating who can have sex with who, when a female wants to give birth or have an abortion or not, regardless of when I believe life begins. However I disagree with limited government in the business world. I do believe in free trade and the market, but I think there should be significant oversight of corporations to avoid corruption.

I believe in upholding the constitution until legal ramifications have been made.
I believe in following the structure of our government based on the voting and electoral process.

What I do not believe is bypassing the system to make things happen. Such as stopping traffic to get a point across.

I believe in protesting, but on political land, not private or public land of which is meant for other things than congregating. So a protest in a park to me is fine. In a traffic intersection is not.

I believe in equal rights for all, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. every person should have an equal voice when voting.

But where I get hung up is government aid to individuals. I believe we should all have equal opportunity, but I do not believe we should continue to help those that continually squander their opportunities. I believe in limits and cut offs based on continual poor decision making.
I can only give a dollar to a homeless person so many times and watch them spend it on negative things like drugs before I will cut that hand out off.

I believe that because we have been such a successful country over the centuries, it has spawned an entitled, lazy mentality, where people no longer think they need to work hard to achieve goals, get ahead and be successful.

when it comes to the 2020 republican platform, I'm not in favor of the descaling:
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/resolution-regarding-the-republican-party-platform

I'm not in favor of having to be registered with a party to have a say in the preliminaries. I understand the foundational concept, but it needs an overhaul to meet the current times and media exposure parties now get.
I believe in campaign finance reform.

I know that's kind of all over the place @barfo but there are sooo many topics to potentially discuss, it might be easier if you chose a topic for me to expand upon. I'm sure I have missed some things in here regarding the hot topics of the day.

Regarding the platform, I agree with all of these:

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President's America-first agenda;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;
RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and
RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order.


Especially the third one.

There are so many lies and misleads in todays political world, that I think the following is truly needed for anyone to actually know whole they are supporting and why.

campaign finance reform
media regulation reform


we need to get the money out of politics to reduce the corruption of politicians bending at the will of corporate power.
we need to figure out a way to accurately debunk and rescind media outlets that are deliberately spinning news or outright lying to further political agendas. I think that reporters should be held to a higher standard of ethics, though I don't know how to regulate that without infringing on the amendment. however it doesn't change my opinion its desperately needed.

But here is the key. I do not believe in sweeping generalities on anything, including labeling sects of people. I think this feeds into the misleading/spinning of individuals to either be part of or not be part of a group that they don't agree with 100%.
I think that it is just as bad to say democrats are bleeding heart liberals at the core, as it is to say republicans are nazis. This type of judgmental labeling is only increasing the divide we currently have and when people feed into that, they are part of the problem, whether they realized it or not.
People want the cast majority to denounce things, but when that vast majority is already cornered into some label, there becomes nothing to denounce.
When individuals cant have real conversations about controversial topics without resorting to demeaning labels that don't fit the individual, it does nothing to further the progress of constructive discussion.

Here are some ideas, good or bad I have to help.

Voting should no longer have an age requirement on it. Meaning children can also vote. But. All potential voters must pass a knowledge test prior to voting. Not an IQ test, a knowledge test. A test of our constitution, on how our government ( all three sects) operate.
I think there are too many uninformed, ignorant people voting based on headlines and not actual knowledge of what they are voting on.

Politicians are not helping to educate their core, but rather misleading them with false pretenses. This goes for both parties. The polarizing emotions exhibited by sooo many people are there are a testament to this. Just look at that crazy lady in her riding cart in the store. textbook emotional outburst. Not educated reason. or so it seems. And I say that to not try to defend her, but this goes right back to the misleading media outlets and individuals editing things to fit agendas. Does anyone know why this lady started her outburst? It isnt on the video. It picks up in the middle of her outburst, providing only one side to the story, but everyone, including myself, sees her as wacko. How do we know she wasnt violated, tried to report it was denied and felt helpless and thru a fit for it?

I can attest, I know exactly how it feels to be wrongly accused of something and have people judge without knowing all the facts. Its a completely helpless feeling. Leaves one lost, feeling alone in the world and often leads to striking out in one way or another.
More and more the average American is solidifying thier stance based on videos like this rather than dismissing it as nothing more than momentary entertainment without it having an impact on thier foundational ideals.

So if you would like to dive deeper into specific topics and who I think/feel believe, i'm all for it and I know I wont be as a scattered as this post seems to read.

The last thing I will say though is with all statements of believe, the person should be able to state the why. WHY do they believe this or that.

Since this is such a hot topic( I know I will get heat form this form those who react emotionally without mature reason) For example, I believe there is man and woman. X,Y chromosomes and X,X chromosomes. If you were born with a penis and have an X,Y chromosome, you are a man. Now I have no issues with men claiming they are a woman or vice versa, but I do not believe those individuals should force the rest of the world to join in their believe when the scientific evidence doesn't support it. I believe it is a right for any individual to claim they are whatever they want. It is not a right for others to have to agree or be forced to agree. You can say you are a cat all you want, but I'm not going to call you a cat just because you identify yourself in a cat. But IO would always vote for the right to be able to identify yourself as whatever.
I dare anyone to watch this video and discuss it without using emotions, but reason:



I believe and will always support the rights of anyone to tell others who they are. I do not believe its right for those individuals to try to force others to acknowledge/believe it.


That graph is probably more so comparing liberal mindedness to conservative mindedness rather than Democrat and Republican. Those are really just the political parties we associate with and are actually quite different in how they are work currently in government. The Republicans are taking away a lot of people's civil rights. They are doing the exactly the thing you are saying you don't want, trying to force others to acknowledge or believe their way of thinking.

Are Democrats really doing that? I don't see it that way.

Republicans have used religion to try and force beliefs or ways of thinking. It's become extreme to the point it's being used to take away people's rights.

But Liberals and Conservatives do share some core views yes. Family, friends, community, etc

Yes, there is a breakdown at science. This sudden rejection of science by the right is head scratching.

I believe in science. Science says life starts with a heartbeat, not at conception.

I believe in spiritually. Religion can be good but is too often abused and is used to separate people and create divisiveness, the opposite for what it's intended to be.

I agree with limited government overreach in the private sector. I agree with oversight of corporations to curb corruption.

I believe in the constitution and the structure of government. I see the corruption and abuse of both though. I don't often agree with those elected to offices. I see a lot of damage being done.

I believe in campaign finance reform.

Independents should be able to vote in whichever primary they want.

I don't agree completely with America first because it entails cutting off help and support to all of our allies like Ukraine and undermining economic partnerships. We need to find a balance between better taking care of ourselves here (I e. homelessness, mental health, wealth gap etc) and helping abroad.

The welfare state is complex. Yeah, some people maybe lazy and gaming the system, but the wealth gap and Inflation is so much it's hard to impossible to keep up with, hence people needing and staying on government aid.

I don't think kids should be voting. They aren't mature enough to make these important choices. They would be to easily manipulated. Though, sadly that is happening to a lot of adults lately. Which is probably part of the wheel chair bound woman in the videos issue.

Media should be better regulated, but a lot of what is being referred to as fake news, isn't fake news. That's mostly just a childish phrase that politicians like Trump are using to attack media referring to them in a not so good light. Could the media be fairer, better, sure.

Sure, generally speaking men have penises and women have vaginas. That is after all what was in our middle school and high school textbooks growing up, what we learned naturally.

Science does support being transgender.

It doesn't appear the guy doing the speech in the video wanted to have a legitimate conversation. He told the transgender woman she had fooled others into thinking she was female. He seemed to not have any intention of being convinced otherwise.

The transgender woman seemed to struggle and probably wasn't as articulate as she maybe could have been. But, I got it.

This man was trying to get her to convince him (not really) why she thought/felt/knew she was a woman. He said, he only saw a man, because he wasn't willing to see a woman. I saw a woman, because she said she was. I don't need convincing. She identifies as a woman. She's a woman. I don't care what's under her jeans or shirt. It's the truth because it's her truth and many others truths and I accept that as the truth. I think women have vaginas and some transgender people are women can both be true.

Why does that guy care so much? Why do so many care so much that they have to have a speaking seminar where they all have to stand around and proclaim women have tits and vaginas?
 
I am in favor of a knowledge test for voting. Only those with working knowledge of differential and integral calculus may vote.
Just kidding. A one question civics exam. Who won the 2020 presidential election?
Just kidding. Every citizen 18 or older may vote. And should. Make it easy to vote. It's called democracy.

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