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All that is is the police attorneys version of what happened, which is not necessarily the "truth".

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UPDATE: From attorney general Josh Kaul: “The Wisconsin Department of Justice is conducting a fair, impartial, and independent investigation into the shooting of Jacob S. Blake. The lawyer who issued this statement represents both the Kenosha Professional Police Association (KPPA) and certain officers involved in the incident. We neither confirm nor deny any conclusions he believes can be drawn based on his representation of those officers and the KPPA.
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One could argue he is saying that to just cover their butts/distance themselves from any declarations in case it turns out what was released wasn't based in reality.
To believe this is the "truth" is just as misguided as thinking the defendants lawyer is speaking the truth.
 
The initial reports that caused a huge sports shutdown were... quite a bit off....

we are a hasty, kneejerk country that has lost the ability to withhold judgement until all facts are divulged....

its so fing concerning that its this mentality that is gonna continue to accelerate clashes and all out civil war will soon follow. It will likely turn into a racial war even when both sides will have people who love all, on them.
This is just insane and we are sheeple following media twisted headlines because the media are paid conglomerate puppets of those in power behind the scenes, financially.

we have got to fight these kneejerk incorrect headlines and we must excersize more patience in our judgements of things.

no way Blake deserved to be shot seven times.

Its also no way the cops should have been forced to make a decision to shoot in the first place, if Blake wouldn't have resisted.

there are two wrongs two be discussed here.
We must not. We CANNOT ignore either side or we will never have equal justice.
 
julius said:
All that is is the police attorneys version of what happened, which is not necessarily the "truth".

This is a key portion of the link



One could argue he is saying that to just cover their butts/distance themselves from any declarations in case it turns out what was released wasn't based in reality.
To believe this is the "truth" is just as misguided as thinking the defendants lawyer is speaking the truth.
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okay. So you are saying they are lying about trying to taser and the scuffle, etc?

what im saying is the reports now coming out are quite a bit different than the initial ones that caused the sports shutdown.
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay. So you are saying they are lying about trying to taser and the scuffle, etc?

what im saying is the reports now coming out are quite a bit different than the initial ones that caused the sports shutdown.
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I'm saying that a lawyer is going to present the "facts" based on what he (or she) has been told and the cops are going to say one thing and the victims will say another thing.

When the complete body camera footage is released, it will say something else.
 
julius said:
I'm saying that a lawyer is going to present the "facts" based on what he (or she) has been told and the cops are going to say one thing and the victims will say another thing.

When the complete body camera footage is released, it will say something else.
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There is no body cam footage to be released police in that district don't wear them. There is two separate video's, the 911 call, and witness reports.
 
julius said:
I'm saying that a lawyer is going to present the "facts" based on what he (or she) has been told and the cops are going to say one thing and the victims will say another thing.

When the complete body camera footage is released, it will say something else.
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okay. BUt when the first video was released, that didnt show a scuffle, the cops were already judged and condemned.
Then new footage comes out and not one step backwards.
This is not equal justice. This turning the blind eye to the victims actions will not initiate equal justice. It will reaffirm and cement the stance of those who oppose police reform.
If we dont hold the victim in part responsible for his shooting, them how do we ever expect everyone to reach a compromise for equal justice and move on to a better, more peaceful future?

yes it must be discussed the cop shot seven times and thsts just wrong.
But it also needs to be discussed the victims actions that forced the cop to make a decision to shoot in the first place. He was presumably reaching for a deadly weapon after a scuffle ( fact)with the officers resisting arrest.
sometimes you don't have all the facts(knife, gun?) before your forced to make a life aNd death decision.
This report brings this news out in written form and im pushing the discussion of both sides, because im seeing a dismissal of the victims actions with a doubling down on the cops. To me, this is not right, fair or equal.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
There is no body cam footage to be released police in that district don't wear them. There is two separate video's, the 911 call, and witness reports.
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They don't have body cameras? That's lame.

Point being, "the truth" is subjective. I didn't believe Mr Blakes lawyers version anymore than I believe the Police attorneys version.
 
julius said:
They don't have body cameras? That's lame.

Point being, "the truth" is subjective. I didn't believe Mr Blakes lawyers version anymore than I believe the Police attorneys version.
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Even when his version coincides with the second video released?
 
julius said:
They don't have body cameras? That's lame.

Point being, "the truth" is subjective. I didn't believe Mr Blakes lawyers version anymore than I believe the Police attorneys version.
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I think it's fair to say from the evidence we have in this case the initial reporting, that he was there just to break up a fight he was a good samaritan, that didn't resist that stuff was not the truth. None of that means he deserved to be shot at all or seven times... There was a knife, it's been reported two different ways it was already on him, or that it was in the car, but either way there was a weapon. We know from the 911 call that the truth for why the police were called in wasn't reported factually from the start. There is also sufficient evidence to say he was resisting arrest.
Does any of that mean he deserved to be shot at all (let alone 7 times), no it doesn't. It does mean though that our media needs to be much more careful in how they report things especially when things are so volatile right now.

Edit: Oh and I Agree bodycams need to be a must country wide
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think it's fair to say from the evidence we have in this case the initial reporting, that he was there just to break up a fight he was a good samaritan, that didn't resist that stuff was not the truth. None of that means he deserved to be shot at all or seven times... There was a knife, it's been reported two different ways it was already on him, or that it was in the car, but either way there was a weapon. We know from the 911 call that the truth for why the police were called in wasn't reported factually from the start. There is also sufficient evidence to say he was resisting arrest.
Does any of that mean he deserved to be shot at all (let alone 7 times), no it doesn't. It does mean though that our media needs to be much more careful in how they report things especially when things are so volatile right now.

Edit: Oh and I Agree bodycams need to be a must country wide
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I'm fairly certain I've never said one way or the other how I felt about this subject (maybe I have, there's a lot of posts made on here).

I just don't think the end result should be him being shot 7 times.

I don't believe most media reports on how things happen anyways.
 
julius said:
I'm fairly certain I've never said one way or the other how I felt about this subject (maybe I have, there's a lot of posts made on here).

I just don't think the end result should be him being shot 7 times.

I don't believe most media reports on how things happen anyways.
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Well, I didn't accuse you of any of those things. I agree he shouldn't have been shot 7 times too.
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay. BUt when the first video was released, that didnt show a scuffle, the cops were already judged and condemned.
Then new footage comes out and not one step backwards.
This is not equal justice. This turning the blind eye to the victims actions will not initiate equal justice. It will reaffirm and cement the stance of those who oppose police reform.
If we dont hold the victim in part responsible for his shooting, them how do we ever expect everyone to reach a compromise for equal justice and move on to a better, more peaceful future?

yes it must be discussed the cop shot seven times and thsts just wrong.
But it also needs to be discussed the victims actions that forced the cop to make a decision to shoot in the first place. He was presumably reaching for a deadly weapon after a scuffle ( fact)with the officers resisting arrest.
sometimes you don't have all the facts(knife, gun?) before your forced to make a life aNd death decision.
This report brings this news out in written form and im pushing the discussion of both sides, because im seeing a dismissal of the victims actions with a doubling down on the cops. To me, this is not right, fair or equal.
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I think you're conflating two different things here.

Did Blake deserve to be arrested?

He most certainly did. There is no question in that.

Was 7 shots in the back at point blank range the appropriate amount and correct use of force to arrest him?

No.
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay. BUt when the first video was released, that didnt show a scuffle, the cops were already judged and condemned.
Then new footage comes out and not one step backwards.
This is not equal justice. This turning the blind eye to the victims actions will not initiate equal justice. It will reaffirm and cement the stance of those who oppose police reform.
If we dont hold the victim in part responsible for his shooting, them how do we ever expect everyone to reach a compromise for equal justice and move on to a better, more peaceful future?

yes it must be discussed the cop shot seven times and thsts just wrong.
But it also needs to be discussed the victims actions that forced the cop to make a decision to shoot in the first place. He was presumably reaching for a deadly weapon after a scuffle ( fact)with the officers resisting arrest.
sometimes you don't have all the facts(knife, gun?) before your forced to make a life aNd death decision.
This report brings this news out in written form and im pushing the discussion of both sides, because im seeing a dismissal of the victims actions with a doubling down on the cops. To me, this is not right, fair or equal.
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SlyPokerDog said:
I think you're conflating two different things here.

Did Blake deserve to be arrested?

He most certainly did. There is no question in that.

Was 7 shots in the back at point blank range the appropriate amount and correct use of force to arrest him?

No.
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i don't think i am and i addressed both as separate in bold in the post you quoted.... you must have missed it...
 
THE HCP said:
What caused the players to step away for 2 days was that a man was shot in the back SEVEN TIMES!!!!!!!
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and i have said that was wrong point blank many times.
Ive also said there is much more to the story that should be addressed or it will continue to happen.
Do you think the cop shooting seven times is worthy of discussion but the cop being forced into making a decision to shoot in the first place isnt?
 
Orion Bailey said:
i don't think i am and i addressed both as separate in bold in the post you quoted.... you must have missed it...
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I think it's obvious that many Americans, not just blacks are tired of overt aggression and excessive force by the police.

Here is a great example of that I posted in a different thread that went on uncommented on.



If this had not recorded this man would have been fucked. He was charged with resisting arrest. The police went after the person recording it.

And this happened in March and didn't get resolved until August.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...tion/103-80227c9d-0447-4233-bfdc-ddd2255a5a6f

How does this man ever believe he will be treated fairly by the police again?

They had the wrong man, they abused him, then filed false charges against him.
 
@SlyPokerDog I love you man.....but you are straight wasting your time with these people on here. If they honestly take the time to defend Trump/ and this cop behavior then you aren’t going to get to them. They are typing reasons why this type of behavior is justified. I just don’t get it.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think it's obvious that many Americans, not just blacks are tired of overt aggression and excessive force by the police.

Here is a great example of that I posted in a different thread that went on uncommented on.



If this had not recorded this man would have been fucked. He was charged with resisting arrest. The police went after the person recording it.

And this happened in March and didn't get resolved until August.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...tion/103-80227c9d-0447-4233-bfdc-ddd2255a5a6f

How does this man ever believe he will be treated fairly by the police again?

They had the wrong man, they abused him, then filed false charges against him.
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And here is the final Fuck You to that man and the public.

The police investigated themselves. They found the actions of the officers wrong but not so wrong that they have to disclose what actions were taken against the officers for excessive force.

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THE HCP said:
@SlyPokerDog I love you man.....but you are straight wasting your time with these people on here. If they honestly take the time to defend Trump/ and this cop behavior then you aren’t going to get to them. They are typing reasons why this type of behavior is justified. I just don’t get it.
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Nah, OB is bring up some great points and are leading to some good discussions that all of us need to have as a society.

Also I have no idea if OB is a Trump supporter.

I know he is a Blazer supporter.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I think it's obvious that many Americans, not just blacks are tired of overt aggression and excessive force by the police.

Here is a great example of that I posted in a different thread that went on uncommented on.



If this had not recorded this man would have been fucked. He was charged with resisting arrest. The police went after the person recording it.

And this happened in March and didn't get resolved until August.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...tion/103-80227c9d-0447-4233-bfdc-ddd2255a5a6f

How does this man ever believe he will be treated fairly by the police again?

They had the wrong man, they abused him, then filed false charges against him.
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and i can find countless videos of people resisting arrest. Why doest it have to be only one side? Why cant both be topics of discussion?

Do you disagree that this will continue to happen and it wont be resolved because right wingers will stand up for the cops simply because they believe its wrong to dismiss what the victim did initially?

im not judging either. Im saying if the discussion isnt had for both topics, peace will never be had because right wingers will come to the defense of the cop simply because. This will continue the divide and standoff and no peaceful resolution will come.
 
THE HCP said:
@SlyPokerDog I love you man.....but you are straight wasting your time with these people on here. If they honestly take the time to defend Trump/ and this cop behavior then you aren’t going to get to them. They are typing reasons why this type of behavior is justified. I just don’t get it.
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i know you are biased against me with your grudge you hold, but two adults are discussing something. You dont need to yell at me and then belittle me in a post to Sly.
Pretty petty of you to try to stop a conversation about this, and thats exactly what im saying.
Your post here is nothing but part of the problem.
I dont even know what the hell your problem is but if you cant be civil then just but out dude....
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So he WASN'T shot seven times in the back?

Newsflash: Cops don't do that even if you're fucking Jeffrey Dahmer in other countries. Cops don't do that even if you're actually holding a knife.


Wouldn't that be better?
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noo thats not what i said Rasta. But nice spin. :)
 
Orion Bailey said:
i know you are biased against me with your grudge you hold, but two adults are discussing something. You dont need to yell at me and then belittle me in a post to Sly.
Pretty petty of you to try to stop a conversation about this, and thats exactly what im saying.
Your post here is nothing but part of the problem.
I dont even know what the hell your problem is but if you cant be civil then just but out dude....
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