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Orion Bailey said:
i know you are biased against me with your grudge you hold, but two adults are discussing something. You dont need to yell at me and then belittle me in a post to Sly.
Pretty petty of you to try to stop a conversation about this, and thats exactly what im saying.
Your post here is nothing but part of the problem.
I dont even know what the hell your problem is but if you cant be civil then just but out dude....
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It’s impossible for me to hold a “grudge” against somebody who doesn’t register with me. I’ll just stop at that......would hate for me to get in trouble at work for what I really want to say.
 
THE HCP said:
It’s impossible for me to hold a “grudge” against somebody who doesn’t register with me. I’ll just stop at that......would hate for me to get in trouble at work for what I really want to say.
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dude if i don't register with you then why are you quoting and yelling at me and posting to sly Bout me? Get a grip man....

And if you get in trouble at your work you would have no one but yourself to blame for that.
You just keep perpetuating this cycle but try to blame me for it dont you? When will it ever stop?
 
Orion Bailey said:
and i can find countless videos of people resisting arrest. Why doest it have to be only one side? Why cant both be topics of discussion?
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Find videos. I never said it has to be one sided. I never said it couldn't be both topics.

Orion Bailey said:
Do you disagree that this will continue to happen and it wont be resolved because right wingers will stand up for the cops simply because they believe its wrong to dismiss what the victim did initially?
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I think with more and more people having better and better recording devices with them at all times we will see examples of policing tactics not acceptable to the communities they serve. It's up to the communities to decide what is right.

Orion Bailey said:
m not judging either. Im saying if the discussion isnt had for both topics, peace will never be had because right wingers will come to the defense of the cop simply because. This will continue the divide and standoff and no peaceful resolution will come.
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I'm not sure where this focus on rightwingers is coming from. I think the vast majority of Americans are against excessive force by law enforcement. In the Blake case and in the example I shared again I don't believe political beliefs entered into the actions of the officers or the suspects at the time.
 
Orion Bailey said:
will it ever stop?
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I’m quite sure the majority of this forums asks the same question........EVERY DAMN DAY you start on your paragraph long rants and complaints about everything and everybody on here. It never stops.Everyday.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Find videos. I never said it has to be one sided. I never said it couldn't be both topics.



I think with more and more people having better and better recording devices with them at all times we will see examples of policing tactics not acceptable to the communities they serve. It's up to the communities to decide what is right.



I'm not sure where this focus on rightwingers is coming from. I think the vast majority of Americans are against excessive force by law enforcement. In the Blake case and in the example I shared again I don't believe political beliefs entered into the actions of the officers or the suspects at the time.
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im speaking of the ones driving into downtown. Blue line supporters.
They are forming because it has been fairly oneside in my opinion and as long as it continues, so will they.
Thats where its coming from. Things like the clackamas thread.
 
THE HCP said:
I’m quite sure the majority of this forums asks the same question........EVERY DAMN DAY you start on your paragraph long rants and complaints about everything and everybody on here. It never stops.Everyday.
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its behavior you exhibit today that prompts those posts. Ignore me then. You are as much part of the problem as me. The difference is i admit it and you dont. Take your bs elsewhere please. Youve made me your agenda since i first joined this place. its time for you to move the fuck on man.....
 
Why don't the two of you just ignore each other? It's a constant game of "I know you are but what am I". And since neither one of you seems capable of letting it go, just ignore each other for fucks sake.
 
julius said:
Why don't the two of you just ignore each other? It's a constant game of "I know you are but what am I". And since neither one of you seems capable of letting it go, just ignore each other for fucks sake.
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who quoted who julius? I even responded at him yelling at me in a cordial manner.

go at him. Not me.
 
Orion Bailey said:
who quoted who julius? I even responded at him yelling at me in a cordial manner.

go at him. Not me.
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It takes two to tango. If you put him on ignore, *you don't see him*. If he puts you on ignore, *he doesn't see you*.

When you refuse to put someone on ignore (in this situation) all it does is come off like someone who is happy with the situation as is, and wants to have something to complain about.
 
julius said:
It takes two to tango. If you put him on ignore, *you don't see him*. If he puts you on ignore, *he doesn't see you*.

When you refuse to put someone on ignore (in this situation) all it does is come off like someone who is happy with the situation as is, and wants to have something to complain about.
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fair enough. I just don't put people on ignore because i like to treat each days as a new day on here, among other things. But ill refrain from replying...
 
Orion Bailey said:
But it also needs to be discussed the victims actions that forced the cop to make a decision to shoot in the first place. He was presumably reaching for a deadly weapon after a scuffle ( fact)with the officers resisting arrest.
sometimes you don't have all the facts(knife, gun?) before your forced to make a life aNd death decision.
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That would justify shooting a great number of unarmed people.

I had a cop pull a gun on me once. I was reaching for something, and he wasn't sure what.

He made a life and death decision, I guess, and decided not to shoot me.

But then, I'm white.

I was reaching for my wallet, which wasn't in my pants at the time, so that I could give him my drivers license.

I disagree (based on what little I know of the Blake incident) that he 'forced' the cop to decide to shoot him. The cop decided that all on his own, whether due to stupidity, fear, poor training, racism, or whatever.

barfo
 
julius said:
Why don't the two of you just ignore each other? It's a constant game of "I know you are but what am I". And since neither one of you seems capable of letting it go, just ignore each other for fucks sake.
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Seems like a good idea.
 
@ABM it's this exact situation that BLM is talking about and proposing legislation about and in some areas passing legislation. I can't help but think that when it comes to BLM these are the discussions that we need to be having. Not whether BLM is operating in a way you think they should.

These are real topics, real problems, and real proposed solutions.

Should the police be allowed to investigate themselves, determine if the actions were right or wrong, and if wrong issue punishment but not have to disclose that punishment to the public? What are the better solutions or procedures for that?
SlyPokerDog said:
I think it's obvious that many Americans, not just blacks are tired of overt aggression and excessive force by the police.

Here is a great example of that I posted in a different thread that went on uncommented on.



If this had not recorded this man would have been fucked. He was charged with resisting arrest. The police went after the person recording it.

And this happened in March and didn't get resolved until August.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/...tion/103-80227c9d-0447-4233-bfdc-ddd2255a5a6f

How does this man ever believe he will be treated fairly by the police again?

They had the wrong man, they abused him, then filed false charges against him.
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SlyPokerDog said:
And here is the final Fuck You to that man and the public.

The police investigated themselves. They found the actions of the officers wrong but not so wrong that they have to disclose what actions were taken against the officers for excessive force.

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barfo said:
That would justify shooting a great number of unarmed people.

I had a cop pull a gun on me once. I was reaching for something, and he wasn't sure what.

He made a life and death decision, I guess, and decided not to shoot me.

But then, I'm white.

I was reaching for my wallet, which wasn't in my pants at the time, so that I could give him my drivers license.

I disagree (based on what little I know of the Blake incident) that he 'forced' the cop to decide to shoot him. The cop decided that all on his own, whether due to stupidity, fear, poor training, racism, or whatever.

barfo
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were you previously in a scuffle with the officer and resisting arrest? If not the. I would say you didn't represent near a life or death situation and its different.
Each case is different and should be examined on their own.
 
Orion Bailey said:
were you previously in a scuffle with the officer and resisting arrest? If not the. I would say you didn't represent near a life or death situation and its different.
Each case is different and should be examined on their own.
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Not to butt in, but thats legit -- if I'm reading it right -- what the last part of his message was about.
 
Orion Bailey said:
were you previously in a scuffle with the officer and resisting arrest? If not the. I would say you didn't represent near a life or death situation and its different.
Each case is different and should be examined on their own.
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Sure, each case is a little different. So? A big part of the job of a cop is to figure out what the situation is and act appropriately, not just kill people whenever there is some uncertainty.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Sure, each case is a little different. So? A big part of the job of a cop is to figure out what the situation is and act appropriately, not just kill people whenever there is some uncertainty.

barfo
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Who said that? Not me.

I'm saying both sides should be discussed. If you want to turn a blind eye to the other side, that's your choice. I'm not gonna do it though.
 
barfo said:
Sure, each case is a little different. So? A big part of the job of a cop is to figure out what the situation is and act appropriately, not just kill people whenever there is some uncertainty.

barfo
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barfo said:
Who said what?



Yes, you are. Very fine people on both sides.

barfo
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Who said what I bolded above.

And some wrongs to be discussed on both sides. That's all i've been saying.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Who said what I bolded above.
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You pretty much did say that, actually. You said that the cop was 'forced' to make a life and death decision.

But literally any interaction with a citizen could end up with the citizen being shot in the back, if that's a sufficient excuse.

And some wrongs to be discussed on both sides. That's all i've been saying.
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Of course 'both sides' acted badly, but only one side shot the other in the back 7 times.

barfo
 
barfo said:
So you are suggesting it wasn't racism. Poor training then? Fear? What do you think?

barfo
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I do. I think it was part poor training part legit fear brought on by having lost a scuffle with a man resisting arrest, then going to his car to grab something. I don't see how anyone could think it wrong of the officer at that point not to assume he is going for a weapon. DO you think he was going for some chewing gun? a white Flag? I mean we must use common sense, just like its common sense that the cop didn't have to shoot 7 times. But what happened first? The victim resisting arrest and based on the timeline, the shooting never would have happened if the victim would not have been disobedient. And that's a fact based on the timeline. To not hold the victim part responsible is just not equal justice.

Yes, the cop could and should have avoided shooting seven times, but the victim could and should have avoided getting shot all together based on the cops having guns drawn and not pulling the trigger to begin with, if he would have just not resisted. Anyone not admitting this is not being fair.
 
calvin natt said:
There is one reason to not have a body cam. Wonder why police wouldn’t want them.
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I'll provide links, apparently that police department didn't have them at all. They had planned to start purchasing them in 2022 from what I read, the legislation was passed in 2017 and ran into some political issues or something. Seemed super dumb, they should have body cams, not having them leads to more stupid stuff. Even crazier is if the officers have done nothing wrong the body cams are actually good for them, so I don't understand why anyone fight against having body cams other than they want to abuse the lack of accountability.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ody-cameras-years-before-shooting/5630766002/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nati...0200825-6c2w2tochnfwvfwqkmahbu3tsa-story.html

I did read that because of this incident they are moving up buying them to early next year so I guess that's good...
https://journaltimes.com/news/local...cle_374ccc4d-8f9f-5aef-876f-c731e3d41baf.html
 
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