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[Orion Bailey]

Then why else did you create this thread? Was it for the veiled attacks and condescension? Or was it just to vent nonsense?

i answered that Already. Please reread it all and you shall find the answer to your question.
Thanks for also proving my point with this question.

 

[Orion Bailey]

The problem is, it's also been conditioned from the continual over the top reactions from the police, which is weirdly enough far more evident against POC than it is against non POC.

I think it's more that people want it to be consistent across the board.

and that, to me is the fatal flaw. Yes improved training and better candidates are absolutely needed. Ut to think there is one universal set of standards for cops to respond to any situation is ludicrous. Each situation is its own and merits its own evaluation aNd judgement of a situation.
Barfo brought up a comparison about being pulled over and reaching for a wallet.
I do not see how people think cops should have the same reaction in all situations when they are different.
Did Barfo have a warrarnt? Did he resist arrest and try to flee?


To me, we cannot pile all of these shootings in one barrel and say this is how cops should have reacted to all of them.
Each situation is different with its own set of threats and circumstances.

 

[Lanny]

Then why else did you create this thread? Was it for the veiled attacks and condescension? Or was it just to vent nonsense?

Even if you think someone is spewing nonsense it's counterproductive to give them that direct feedback. For feedback to be effective it must be acceptable. I'm not saying people don't spew nonsense I'm just saying you need to tone it down or you're just pouring gasoline on the fire. Does it work every time? I don't know, all I do know is it's a basic paradigm in psychology that feedback must be acceptable to the receiver else you're wasting your time giving the feedback. Note something positive in Orion Bailey's post then build on that before you level your toned down criticism.
Look at me, I can't even follow my own advice and here I am unabashedly giving it. However, I know I'm right in this even if it's really hard for me to do.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Why don't you research it? Not my job to tutor hostile men who have deliberately chosen to support racism and misogyny, especially since I doubt you're really interested.

what are you even talking about... I'm not being hostile at all. I'm asking you a question. You asserted this.

"Whenever a woman is raped, we hear questions about what she did, what she said, what she wore. Her past history is inspected for supposed bad behavior, even normal youth behavior. We don't hear what the rapist did or all about his past."

I am simply saying we do hear about the rapist (perp) and their past in this day and age.
I'm not saying it's right for a victim's past to get dragged up, I'm just telling you that when anything in this age of media is made public the lives of all that is involved are made public.

Your retort, to that is I'm hostile and supporting racism and misogyny because I ask you to prove that it's only the victim who's life story is made public when I don't see that, I see all the people involved having their life made public...

 

[Lanny]

what are you even talking about... I'm not being hostile at all. I'm asking you a question. You asserted this.

"Whenever a woman is raped, we hear questions about what she did, what she said, what she wore. Her past history is inspected for supposed bad behavior, even normal youth behavior. We don't hear what the rapist did or all about his past."

I am simply saying we do hear about the rapist (perp) and their past in this day and age.
I'm not saying it's right for a victim's past to get dragged up, I'm just telling you that when anything in this age of media is made public the lives of all that is involved are made public.

Your retort, to that is I'm hostile and supporting racism and misogyny because I ask you to prove that it's only the victim who's life story is made public when I don't see that, I see all the people involved having their life made public...

Excuse me for butting in but I'm going to assert that it's my experience that the woman's past is far more under the microscope than the man's behavior. That's because the woman is usually the plaintiff and the man is the defendant. The defendant's lawyer is given free reign to question all the intimate details of the plaintiff's past and perhaps too much leeway is given. A lot of women plaintiffs in rape cases are made to look like whores and that's just not right unless they are professional whores.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Excuse me for butting in but I'm going to assert that it's my experience that the woman's past is far more under the microscope than the man's behavior. That's because the woman is usually the plaintiff and the man is the defendant. The defendant's lawyer is given free reign to question all the intimate details of the plaintiff's past and perhaps too much leeway is given. A lot of women plaintiffs in rape cases are made to look like whores and that's just not right unless they are professional whores.

This is probably true, and I would agree it's bad. I feel like though in the last 5-10ish year's everything gets made public. Anytime there is some story that gets put into the public realm all of the parties involved have their life put out on display. I realize that for years it was very one-sided, but I don't think it's that one-sided anymore. It SHOULD definitely be one-sided that the person who committed the crime should be scrutinized not the victim, I think we'd all agree there, but currently, I feel like it's way more balanced then it used to be, something goes public and all of a sudden we know a lot about the people involved...

 

[Lanny]

This is probably true, and I would agree it's bad. I feel like though in the last 5-10ish year's everything gets made public. Anytime there is some story that gets put into the public realm all of the parties involved have their life put out on display. I realize that for years it was very one-sided, but I don't think it's that one-sided anymore. It SHOULD definitely be one-sided that the person who committed the crime should be scrutinized not the victim, I think we'd all agree there, but currently, I feel like it's way more balanced then it used to be, something goes public and all of a sudden we know a lot about the people involved...

Rape may be an exception. Statistics say that it doesn't get charged very often unless there was a rape. But we don't want an innocent person convicted nor do we want women heavily scrutinized that don't need heavy scrutiny. It is somewhat of a conundrum.
Let's put our collective massive brains together to work this out for the whole world to adhere to. We owe it to mankind.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

A screenshot of a Facebook post by Alabama Congressional candidate Barry Moore on Aug. 29, 2020. Moore later removed the post.

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