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JustBlaze

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What is your overall feeling towards our government? Do you feel that they do a good job and are fair to the citizens? Do you think they're arrogant genocidal pricks? Do we have enough freedom in this country as comapred to other nations? Is our government motivated by money and power or the well being of the American citizens? Do we interfere with the affairs of other nations which don't concern us too easily? Discuss.
 
Im pretty comfrotable on what we have going on. Neaither a fan of Bush or Kerry. I try to keep my nose of out politics and the government, kinda makes me sick to the stomachBut I will state...North Korea is underrated, were focused in all those middle east guys. You never know about North Korea. They could get their revenge. Because we helped out South Korea back then
 
<Censored> North Korea and Iran, they're not going to fire nuclear weapons at us or any of our allies, we need to stay away from situations like that. How about Congo? Millions of people die there every year but they don't give a <Censored>. Our government is responsible for genocide, it's sickening.Maybe the U.S. wouldn't have so many enemies if we didn't start with wars with nations that posed no threat to us just for the financial gain of a few government officials, and concentrated our resoruces on areas where people need help, like Africa and even areas in our own country. It's not our job to police the world and invade nations when they step out of line, we should be using our power for the good of humanity.I can understand a nation like Israel focusing much of it's effort and moneny into military causes, because other countries in the middle east have made it their goal to "wipe Israel off the map." They have to do this for their survival, they've had enemies there for thousands of years. The U.S. has or had no direct enemies, we've created this hatred towards us by starting unecessary wars which have cost millions of lives.I just think we should be dealing with the issues in our own nation before we go trying to deal with everyone else's problems.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>How about Congo? Millions of people die there every year but they don't give a <Censored>. Our government is responsible for genocide, it's sickening.</div>Thats when U2 and Bono come in handy :-)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the U.S. wouldn't have so many enemies if we didn't start with wars with nations that posed no threat to us just for the financial gain of a few government officials</div>That makes since. But look at Iraq, all those taliban groups. The US felt a threat from them. They bomed our towers. I think we had to get involved with them. If not I might not be posting right now
 
the whole reason they bombed our towers IS BECAUSE of what just blaze said earlier.WE got our noses into something WE shouldn't of. we went into other countries to help them out. we turned the tides of some stuff we shouldn't have. we should of just minded our own business and should of focused on ourselves.look, of course we went in with good intentions. but sometimes we shouldn't do anything.and i'm not saying that 9/11 was our fault. but if you look at the facts, are you surprised? really? it wasn't right what they did. it wasn't. they deserve to burn in hell for what they did. but it wasn't out of nowhere people. it wasn't out of nowhere.
 
These warzones where we are right now are just breeding grounds for more terrorists and anti-U.S. thinking, things aren't going to change soon.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lazy @ Mar 27 2006, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That makes since. But look at Iraq, all those taliban groups. The US felt a threat from them. They bomed our towers. I think we had to get involved with them. If not I might not be posting right now</div>I wouldn't go that far, but maybe Afghanistan was necessary. Regardless, there's no reason we should be in Iraq right now.
 
America has done some terrible things in the middle east but nothing to justify what the terrorists are doing. We support Israel for obvious reasons, we keep troops in Saudi Arabia because they are an 'ally' with us. But we could stop supporting Israel and stop doing what they hate us for and they would still attack us regardless. We are not a muslim country and we are the biggest kid on the block and to make us look bad needs no reason. If we did change they would attack us for what we did in the past, they would attack us for not being muslims, they would attack us for supporting their bad goverments...etc. We had to invade Afghanistan, any president would have. We needed to take the Taliban out.
 
I understand that we would still have Muslim extremists attacking us, but by doing what we're doing around the world we're just creating more people who hate America, and they're the ones joining these Muslin groups and terrorizing us.
 
Afghanistan was probably necessary as they were a legitimate threat, but Saddam was not going to do anything to us. Why would any of these nations launch weapons of mass destruction against the most powerful military in the world?
 
Afghanistan was no threat as a country, the people they let live there were.
 
Yes, I understand that. Regardless the regime that was in power supported and harbored terrorists so they had to be exterminated.
 
Most of the middleeast protects some extremsists in their countries.
 
Yes, well we can't fight them all. I just think the whole weapons of mass destruction thing is ridiculous. No one is going to use them against us, we're allied with all the major western powers and the nation who instigates a was with us will be obliterated.
 
Your too in general on 'the government', you need to say the office. The government isn't just the office. It is in every sigle state. My parents work for a branch of government, my mom for Minerals Manegement Servince and my dad for Rocky Flats(closed, but he does other stuff also).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBlaze @ Mar 27 2006, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I understand that we would still have Muslim extremists attacking us, but by doing what we're doing around the world we're just creating more people who hate America, and they're the ones joining these Muslin groups and terrorizing us.</div>Terrorizing us? Muslims haven't done <Censored>. Besides 9/11 that's bout it, America is the one terrorizing the crap out of the Iraqis in Iraq. People are always like "oh, look at all those americans dying in iraq", well no one has said "oh the americans are killing those innocent iraqis". most iraqis are scared as <Censored> back there. and muslims aren't all extremists, and it doesn't say in the Quran to bomb places or be evil to women. In the Quran it states to be kind to women and treat them better than us it self. All those BS cartoons making fun of our prophet is sickening. Take a look at what America has done to our reputation before you start saying we terrorize them for no reason. don't get me wrong I don't like the taliban, I'm a muslim but I was born and raised in America and I'm a U.S. citizen and I live in NY and I was in NY during 9/11 and I could've died but what people say about us just irritates me so much.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ Apr 1 2006, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Terrorizing us? Muslims haven't done <Censored>. Besides 9/11 that's bout it, America is the one terrorizing the crap out of the Iraqis in Iraq. People are always like "oh, look at all those americans dying in iraq", well no one has said "oh the americans are killing those innocent iraqis". most iraqis are scared as <Censored> back there. and muslims aren't all extremists, and it doesn't say in the Quran to bomb places or be evil to women. In the Quran it states to be kind to women and treat them better than us it self. All those BS cartoons making fun of our prophet is sickening. Take a look at what America has done to our reputation before you start saying we terrorize them for no reason. don't get me wrong I don't like the taliban, I'm a muslim but I was born and raised in America and I'm a U.S. citizen and I live in NY and I was in NY during 9/11 and I could've died but what people say about us just irritates me so much.</div> Yes, treat women well by keeping them covered and humiliated, keep them from getting an education and following their dreams, give them very little rights which is the case in many countries. I understand the religious differences and that we are different societies and that the Koran says that women are equal but it is not true. The Koran says that women are equal but Islam is being used to control women right now. I agree with you that terrorism is vastly overdone and overreported all over the world. Terrorism is used by western goverments to further kick open the door to the middleeast and to keep it's foot in the door to ensure our energy needs. Our media is racist and so are many Americans, every terrorist attack gets us all enraged and mad when we let gangs run the streets and kill innocents. A gang can kill 7 people one night but if a couple muslims bomb a half empty hotel in Saudi Arabia it becomes worldwide news. Why? I don't know. I think it could be the media and goverments using muslims far away and confusing religion to keep us dumb on the subject. We see a bunch of babbling extremeists blowing up a hotel and it pisses us off...but like I said...if a gang kills a bunch of people a few miles away we don't treat it as serious.
 
Muslims don't make women cover themself and not let them get a education. that's the taliban and Iraq and afghanistan besides that look around the world. india, bangladesh, pakistan and look at america. all my family all the women in my family have education went to college, and have jobs. so don't mix up muslims with that taliban trash because i don't even consider them muslims because they are the exact opposite of what muslims are or are supposed to be.
 
Alright, i guess I misunderstood my bad.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ Mar 31 2006, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Terrorizing us? Muslims haven't done <Censored>. Besides 9/11 that's bout it, America is the one terrorizing the crap out of the Iraqis in Iraq.</div>This is completely false. The terrorist organizations from the middle east, in specific Al-Queda have been the cause of many bombings on American targets. U.S. Embassies in Africa were bombed before 9/11, bombs were placed in the twin towers in 92 in an attempt to to blow them up, two American submarines off the coast of Bahrain or however it was spelt was attacked and destroyed before 9/11. 9/11 was the final straw, as thousands of innocent civilians died, because these Middle eastern terrorist organizations didn't like us. Since going into Iraq and Afghanistan no innocent american civilians in the states have been attacked though. Part of why the U.S. military is there, is because as long as these terrorists can fight with Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, they won't come to America and try to kill the innocent people in America.
 
I didn't really read through this thread, but my friend gave me the link to this video today, and I found it very, very interesting.Runtime is 1 hour and 21 minutes long, and it's giving arguments and evidence into the producer's belief that 9/11 was indeed staged.Here is the link: http://anonym.to/?http://video.google.com/...&q=loose+changeNow, before everybody starts jumping on me for this... in no way am I saying I agree or disagree with the things said in the video. I just found it very, very interesting, and it is probably the best one I've seen.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Apr 1 2006, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is completely false. The terrorist organizations from the middle east, in specific Al-Queda have been the cause of many bombings on American targets. U.S. Embassies in Africa were bombed before 9/11, bombs were placed in the twin towers in 92 in an attempt to to blow them up, two American submarines off the coast of Bahrain or however it was spelt was attacked and destroyed before 9/11. 9/11 was the final straw, as thousands of innocent civilians died, because these Middle eastern terrorist organizations didn't like us. Since going into Iraq and Afghanistan no innocent american civilians in the states have been attacked though. Part of why the U.S. military is there, is because as long as these terrorists can fight with Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, they won't come to America and try to kill the innocent people in America.</div> That's completly false. Al-Qaeda has cells everywhere and have attacked London and various other places while we have been in Iraq. The people fighting us in Iraq are a majority low level fighters, the terrorists that wait here and that attacked us on 9/11 are the upper level members who are trusted and much more educated then the terrorists getting killed in Iraq. Major Al-Qaeda attacks take many years to be planned, 9/11 took 5 years, these people are patient and you have to think something is currently in the works here right now. Why do you think we have caught Al-Qaeda cells here? They ARE HERE.
 
They are here, which is why I don't understand why people don't like the Patriot Act. As long as they use their powers accordingly, it seems like a great idea.I like the War in Iraq, whether they had WMDs or not (which is debatable), and think that this is only the beginning of our new foreign policy plan. After 9/11, I really don't feel like take crap from anyone. Al-Queda is worldwide, but they have plently of recruitment and training camps in the Middle East. We have shut down many terrorists cells and camps since 9/11 in the Middle East. To me, that is being successful.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Apr 1 2006, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's completly false. Al-Qaeda has cells everywhere and have attacked London and various other places while we have been in Iraq. The people fighting us in Iraq are a majority low level fighters, the terrorists that wait here and that attacked us on 9/11 are the upper level members who are trusted and much more educated then the terrorists getting killed in Iraq. Major Al-Qaeda attacks take many years to be planned, 9/11 took 5 years, these people are patient and you have to think something is currently in the works here right now. Why do you think we have caught Al-Qaeda cells here? They ARE HERE.</div>If you would read carefully, i said that there have been no American civilian targets attacked since we went into Iraq. I said nothing about British targets, and to be honost I could care less if London gets attacked, but no American civilian targets have been hit since then.
 
What's the difference? It proves they can attack and have people in place when a country is involved in the Iraq war. Just because they havn't attacked us since makes no difference.
 
You said it was completely false, when i said that there has not been an attack on American civilian targets since we went into Iraq and Afghanistan. Then you proceeded to say that London had been terrorist attacked, which is not part of the U.S. last time i checked. That's the difference. America has been getting to these terrorist cells in the U.S. before they can attack any other American civilian targets. The FBI is tracking those terrorists cells, and getting to them. The terrorists in the middle east are staying in the middle east, because there is American military to fight with there. The fact is that this country is safer now than it was before 9/11, even with us in Iraq right now. People don't like the patriot act, and the eavesdropping Bush has allowed to happen, but it is helping the U.S. battle terrorism by finding the terrorists in the states.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Apr 2 2006, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You said it was completely false, when i said that there has not been an attack on American civilian targets since we went into Iraq and Afghanistan. Then you proceeded to say that London had been terrorist attacked, which is not part of the U.S. last time i checked. That's the difference. America has been getting to these terrorist cells in the U.S. before they can attack any other American civilian targets. The FBI is tracking those terrorists cells, and getting to them. The terrorists in the middle east are staying in the middle east, because there is American military to fight with there. The fact is that this country is safer now than it was before 9/11, even with us in Iraq right now. People don't like the patriot act, and the eavesdropping Bush has allowed to happen, but it is helping the U.S. battle terrorism by finding the terrorists in the states.</div> I meant the entire post you wrote was false. Yes their have been no attacks in America since 9/11 and Iraq but that means nothing. We went from 1992 - 2001 without anything happening. Saying because of Iraq terrorists won't come here to kill Americans is completly wrong. London and Madrid are examples of things that can easily happen here. Great Britan is in Iraq and Al-Qaeda had terrorist attacks there which proves what you said wrong. They can be attacking us in Iraq and attacking the west as well.
 
Alrite, so if terrorists who call themselves "Muslims" are Islamic extremists, why can't people call Bush a Christian terrorist or Arial Sharon a Jewish terrorist?
 
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