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They are determined and so are we, but we have more money and resources than they do.It's our will against ours and we just have to believe that we will win. It doesn't matter if they aren't going away, they are wrong and we are right. We have to stand up and stop them, even if it takes 5-10 years (which is probably will). We're in this mess and we have to get out of it.
 
I think they are alright. I have got to say though, they are selfish pussys that only care about votes and money. I am getting pretty mad at these guys, democrats and republicans. I am getting sick of this "politically correct" crap. These people are coming over our boarders and acting like they own America and our government is acting like they got rights, like it is ok they are here. I mean, there is a reason they are called illegal aliens. I know I am going off topic a little, but I am just using that as an example. Truman was really the only guy that had guts. I bet if we had any other president we wouldn't have dropped the A-Bomb on Japan. And at the time, Japan would have dropped it on us if they could've.
 
Talking about illegal immigrants isn't off topic, it has to do with the government so it's right on topic. I also think we're being too leniant there.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 3 2006, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think they are alright. I have got to say though, they are selfish pussys that only care about votes and money. I am getting pretty mad at these guys, democrats and republicans. I am getting sick of this "politically correct" crap. These people are coming over our boarders and acting like they own America and our government is acting like they got rights, like it is ok they are here. I mean, there is a reason they are called illegal aliens. I know I am going off topic a little, but I am just using that as an example. Truman was really the only guy that had guts. I bet if we had any other president we wouldn't have dropped the A-Bomb on Japan. And at the time, Japan would have dropped it on us if they could've.</div> Whoa, okay....
 
Since when was Japan working on nuclear weapons in the 40's?
 
We didn't know if they had them at the time. Now we know they didn't, but couldn't have known. If Japan had the bombs, they wouldn't have thought twice about dropping it on us. Also, in the long run, it was suppose to save more lives by dropping the bomb. It also showed Russia we weren't affraid to drop it, because Stalin wasn't a guy that was affraid of hurting people and they had the bomb aswell.I mean, you have to remember, Japan had one of the best armies of the time. Why couldn't they have a A-Bomb? We didn't know they didn't untill the war was over.
 
I think they would have thought twice about dropping a bomb on us and waging war with the entire western world.
 
Japan wasn't to worried about death or fighting anyone. They had said, "We will fight to the last man, woman, and child." Which was another reason we dropped the bomb, they weren't affraid do fight unitll the last one. Their religion taught them that they were not to surrender. They had to kill themselves before they did so. When we were fighting them on the islands, they would hide in the caves. We would use our flame throwers to destroy the oxygen in the caves so that the Japanese would give up and come out. They killed themselves, none of them came out. When we were fighting them during the naval battles, they sent their pilots with TNT at us on a suicide missions to blow up our ships. When the war ended, they still had 2,000 people lined up to run those missions. The thing is they didn't have to do those missions, you volunteered to run those.If fighting the west ment not giving up, they would have done so.
 
Yes, but that doesn't mean they're going to commit suicide by forcing all the Allied nations to retalliate for dropping an atom bomb on the U.S. They still would have done what made sense strategically, and if they had done that to us then they would have almost certainly been obliterated in return.
 
True, but they lost anyways didn't they? If the A-Bomb wasn't dropped on them, and them knowing the end of their country as they knew it was near, and as their religion tought them not to surrender (they considered those people scum) who knows what they would have done to survive. Keep in mind, Stalin was still in power at the time, Italy had just overthrown Mussolini and we starting over, France just got their country back, and England was hurting from the battle with Germany (if it wasn't for their radar, they wouldn't have made it). The West was hurting, and not all countries got involved in the war anyways, why would they now? It is hard to tell. Countries that were in the war are hurting, other countries just got their independence back, and some didn't want to be involved with the war. If Japan had dropped the bomb on us, they wasn't a whole lot for them to have to fight back. Remember, after the War Russia wasn't to happy with us, who knows, what if Russia (not saying they would of) decided to join Japan. I mean, Stalin was mad at the US for keeping secrets from him. Roosevelt and Churchill had become good friends, and Stalin wasn't a trustworthy guy anyways. Why wouldn't he join Japan (he did have an alliance with Germany and not untill Hitler broke that, did Stalin invade Germany). I mean, there is a lot of "If" and "Buts" about WW2. A lot of that war didn't make since, who really knows what might have happend.
 
Yes the European nations were not at full strength, but that doesn't mean that once Japan nuked us it would have been a walk in the park to conquer the world. We would have nuked them right back, and if we just played defensively then they really wouldn't have stood much chance. They had to cross the Pacific just to reach us, we could have just held our ground and fought them off while the other Aliied nations recooperated, and then it would have been over for Japan.
 
Yeah, I am not saying it would have been easy, or that they would have even won. But I am saying I think they weren't affraid to do so. Besides, what if Russia had helped Japan after Japan decided to nuke us?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ May 3 2006, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So I think we can all agree that the government sucks.</div>I think what BALLA posted sums that up right here:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>can you imagine working for a companythat has a little more than 500 employees and hasthe following statistics:* 29 have been accused of spousal abuse* 7 have been arrested for fraud* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks* 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted atleast 2 businesses* 3 have done time for assault* 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting* 21 are currently defendants in lawsuits* 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in thelast year...It's the 535 members of the United States Congress.The same groupthat crank out hundreds of new laws each yeardesigned to keep the rest of us in line.</div>That is pretty retarded if you ask me. We are having these guys decide what is best for us and acting like we are stupid? Our government is the best out there, don't get me wrong, I would rather live in USA then anywhere else. But I don't think our government is perfect, or even that great.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 3 2006, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think what BALLA posted sums that up right here:That is pretty retarded if you ask me. We are having these guys decide what is best for us and acting like we are stupid? Our government is the best out there, don't get me wrong, I would rather live in USA then anywhere else. But I don't think our government is perfect, or even that great.</div>How is it the best out there? I would rather live here than anywhere else because of the people and the environment, but out government is very intrusive and out of control.
 
Best out there, what I mean is out of the other countries. What government do you think is better?
 
Most European governments, they have the same privileges as us and more freedom.
 
Why would you even say that America has the best goverment when you don't know anything about other goverments.
 
People like to say that we live in the country in the world and how much we should value our freedom, but they obviously haven't experienced life in other nations. I do think this is the best country in the world, but that has nothing to do with our government, they're the main problem I have with living here.
 
We do not have a perfect government and believe me we make mistakes. But the bottom line is-- our government cannot take away my freedom to achieve and be all that I (no one else) decide I can be or achieve. It is freedom. No other country has it like the United States. England is a socialist country so the government has a hand in things that can stifle that freedom. Communist countries aren't even in this conversation if we talk about freedom. In this country I can vote and even run for office. But think about this, if the liberals would get into office our government would then change this country. We would no longer be the America you know.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>England is a socialist country so the government has a hand in things that can stifle that freedom.</div>Care to elaborate on that statement?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 3 2006, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We do not have a perfect government and believe me we make mistakes. But the bottom line is-- our government cannot take away my freedom to achieve and be all that I (no one else) decide I can be or achieve. It is freedom. No other country has it like the United States. England is a socialist country so the government has a hand in things that can stifle that freedom. Communist countries aren't even in this conversation if we talk about freedom. In this country I can vote and even run for office. But think about this, if the liberals would get into office our government would then change this country. We would no longer be the America you know.</div> Australia is just as free as America.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Care to elaborate on that statement?</div>There government possess political power and alot of production and how things are given out. This limits the guy that wants to start his own business and take it as far as he can. There gov. can limit that. Henry Ford was just a guy that had an idea and built a car. Look where that is today.EDIT: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Australia is just as free as America.</div>True. To be honest, I don't know enough about them to debate or argue anything really though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 3 2006, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There government possess political power and alot of production and how things are given out. This limits the guy that wants to start his own business and take it as far as he can. There gov. can limit that. Henry Ford was just a guy that had an idea and built a car. Look where that is today.</div>I don't agree with that all. Are you saying enterpreneurs can't exist in England?
 
I am not saying that. I am saying they are limited in how far they can take their business. The government controls production and distirbution in that country. They can, but Henry Ford would not have lasted there like he did here.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 3 2006, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am not saying that. I am saying they are limited in how far they can take their business. The government controls production and distirbution in that country. They can, but Henry Ford would not have lasted there like he did here.</div>That's not really true. Regardless, if you want to say that about England, then what's wrong with other countries such as Australia, Belgium, Spain, etc.?
 
Well, I am not going to list every country and explain what I think about their governments. And I must admit, I don't know a whole lot on this subject matter. I first entered this debate to vent about our government, I am pretty pissed at it right now. So, I don't have a lot to back up a debate with you.I am just going to say that whatever you have, you will allways find something else that looks better. Other countries are saying the same thing about our government, how they hate theirs and ours is better. It just depends on what side of the fence you are on.I have to say, you win this one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know a whole lot on this subject matter.</div> Yeah..it showed.
 
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