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Motherfucker is raising them again. Welp, guess next week my job is to implement a new round of Trump Tax on my customers.

Normally I spend this time preparing for Christmas season.
 
History has shown trade wars increase the risk of real war. Taxing imports and exports does not always ends well.

Most notable, our revolutionary war. High tariffs lead to the Boston tea party. Rather than compromising on a workable solution, the high tariffs resulted in a real war.

Remembered by few, the USA tariff act of 1930 was very similar to Trumps tariffs. The tariffs were meant to increase and protect USA jobs. As the other countries retaliated, tensions escalated. The tariff wars continued for years. These tariffs are considered the kindling that feed the flames that lead to world war 2.

Of course there were other factors that caused these 2 wars. But tariff wars do not promote world peace. Just the opposite, by increasing the tension between countries.
 
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MARIS61 said:
As an actual customer of your company I can attest to your product’s high quality.

I am a tad peeved to learn that my money was used to continue the Chinese forced-slave-labor industry. I thought you were more “woke” than that.

In addition to the daily suffering of millions of slaves, consider the total lack of environmental protections and health/safety regulations that account for the difference in cost to you compared to manufacturing in the US. The hypocrisy is alarming.

If I had a tiny violin I would play it for you.

Maybe it’s not Trump hurting your bottom line? Maybe it’s karma?
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Just wondering where it is you think the computer/phone you are using was made?
 
oldfisherman said:
History has shown trade wars increase the risk of real war. Taxing imports and exports does not always ends well.

Most notable, our revolutionary war. High tariffs lead to the Boston tea party. Rather than compromising on a workable solution, the high tariffs resulted in a real war.

Remembered by few, the USA tariff act of 1930 was very similar to Trumps tariffs. The tariffs were meant to increase and protect USA jobs. As the other countries retaliated, tensions escalated. The tariff wars continued for years. These tariffs are considered the kindling that feed the flames that lead to world war 2.

Of course there were other factors that caused these 2 wars. But tariff wars do not promote world peace. Just the opposite, by increasing the tension between countries.
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Good points. Embargoes and tariffs tend to cause bad things. Japan attacked the US as a retaliation to the oil embargo that FDR/Government had implemented on them. They felt they had no other choice, realistically.

These tariffs will make someone money...I wonder who....
 
CupWizier said:
Or his trump hat and trump tie was made. :biglaugh:
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Here's the thing though, it's not like he didn't know that the stuff mook was selling was made in China. It's 2019...acting like stuff should only be made here is part of the act that MAGA people put on.

He's just trying to point out that mook isn't "woke" (pointing out how he's a "hypocrite"), as an attempt to further his character/entertain himself. As in, he's going full Stephen Colbert in the Colbert Report.

He knows his computer/phone/most of his electronics were made by slave labor/in China. But he'll claim he only buys American Made stuff (so, electronics from 30-40 years ago), as if that is what he's using to view this website.

At least Stephen Colbert broke character once in a while, and admitted it was shtick.
 
Both China and the US will come up with a compromised deal and chances are it will be better than we ever have had with China.
Its in the best interest of both nations to settle and they know it.
 
Trump totally does not understand diplomacy. If he advocated economic designated low tax, trade tariff free zones instead of a Mexican wall, the factory alternatives would be more feasible for US manufacturing. I foresee the Mexican peasants having a chance close at home. Instead of shipping over wide stretches of ocean,established Tex/Mexican factories could use the trucker unions where plenty of opportunities could develop for the trucking industry.
 
Hoopguru said:
Both China and the US will come up with a compromised deal and chances are it will be better than we ever have had with China.
Its in the best interest of both nations to settle and they know it.
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The problem with US Economics and trade is we all want it instantly, we want the results in Wall street Yesterday, we want jobs yesterday, the first sign of an economic down turn and people lose their minds. The reason why we wont win a trade war or any other kind of economic squabble with China is they play the long game. They’re leadership doesn't care if they’re losing jobs today, or every day for the next six months, they don't care if it hurts them in the short term. They figure they’ll wait us out, another year Trump will probably be gone anyways, even another 5 years, they’ll be fine. The leadership will be at least.

They've been around for thousands of years, they figure they’ll be around for thousands more and the US will probably implode long before then.

Im not saying Im for the tariff’s, I am saying if we ever want to stand up to China, in the slightest well its gonna hurt and its going to be long and painful, and I don't think US voters are willing to deal with short term repercussions of doing so.

I absolutely do believe China is a real problem for US economics and even world economics. The US should have gone to their allies, and came up with a plan together to strike at least some fear into China, and at least not piss off US Allies in the process.

I dont want Chinese people out of Jobs, anymore or less than I want that in the US. I do believe though, that the IP theft, terrible work environments, waste, etc in China is something the US and its allies should hold them accountable for.
 
As long as anti-Americans like @SlyPokerDog freely choose to unfairly profit from the deaths and suffering of slaves it will indeed be difficult for decent people who oppose slavery to keep profiteers from exploiting them.

Trump's policies encouraging/forcing companies such as Mook's and Nike and Amazon and Google and Apple and Microsoft and WalMart... to stop supporting today's China slavery market which is on a scale larger than all previous slavery in the history of the world combined is the most moral move any US President has ever taken against slavery.

To oppose it is morally vile and indefensible by any humane standard.

Many products have always been Made in America, or in many of the other approximately 150+ countries that do not keep slaves, and more are coming back every day thanks to POTUS Trump. The American entrepreneurs are being unleashed from regressive regs, jobs are reappearing and Americans are re-investing in their own country again, withdrawing the left's financial support for slavery around the world.

Slavery today:
https://borgenproject.org/countries-that-still-have-slavery/
 
As long as anti-Americans like @SlyPokerDog freely choose to unfairly profit from the deaths and suffering of slaves it will indeed be difficult for decent people who oppose slavery to keep profiteers from exploiting them.

Trump's policies encouraging/forcing companies such as Mook's and Nike and Amazon and Google and Apple and Microsoft and WalMart... to stop supporting today's China slavery market which is on a scale larger than all previous slavery in the history of the world combined is the most moral move any US President has ever taken against slavery.

To oppose it is morally vile and indefensible by any humane standard.

Many products have always been Made in America, or in many of the other approximately 150+ countries that do not keep slaves, and more are coming back every day thanks to POTUS Trump. The American entrepreneurs are being unleashed from regressive regs, jobs are reappearing and Americans are re-investing in their own country again, withdrawing the left's financial support for slavery around the world.

Slavery today:
https://borgenproject.org/countries-that-still-have-slavery/
 
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MARIS61 said:
As long as anti-Americans like @SlyPokerDog freely choose to unfairly profit from the deaths and suffering of slaves it will indeed be difficult for decent people who oppose slavery to keep profiteers from exploiting them.

Trump's policies encouraging/forcing companies such as Mook's and Nike and Amazon and Google and Apple and Microsoft and WalMart... to stop supporting today's China slavery market which is on a scale larger than all previous slavery in the history of the world combined is the most moral move any US President has ever taken against slavery.

To oppose it is morally vile and indefensible by any humane standard.

Many products have always been Made in America, or in many of the other approximately 150+ countries that do not keep slaves, and more are coming back every day thanks to POTUS Trump. The American entrepreneurs are being unleashed from regressive regs, jobs are reappearing and Americans are re-investing in their own country again, withdrawing the left's financial support for slavery around the world.

Slavery today:
https://borgenproject.org/countries-that-still-have-slavery/
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That is fucking bullshit. Attacking an American citizen and claiming they are anti American is taken right out of the loser trumps play book. Do people really like you or are you to big of a coward to say these things to in real life or do you just do this hiding behind a phony moniker in an anonymous forum? You are a coward that hides behind the ugliness of trump.

DON'T FUCKING EDIT MY POST WHEN YOU HAVE A GUY LIKE MARIS MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS CALLING A POSTER AN ANTI AMERICAN. DELETE HIS BULLSHIT. :bgrin::bgrin::bgrin::bgrin:
 
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The problem with US Economics and trade is we all want it instantly, we want the results in Wall street Yesterday, we want jobs yesterday, the first sign of an economic down turn and people lose their minds. The reason why we wont win a trade war or any other kind of economic squabble with China is they play the long game. They’re leadership doesn't care if they’re losing jobs today, or every day for the next six months, they don't care if it hurts them in the short term. They figure they’ll wait us out, another year Trump will probably be gone anyways, even another 5 years, they’ll be fine. The leadership will be at least.

They've been around for thousands of years, they figure they’ll be around for thousands more and the US will probably implode long before then.

Im not saying Im for the tariff’s, I am saying if we ever want to stand up to China, in the slightest well its gonna hurt and its going to be long and painful, and I don't think US voters are willing to deal with short term repercussions of doing so.

I absolutely do believe China is a real problem for US economics and even world economics. The US should have gone to their allies, and came up with a plan together to strike at least some fear into China, and at least not piss off US Allies in the process.

I dont want Chinese people out of Jobs, anymore or less than I want that in the US. I do believe though, that the IP theft, terrible work environments, waste, etc in China is something the US and its allies should hold them accountable for.
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Good points. The company I retired from had several plants in China and still do. Cost of Mfg wasn't the only incentive, location to serve the Asian market is also. China sets all the regulations and in some cases only allow joint ventures with them, a way for them to acquire certain technologies for copying.
China isn't the only country in that region that entices manufacturing at a low cost. So there are options that could be even better than China.
It has gotten to the point with my old company by the time you pay the freight and cost for logistics here its close to a push versus building here.
Rather than the USA simply being an information State, If we can build up industrial manufacturing here also and treat manufacturers as positive important parts of the American economy, its going to excite the field of more opportunity and progress.
I remember attending a Kubota distributors meeting 30 years ago and the Kubota executive addressing the group commented that it was not in the master plan to move manufacturing from Mother Japan to the USA but it was going to happen as the playing filed was leveled. They no longer could sell a Lexis at a Chevy price because of the yen/dollar ratio.
So having level playing fields does help in the long run but you are so right in that most Americans are used to instant gratification.
 
riverman said:
This is one of the worst personal insults you've ever posted....you should get banned for it.
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Please explain how this is an insult?

There is no disputing that it is simply a fact. He freely admits he uses China's slave-labor market to produce his products cheaper for the singular purpose of profiting personally, and this profit is derived from their suffering and deaths.

Pointing out hypocrisy and naming the world's slave-owners and those who enable them is hardly a personal insult.
 
MARIS61 said:
Please explain how this is an insult?

There is no disputing that it is simply a fact. He freely admits he uses China's slave-labor market to produce his products cheaper for the singular purpose of profiting personally, and this profit is derived from their suffering and deaths.

Pointing out hypocrisy and naming the world's slave-owners and those who enable them is hardly a personal insult.
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MARIS61 said:
Please explain how this is an insult?

There is no disputing that it is simply a fact. He freely admits he uses China's slave-labor market to produce his products cheaper for the singular purpose of profiting personally, and this profit is derived from their suffering and deaths.

Pointing out hypocrisy and naming the world's slave-owners and those who enable them is hardly a personal insult.
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You cannot call someone anti-American for that. I buy Chinese produced products as well.
 
tlongII said:
You cannot call someone anti-American for that. I buy Chinese produced products as well.
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you're now calling the dates you buy while visiting Vietnam "products"?
 
Don;t you have a sailboat you need to go park in the mud again? :biglaugh:
 
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MarAzul said:
Baloney! I do not know why it was even edited.
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I'm guessing because it's pretty pompous for Maris to talk shit about people buying stuff sold by the poster, that are made in China...while he's typing on a computer that was made in China (or at best, had parts that were made in China/etc, and put together in the US).
 
julius said:
.while he's typing on a computer that was made in China (or at best, had parts that were made in China
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I am ready for that to end as soon as possible. The keyboard, I have right now, is overloading the USB hub far too often for a reliable Navigation computer. Once we could buy a good KB made in the US, and other computer parts. Damn hard to find now.
I am completely happy with the idea of fixing the trade with China, even if it mean stopping imports from China to get there.

Quite frankly, what is holding China up in making a fair agreement? Nothing but the fact that they expect the wimps in the US to force Trump to allow them to continue the rip off.
That would be a terrible outcome.
Go Trump!!!
 
Once Computers were made in the US. Should we wait until 797 Aircraft are made in China, before we are concerned with fair trade of Quality products?
Early in this thread, I ask @mook, Why? I response to his assertion, manufacturing in the US is not an option.
No answer and that is what this battle is all about. It must be fought before we have lost and there is no way to object.
 
MarAzul said:
Once Computers were made in the US. Should we wait until 797 Aircraft are made in China, before we are concerned with fair trade of Quality products?
Early in this thread, I ask @mook, Why? I response to his assertion, manufacturing in the US is not an option.
No answer and that is what this battle is all about. It must be fought before we have lost and there is no way to object.
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You do realize he's in England, right? They're like 7 hours difference. Maybe he's working (it's Monday there), or maybe he's busy stressing.
 
julius said:
You do realize he's in England, right? They're like 7 hours difference. Maybe he's working (it's Monday there), or maybe he's busy stressing.
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Perhaps you are correct.
But the reasons for Trump taking on China are clear, regardless of what he might answer. Which by the way, I assume to be, It cost too much to manufacture in the US.
The list of why this is, is quite long. It still will need to be address even after the question of, Too much, compared to what? Is answered when we do indeed have a fair trade agreement.
 
tlongII said:
But Cup’s response was over the line as well.
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He deserved it by attacking mook and calling him anti American. I am anti maris and trump humpers. I want my kids and grandkids to grow up in a country they are proud of and that's not a country with trump
 
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