Exclusive The Truth about the Jacob Blake Shooting comes out....

[Orion Bailey]

You pretty much did say that, actually. You said that the cop was 'forced' to make a life and death decision.

But literally any interaction with a citizen could end up with the citizen being shot in the back, if that's a sufficient excuse.



Of course 'both sides' acted badly, but only one side shot the other in the back 7 times.

barfo

no I didnt, this is why you are so hard to have a conversation with. You twist things and put words in my mouth. You answer questions with questions and sidestep/dismiss the questions directed at you more often than not.
Quote me where I said Its okay for a cop to KILL when uncertain? Second, Im stating that the cop had legit right to assume the victim was going for a weapon based on the situation and guess what? the cop was right in his assumption.

I NEVER said cops can just kill when uncertain. Now please stop twisting things or we are done with this convo.

 

[barfo]

I do. I think it was part poor training part legit fear brought on by having lost a scuffle with a man resisting arrest, then going to his car to grab something. I don't see how anyone could think it wrong of the officer at that point not to assume he is going for a weapon. DO you think he was going for some chewing gun? a white Flag? I mean we must use common sense, just like its common sense that the cop didn't have to shoot 7 times. But what happened first? The victim resisting arrest and based on the timeline, the shooting never would have happened if the victim would not have been disobedient. And that's a fact based on the timeline. To not hold the victim part responsible is just not equal justice.

Yes, the cop could and should have avoided shooting seven times, but the victim could and should have avoided getting shot all together based on the cops having guns drawn and not pulling the trigger to begin with, if he would have just not resisted. Anyone not admitting this is not being fair.

I am totally in favor of charging the guy with resisting arrest and whatever else is appropriate. And the cop should be charged with murder.

Edit: er, attempted murder, as far as I know he isn't dead.

barfo

 

[THE HCP]

I was a police officer in the Army for 5 years. There was no need for 7 shots to be fired in that man’s back.

 

[Chris Craig]

And here is the final Fuck You to that man and the public.

The police investigated themselves. They found the actions of the officers wrong but not so wrong that they have to disclose what actions were taken against the officers for excessive force.

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Probably paid vacation

 

[Orion Bailey]

I am totally in favor of charging the guy with resisting arrest and whatever else is appropriate. And the cop should be charged with murder.

barfo

S the victim, who wasnt shot until after he went for a deadly weapon, should not be charged with an intent to kill? I'm fine with charging the cops for murder if you are going to charge the victim with an intent to kill. Equal justice.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

S the victim, who wasnt shot until after he went for a deadly weapon, should not be charged with an intent to kill? I'm fine with charging the cops for murder if you are going to charge the victim with an intent to kill. Equal justice.

Holding a knife is not intent to kill.

Using a knife is intent to kill.

 

[Chris Craig]

Holding a knife is not intent to kill.

Using a knife is intent to kill.

Did he have a knife in his hand? I never saw one in the videos.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Did he have a knife in his hand? I never saw one in the videos.

It's being reported by police that he did.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Did he have a knife in his hand? I never saw one in the videos.

There are varying reports on that... Some people are pointing to some photo's that show he had a knife, but they're blurry. There was a knife on the scene it's kind of down to who you believe on if he had it in his hand or it was in the car...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Holding a knife is not intent to kill.

Using a knife is intent to kill.

Okay so after a scuffle and resisting arrest, you cant accurately determine if he is going for the knife, what his intent is? If his intent was to just hold it, why go for it at all? And secondly., they were too close. They moment he had it in his hand a split second goes from holding the knife to stabbing with the knife.

Sometimes I think some of you think cops have some sort of pause button while in the middle of a situation or something. lol.

"Wait., He is going for something, looks like a knife. Lets pause everything so we can figure it out".... while in reality the only pause is in the mind and the cop gets stabbed.....

 

[Orion Bailey]

If he wasn't going for a weapon, what, may I ask, does anyone think he was going for? His ID card? a breath mint?

.....

 

[THE HCP]

Is there anybody on this forum who has extensive police training and has actually drawn down on a suspect? Wonder what their opinion is?

 

[Chris Craig]

How do we know the knife wasn't planted

 

[Chris Craig]

If he wasn't going for a weapon, what, may I ask, does anyone think he was going for? His ID card? a breath mint?

.....

To get in his car and drive away.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I rode with the state police and though I remained in the car, was witness to three dui's, one domestic violence dispute where the officer had to detain the husband based on the wife wanting to press charges, and one armed robbery with the suspect detained when we got there.

In no instance did the officer I was with have to draw a weapon. and yet my heart was racing in every single one.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Okay so after a scuffle and resisting arrest, you cant accurately determine if he is going for the knife, what his intent is? If his intent was to just hold it, why go for it at all? And secondly., they were too close. They moment he had it in his hand a split second goes from holding the knife to stabbing with the knife.

Sometimes I think some of you think cops have some sort of pause button while in the middle of a situation or something. lol.

"Wait., He is going for something, looks like a knife. Lets pause everything so we can figure it out".... while in reality the only pause is in the mind and the cop gets stabbed.....

Was the officer's life in immediate danger at the time he shot?

If Blake had lunged, swung, waved, made any motion towards police then shooting was justified and 7 shots is not unreasonable.

But the fact that Blake was shot in the back IMO proves that the officers lives were not in danger at the time of the shooting.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Is there anybody on this forum who has extensive police training and has actually drawn down on a suspect? Wonder what their opinion is?

I watched a video earlier this week about Armed Forces police training and the police, and how the training in the Army and the armed forces is so much better at preparing officers for deadly situations. The video was from an veteran marine who had been in Afghanistan. His point through the whole thing is that in the armed forces they train people to stay focused even when your 'fear reflex' kicks in. His take was that Police officers really, really need more intensive training for dealing with situations like this.

 

[Orion Bailey]

To get in his car and drive away.

It doesn't look like that was his intent at all by the video. Looks like he gets in and leans to the side to reach for something under the seat.

 

[THE HCP]

I watched a video earlier this week about Armed Forces police training and the police, and how the training in the Army and the armed forces is so much better at preparing officers for deadly situations. The video was from an veteran marine who had been in Afghanistan. His point through the whole thing is that in the armed forces they train people to stay focused even when your 'fear reflex' kicks in. His take was that Police officers really, really need more intensive training for dealing with situations like this.

I was an MP for 5 years. There are 2 types of MPs....... Field and Garrison (what you might consider a normal police officer)You receive extensive training in both. I would say half of our training was like taking psychology classes. Conflict resolution for example. How to control elevated heart rates. Really interesting stuff. I have friends that are police here in town, but I’m not familiar with their training to be honest.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Was the officer's life in immediate danger at the time he shot?

If Blake had lunged, swung, waved, made any motion towards police then shooting was justified and 7 shots is not unreasonable.

But the fact that Blake was shot in the back IMO proves that the officers lives were not in danger at the time of the shooting.

no way does that prove anything when they are within arms reach. How easy would it be to stab backwards while still standing there but turning at the same time. I could do it in an instant right now in the kitchen with a kitchen knife.

Again . I have always said shooting 7 times is wrong, so some of you who bring it up over and over are just acting like parrots. What ive been addressing is how the situation gets there in the first place and how it could have been avoided several stops along the way, PRIOR to they cop making the wrong choice to shoot him 7 times.


None of you want to discuss that and that's telling....you must all want some sort of civil war or something because without being candid about all aspects, you are inviting the extremists out of the woods to defend the cops because no one else is condemning the victims actions prior to him being shot. And they should be.

If we, as a people address both and take action on both education society on both, then these extremists will have no ground to stand on and we are going to see more of these armed parades rolling through protests. I don't want that. I dont think many people want that, but the ignoring of half of the situation, i believe will bring it on.

We MUST discuss both and figure out solutions to both, or we will not have equal justice.

 

[Chris Craig]

It doesn't look like that was his intent at all by the video. Looks like he gets in and leans to the side to reach for something under the seat.

He didn't have time to get all the way in. He was grabbed from behind and shot in the back 7 times by the cop before he could. He then fell forward and hit his head on the steering wheel activating the horn..

 

[THE HCP]

We’ve been in the middle of a fucking civil war for 4 years! There is no, “there’s gonna be a civil war” about it. If there isn’t change of leadership in November this will get TWICE as bad.

 

[Orion Bailey]

yeah. no.

This is civil unrest. When both sides are using shells on each other, that's a war....

All we have right now are spoiled brats on both sides playing army.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

no way does that prove anything when they are within arms reach. How easy would it be to stab backwards while still standing there but turning at the same time. I could do it in an instant right now in the kitchen with a kitchen knife.

Again . I have always said shooting 7 times is wrong, so some of you who bring it up over and over are just acting like parrots. What ive been addressing is how the situation gets there in the first place and how it could have been avoided several stops along the way, PRIOR to they cop making the wrong choice to shoot him 7 times.


None of you want to discuss that and that's telling....you must all want some sort of civil war or something because without being candid about all aspects, you are inviting the extremists out of the woods to defend the cops because no one else is condemning the victims actions prior to him being shot. And they should be.

If we, as a people address both and take action on both education society on both, then these extremists will have no ground to stand on and we are going to see more of these armed parades rolling through protests. I don't want that. I dont think many people want that, but the ignoring of half of the situation, i believe will bring it on.

We MUST discuss both and figure out solutions to both, or we will not have equal justice.

You can do all the what ifs you want.

Blake was in the wrong and should have been arrested. No one is disagreeing with that.

Could he have Jackie Chan'd his way into killing all the cops? Sure.

Could he have had a bazooka in his car and fired it through the sunroof of the car and hit a plane so it crashed on the officers and killed them? Sure!

If it means you thinking that I don't want civil war then I guess I will agree to all of these whatifs.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

We’ve been in the middle of a fucking civil war for 4 years! There is no, “there’s gonna be a civil war” about it. If there isn’t change of leadership in November this will get TWICE as bad.

This isn't really aimed at you so don't take it that way ...
If I was a gambler I'd bet that there will be several mass-death type events from protestors/rioters and 'anti' protestors/rioters over the next couple months before the election gets here. If Trump wins it's gonna get pretty nuts, but I don't think it's going to get better even if Biden wins. There are enough people who just as passionately don't want him in office too...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ce=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
https://www.toddstarnes.com/values/spike-lee-wonders-if-america-is-headed-towards-another-civil-war/
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...ronavirus-fox-news-nancy-pelosi-a9495151.html
http://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/are-we-headed-for-another-civil-war/

I could post just about an endless amount of links with predictions of where things will go and how no one seems to know how to settle it down... I have seen so many on the left call for violence and death and painting anyone opposed to them as Nazi / Fascists... I've seen so many on the right calling for violence and death to all the commies/socialists. So many people in these protests are very out front about what they want, they want a revolution for their ideology, you won't get that without a lot of bloodshed that's the nature of political revolutions...

It's why I get so aggravated at the hyperbole and the dehumanization of people, once you dehumanize them killing them becomes a lot easier...

 

[Hoopguru]

This isn't really aimed at you so don't take it that way ...
If I was a gambler I'd bet that there will be several mass-death type events from protestors/rioters and 'anti' protestors/rioters over the next couple months before the election gets here. If Trump wins it's gonna get pretty nuts, but I don't think it's going to get better even if Biden wins. There are enough people who just as passionately don't want him in office too...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ce=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
https://www.toddstarnes.com/values/spike-lee-wonders-if-america-is-headed-towards-another-civil-war/
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...ronavirus-fox-news-nancy-pelosi-a9495151.html
http://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/are-we-headed-for-another-civil-war/

I could post just about an endless amount of links with predictions of where things will go and how no one seems to know how to settle it down... I have seen so many on the left call for violence and death and painting anyone opposed to them as Nazi / Fascists... I've seen so many on the right calling for violence and death to all the commies/socialists. So many people in these protests are very out front about what they want, they want a revolution for their ideology, you won't get that without a lot of bloodshed that's the nature of political revolutions...

It's why I get so aggravated at the hyperbole and the dehumanization of people, once you dehumanize them killing them becomes a lot easier...

I think thats very accurate...When you have two extreme sides (white supremacist & antifa/anarchist) thats exactly what they want, a fight to submission. Like the ones my grandson watches ion a cage.
Both ideologies need to be kept out of Downtown Portland with a curfew an Wheeler cannot ;play footsies with Antifa as being part of BLM, they are not!

 

[jonnyboy]

We’ve been in the middle of a fucking civil war for 4 years! There is no, “there’s gonna be a civil war” about it. If there isn’t change of leadership in November this will get TWICE as bad.

Interesting how it’s the people on the left threatening to fuck shit up if they don’t get their way. Then turning around and acting “concerned” that things might get bad if Trump gets re-elected. You think? They more or less promised it and they are gonna pretend to be surprised when it happens?

 

[crandc]

Whenever a woman is raped, we hear questions about what she did, what she said, what she wore. Her past history is inspected for supposed bad behavior, even normal youth behavior. We don't hear what the rapist did or all about his past.

When a Black person is shot by cops or vigilantes we hear all about his/her past behavior. Did the cop or vigilantes have a history of racism? Excessive force? Bad temper? Turn victim into criminal and criminal into victim.

Speaking of criminals, the young Trumper charged with killing two protesters (both white BTW) was caught on video last month sucker punching a young woman. He is a hero on the right for allegedly murdering two people.

 

[THE HCP]

Whenever a woman is raped, we hear questions about what she did, what she said, what she wore. Her last history is inspected for supposed bad behavior, even normal youth behavior. We don't hear what the rapist did or all about his past.

When a Black person is shot by cops or vigilantes we hear all about his/her past behavior. Did the cop or vigilantes have a history of racism? Excessive force? Bad temper? Turn victim into criminal and criminal into victim.

Speaking of criminals, the young Trumper charged with killing two protesters (both white BTW) was caught on video last month sucker punching a young woman. He is a hero on the right for allegedly murdering two people.

Just saw that video. Couldn’t believe it.

 

[RR7]

Speaking of criminals, the young Trumper charged with killing two protesters (both white BTW) was caught on video last month sucker punching a young woman. He is a hero on the right for allegedly murdering two people.

He was just training for a future police job. In both instances.