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Natebishop3 said:
She said that there is plenty to like about Hillary, and I find that completely ridiculous. The only reason why she'll win this thing is because Trump is literally the worst presidential candidate in the history of American elections. It's a victory by default, so let's not pretend like she's actually a decent candidate.

There are some women who are only voting for her because she's a woman and they want to see the first woman president. They don't care who it is. They don't care what that person has done. I'm 100% fine with having a woman president, and I think there are actually a few really decent candidates out there, but Hillary is not one of them. She is evil.
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No, she's not evil. That's silly. She's a politician. If you think politicians are evil, then every president we've ever had has been evil.

She has broken the law. She has no qualms with selling her soul to the banks and to Wall Street. She is not our friend. We will be worse off as a country by the time she leaves office.
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Well, luckily we'll have a chance to find out, and we'll meet back here in 4 years and find out if you were right about that.

Bill gave us NAFTA, which has completely fucked over the middle class.

Hillary will give us the TPP, which will further fuck us over.
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Most economists strongly disagree with you.

If you want to vote for Hillary because you hate Trump, go for it, but let's not pretend like Hillary is a good person or a good politician.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Mine is that she's a fairly lousy campaigner, and a pretty effective politician in office.

barfo
 
did something change?
She said TPP is the gold standard, then during one of the debates between her and Trump she said.
"I said I hoped TPP would be the "Gold standard", but when I researched more about it wasn't. So I don't support it."
Which even the fact checkers who have shown to have an agenda to be pro-Clinton said was a lie. That she indeed say it was the "Gold standard".

Effective politician in office huh.
I wonder if the dead people on her watch due to ineptitude would say the same.
 
honkicracker said:
did something change?
She said TPP is the gold standard, then during one of the debates between her and Trump she said.
"I said I hoped TPP would be the "Gold standard", but when I researched more about it wasn't. So I don't support it."
Which even the fact checkers who have shown to have an agenda to be pro-Clinton said was a lie. That she indeed say it was the "Gold standard".
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Yes, that was a lie. She changed her position for political purposes (namely, trade agreements have become the political bogeyman this year, so one can't be for them). I suspect/hope that she actually thinks TPP is a good agreement.

I could point to similar flip-flops by pretty much every other person who has successfully run for president. Being a politician isn't some amazing new form of criminal behavior.

Effective politician in office huh.
I wonder if the dead people on her watch due to ineptitude would say the same.
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If she had any personal culpability for those, I'm sure the 9 investigations would have turned that up.
Do you blame Reagan and his secretary of state for Beirut, where hundreds of people died?
The world is an unsafe place, expecting to never lose anyone overseas is a fantasy.
Obviously things could have been done better, in hindsight - but you can say that about any of hundreds of fuckups by every administration.

barfo
 
barfo said:
No, she's not evil. That's silly. She's a politician. If you think politicians are evil, then every president we've ever had has been evil
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Um, every president has been more of a piece of shit than the last except for the few that did right and got shot for it.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
Um, every president has been more of a piece of shit than the last except for the few that did right and got shot for it.
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History disagrees with your assessment. We've had better and worse presidents throughout our history, it is not a monotonic function.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yes, that was a lie. She changed her position for political purposes (namely, trade agreements have become the political bogeyman this year, so one can't be for them). I suspect/hope that she actually thinks TPP is a good agreement.

I could point to similar flip-flops by pretty much every other person who has successfully run for president. Being a politician isn't some amazing new form of criminal behavior.



If she had any personal culpability for those, I'm sure the 9 investigations would have turned that up.
Do you blame Reagan and his secretary of state for Beirut, where hundreds of people died?
The world is an unsafe place, expecting to never lose anyone overseas is a fantasy.
Obviously things could have been done better, in hindsight - but you can say that about any of hundreds of fuckups by every administration.

barfo
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Well, I was a small child when Beirut happened.... so I didn't blame anyone in particular for anything. Well, that's not true.... maybe Reagan was responsible for my Batman action figure disappearing in a pool in Kauai.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Stop pretending that there's anything that you like about Hillary other than the fact that she's a woman. If she was an old, fat, straight white guy, you would hate him as much as the rest of us.
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Some time ago someone, I forget who, started a thread, without mentioning Trump can you say why you are supporting Clinton? I gave a pretty detailed answer. I did not support Fiorina or Bachmann who are just as female because of fundamental disagreements with them. I have some disagreements with Clinton but I consider her the best qualified and we have numerous points of agreement:

Equal pay
Reproductive choice
Marriage equality and opposition to employment discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity/expression
Support for public education
Embraces the diversity of the country and sees it as a strength
Support for animal welfare
Wanting to improve health care, not just say you're on your own
Supports strengthening social security
Immigration reform
Action on global warming and environment generally
Oppose attacks on voting rights

She's too hawkish for me but at least she does know foreign policy and does not call Putin a great leader.
She has shown she can maintain her composure in difficult situations.
She has shown wide ranging knowledge of issues, so even when I disagree at least I know she's in the fact based world.

I don't know who "the rest of us" are, Natebishop3. The fact is the overwhelming probability is that a very large majority of voters will vote for Hillary Clinton. Some with enthusiasm, some with concern, some as "lesser evil". Regardless, the vote counts the same.

Will "the rest of you" accept the election results?
 
crandc said:
Some time ago someone, I forget who, started a thread, without mentioning Trump can you say why you are supporting Clinton? I gave a pretty detailed answer. I did not support Fiorina or Bachmann who are just as female because of fundamental disagreements with them. I have some disagreements with Clinton but I consider her the best qualified and we have numerous points of agreement:

Equal pay
Reproductive choice
Marriage equality and opposition to employment discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity/expression
Support for public education
Embraces the diversity of the country and sees it as a strength
Support for animal welfare
Wanting to improve health care, not just say you're on your own
Supports strengthening social security
Immigration reform
Action on global warming and environment generally
Oppose attacks on voting rights

She's too hawkish for me but at least she does know foreign policy and does not call Putin a great leader.
She has shown she can maintain her composure in difficult situations.
She has shown wide ranging knowledge of issues, so even when I disagree at least I know she's in the fact based world.

I don't know who "the rest of us" are, Natebishop3. The fact is the overwhelming probability is that a very large majority of voters will vote for Hillary Clinton. Some with enthusiasm, some with concern, some as "lesser evil". Regardless, the vote counts the same.

Will "the rest of you" accept the election results?
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You could have just said "she's a Democrat."

"Oppose attacks on voting rights" LOL yup.... Hillary is ALL ABOUT voting rights, considering she and the DNC essentially rigged the primary.

Marriage equality..... interesting..... http://gawker.com/remember-when-hillary-clinton-was-against-gay-marriage-1714147439
 
barfo said:
Yes, that was a lie. She changed her position for political purposes (namely, trade agreements have become the political bogeyman this year, so one can't be for them). I suspect/hope that she actually thinks TPP is a good agreement.

I could point to similar flip-flops by pretty much every other person who has successfully run for president. Being a politician isn't some amazing new form of criminal behavior.



If she had any personal culpability for those, I'm sure the 9 investigations would have turned that up.
Do you blame Reagan and his secretary of state for Beirut, where hundreds of people died?
The world is an unsafe place, expecting to never lose anyone overseas is a fantasy.
Obviously things could have been done better, in hindsight - but you can say that about any of hundreds of fuckups by every administration.

barfo
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riverman said:
There are dead people on every president's watch in American history
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Flip-Flopping on nearly everything she says is why it's impossible to trust Hillary. This and many things is why whenever she talks I see someone lying.
Simply because her explanations or lack there of is why people don't trust her. She changes position and hopes people will forget her old position.

Someone was racist to me therefore it's okay if I'm racist to someone else. ~ No.

Just because there have been many people who have died over other presidents or on someones watch does not mean it should be glossed over and ignored. Like many many people who are pro-Hillary seem to do. Blame someone else and want you to forget about Hillary's blunders.
I for one will not forget what Trump has said. Nor will I forget what Hillary has done due to her lack of interest, or what she has said.
But hey I'm uneducated and live in my mothers basement according to Hillary.
 
honkicracker said:
Just because there have been many people who have died over other presidents or on someones watch does not mean it should be glossed over and ignored.
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No one is ignoring Benghazi. We've been talking about it for 4 years now. How many years is enough? 20? 100? 10,000?

But hey I'm uneducated and live in my mothers basement according to Hillary.
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As long as you aren't a 400 lb hacker on a bed.

barfo
 
barfo said:
No one is ignoring Benghazi. We've been talking about it for 4 years now. How many years is enough? 20? 100? 10,000?
barfo
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But everyone conveniently ignores the 13 embassy/consulate attacks and 60 servicemembers who died on Bush's watch.
 
http://nypost.com/2016/10/19/hillary-clintons-security-detail-laughed-when-she-broke-her-elbow/

Hillary Clinton’s security detail hated her so much that they privately snickered after she accidentally fell and broke her arm when she was secretary of state in 2009, one of her former guards told the Post.

Clinton, then 61, was in the State Department basement on her way to meet President Obama when she took a spill — and ended up in the hospital for an operation to repair her shattered right elbow.

“We sort of got the last laugh. It was kind of like payback: You’re treating us like s–t. Hey karma is a bitch! We were smiling to ourselves,” the agent told The Post on Wednesday.

But Clinton, who frequently behaved like a diva-in-chief, according to the agent, made it worse by pointing the finger at her detail for the mishap.

“She blamed us for breaking her elbow, saying it was our fault and we could have prevented that. She’s bad news,” the agent said.

The agent’s account backed up FBI documents released this week that showed Clinton’s protective detail despised her for treating them with contempt.
 
Oh gosh. A scandal sheet found someone who did not like Hillary Clinton. Gee.

I better go vote for Trump, then. Because.
 
crandc said:
Oh gosh. A scandal sheet found someone who did not like Hillary Clinton. Gee.

I better go vote for Trump, then. Because.
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This is what she's like in real life to real people.

I know firsthand that she is like this in person.
 
dviss1 said:
But everyone conveniently ignores the 13 embassy/consulate attacks and 60 servicemembers who died on Bush's watch.
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That is completely different and you know it. We didn't have a Secretary of State come back and blame the attack on some video when we know damn well she was hiding her incompetence at handling the situation (ignoring countless requests for increased security).

'the fuck outta here..
 
Denny Crane said:
This is what she's like in real life to real people.

I know firsthand that she is like this in person.
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So you've gone from claiming you know people who know Clinton, to claiming you know Clinton?

Tell us about your firsthand experience with Hillary, then.

barfo
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
He's uninformed and unfit.
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not one 3rd party candidate came into the election thinking getting elected was a remote possibility until the first debate so they campaigned to get some exposure for their ideas and Johnson's focus is domestic infrastructure, not foreign policy but he's a civil enough guy to prepare for those issues. One of the things I like about him is his willingness to challenge the status quo....and honestly, I had to look up Aleppo on the internet when it first became a news item..yet I know quite a bit of world geography. Johnson wants Syria to deal with Syria....so do I. He wants to disband the IRS...eliminate income tax and change the way we do business....yet he never probably considered his party had a shot at winning from the start. I don't want a president that thinks they know everything...I want a low key president that hires the best cabinet in the country and listens to his or her advisors.
 
barfo said:
So you've gone from claiming you know people who know Clinton, to claiming you know Clinton?

Tell us about your firsthand experience with Hillary, then.

barfo
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Firsthand - she did something really awful and deliberate to someone I know.
 
Denny Crane said:
Firsthand - she did something really awful and deliberate to someone I know.
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Grabbed their pussy, maybe?

You might want to look up "firsthand". What you have is secondhand. Unless of course you witnessed it.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Grabbed their pussy, maybe?

You might want to look up "firsthand". What you have is secondhand. Unless of course you witnessed it.

barfo
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Secondhand would be the secret service agents who were mistreated by the crook.
 
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