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Alright , so after listening to Joe, i've come to the conclusion that both keeping Scoot and building around Dame can coexist. Scoot will get time at point behind Dame, at 2G behind Shaedon, and at C behind Nurk ( the Stu Inman, "but we have Drexler". Bobby Knight "play Jordan at center" thing). I still think Joe is going to bring in some veteran depth at the 2/3, DeRozan possibly. That would help free up the pick reconciliation situation with Chicago by trading Ant / pick. The cap space would be there in that kind of move. The dawn of a new day. Gus Williams & Dennis Johnson weren't huge dudes. But they were great players who played side by side to a title. Go Blazers!!
I think all fans would be on the same page with that. No one ever wanted Dame to leave, we just didn’t want to mortgage the future for a short term move. I think they can play together. I’d look to move Simons for more size if Dame wants to stay.
 
Scoot has played against NBA competition for 2 years.

this was a discussion about Scoot/Sharpe possibly being part of a championship duo

lol...I wasn't talking about competing against players like John Butler or Shaq Harrison
 
Partially disagree. Portland possesses two foundational pieces and I think they will both be great players (HOF trajectory) so, that part, I agree with tremendously.

The way I see it, a championship squad usually possesses one superstar and three All-Stars/borderline All-Stars with good bench depth (usually a sixth man and some young player who steps up) and usually, at least three starters who can defend. Last several championship squads have demonstrated this.

ex. Jokic-Murray-Gordon-MPJ//Curry-Klay-Draymond-Wiggins//Giannis-Middleton-Jrue-Lopez//Kawhi-Lowry-Siakam-Van Fleet//Lebron-AD-Kuzma-Rondo//KD Warriors

Portland will need to replicate this.

Because there's really not any precedence for a non-elite three point shooting backcourt to contend, one should begin to wonder about the kind of help Portland can get at the 3-5 positions. Size matters here, essentially.

The Blazers are going to have to find an All-Star caliber wing/forward who can shoot and defend to compliment Scoot's weaknesses, especially considering how vital that archetype has been to the last decade of championship teams and their runner-ups. But the problem is that those players are much rarer and more difficult to obtain than point guards that can score.

As far as I can tell, the next draft doesn't project to have this player. Either the wing/forwards lack defense or a three point shot or don't have the athleticism/first step necessary to be a major star. In fact, the next two drafts are expected to be weak. in general.

Scoot and Sharpe are young enough that Portland can spend two, maybe three, years tanking. But after that, they're going to breakout and it's going to be difficult for Portland to secure the type of player since the team will likely be too good to acquire a top pick. Essentially, it'd end up being like Dame and CJ after Aldridge left. They were too good to tank for players like Tatum, Ingram, JJJ, maybe LaMelo, etc that they absolutely needed next to them to compliment their skills and weaknesses.

I would expect Portland to have Westbrook+Harden or Carmelo+Iverson type experiences (superstar duos with supporting pieces but no extra All-Star help) before re-shaking things up.

A championship squad can still be built out of that. It's just going to require constant retooling for 10 years and no guarantees that Scoot or Sharpe have the same loyalty as Dame did. Imo, the disappointment for Portland will be that....with the level of potential that Sharpe possess (higher potential than Lillard, mind you), I think Portland may have missed out on a dynasty by embracing the current route.

Let's hope I'm wrong and the Blazers get the 2025 #1 pick and acquire the next Scottie Pippen.
 
Nearly 1/2 billion dollars. I have to be honest, I'd be pretty damn loyal for that as well. I wish him a ring, whatever happens. It just doesn't seem like it will be here, so then time to move on to the next era and cut the cord if that is the case.
It's also sad how many put an unproven youngster over a All NBA talent who's still in his prime..
 
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Partially disagree. Portland possesses two foundational pieces and I think they will both be great players (HOF trajectory) so, that part, I agree with tremendously.

The way I see it, a championship squad usually possesses one superstar and three All-Stars/borderline All-Stars with good bench depth (usually a sixth man and some young player who steps up) and usually, at least three starters who can defend. Last several championship squads have demonstrated this.

ex. Jokic-Murray-Gordon-MPJ//Curry-Klay-Draymond-Wiggins//Giannis-Middleton-Jrue-Lopez//Kawhi-Lowry-Siakam-Van Fleet//Lebron-AD-Kuzma-Rondo//KD Warriors

Portland will need to replicate this.

Because there's really not any precedence for a non-elite three point shooting backcourt to contend, one should begin to wonder about the kind of help Portland can get at the 3-5 positions. Size matters here, essentially.

The Blazers are going to have to find an All-Star caliber wing/forward who can shoot and defend to compliment Scoot's weaknesses, especially considering how vital that archetype has been to the last decade of championship teams and their runner-ups. But the problem is that those players are much rarer and more difficult to obtain than point guards that can score.

As far as I can tell, the next draft doesn't project to have this player. Either the wing/forwards lack defense or a three point shot or don't have the athleticism/first step necessary to be a major star. In fact, the next two drafts are expected to be weak. in general.

Scoot and Sharpe are young enough that Portland can spend two, maybe three, years tanking. But after that, they're going to breakout and it's going to be difficult for Portland to secure the type of player since the team will likely be too good to acquire a top pick. Essentially, it'd end up being like Dame and CJ after Aldridge left. They were too good to tank for players like Tatum, Ingram, JJJ, maybe LaMelo, etc that they absolutely needed next to them to compliment their skills and weaknesses.

I would expect Portland to have Westbrook+Harden or Carmelo+Iverson type experiences (superstar duos with supporting pieces but no extra All-Star help) before re-shaking things up.

A championship squad can still be built out of that. It's just going to require constant retooling for 10 years and no guarantees that Scoot or Sharpe have the same loyalty as Dame did. Imo, the disappointment for Portland will be that....with the level of potential that Sharpe possess (higher potential than Lillard, mind you), I think Portland may have missed out on a dynasty by embracing the current route.

Let's hope I'm wrong and the Blazers get the 2025 #1 pick and acquire the next Scottie Pippen.
I think Sharpe will be the superstar. Not Scoot. I think Scoot should be an All Star though.
 
It's also sad how many put an unproven youngster over a All NBA talent who's still in his prime..
You got to know when to hold em and know when to fold em. It's a tricky game, but in the end, it's just a game.
 
I heard some reactions to drafting Scoot mention how Scoot will extend Dame's playing career by being the guard who drives and bangs in the post while Dame can catch and shoot more. Made sense to me. Dame spends a lot of time on the ground and as you age less of that is probably going to keep you in the game longer. Scoot can play though contact now and is young enough to do it for another decade on that level
 
I heard some reactions to drafting Scoot mention how Scoot will extend Dame's playing career by being the guard who drives and bangs in the post while Dame can catch and shoot more. Made sense to me. Dame spends a lot of time on the ground and as you age less of that is probably going to keep you in the game longer. Scoot can play though contact now and is young enough to do it for another decade on that level
Exactly. And they can help each other out with their facilitating.
 
I don't see it. Hopefully it's true. Scoot will never be as good as Dame.

He doesn't have to be as good as Dame.

Sharpe is going to be BETTER than Dame. :devilwink:

I don't think he will. Sharpe will be a star, but not better than Dame.

We don't need either to be better than Dame. What we need is for them together to be better than any of the other Dame-inclusive backcourts we've seen here the past decade. And I think that's definitively possible.

I do think it's relevant to point out, however, that we're once again guard-focused, without any elite frontcourt talent. I'd really like to see them add a top-5-pick-caliber forward to this rebuild.
 
I like them too, but they can't really be a champ foundation. The only backcourt which was that during the last 20 years was Klay and Curry - and they were the #1 and #2 shooters of all time. They were dominant at a very important aspect of the game.

Luka and Brunson could have been that too, but Luka has GOAT potential.

Despite being in 2023, i still think you need a very talented forward\tall player in order to reach that upper echelon.
 
I don't think he will. Sharpe will be a star, but not better than Dame.
Love Dame but is scoring your benchmark? Dame is a great scorer but as a 2-way player yuck. He also can be a ball stopper and does not like to run the break, we need some guys that can play both ways
 
Lmao, you guys are hella funny man.

I’ll save this thread and come back to it in a couple years, some of you guys are the worst with the overtop hype.
 
Lmao, you guys are hella funny man.

I’ll save this thread and come back to it in a couple years, some of you guys are the worst with the overtop hype.
How so? I totally agree with the OP. I mean we are coming into Summer League this year as the defending champions. We had an awesome draft yesterday. We definitely have a championship foundation.
 
My draft day wish in order

Draft, keep Miller

Trade 3 for Zion, Mikal

Draft, keep Amen

Draft, keep Scoot is my 4th best scenario but weirdly I'm not disappointed but rather optimistic somehow
 
How so? I totally agree with the OP. I mean we are coming into Summer League this year as the defending champions. We had an awesome draft yesterday. We definitely have a championship foundation.
How about we see some flashes of it first? How about Scoot steps on the court for a NBA game first against NBA competition? How about we see how him and Simons/Sharpe look together? How about we look to see how Scoot's poor outside shooting does in the NBA when teams sag off him?

There is lots to see first, before someone can go and claim championship foundation.

Over the top exceptions from fan bases are toxic when things aren't meeting their high exceptions, they look for scapegoats and start to moan and groan and that's the Blazers fan base in a nutshell.

Plus, the guy who made this thread is a former writer lol...he wants us to trade Dame and also Ant, saying Ant most go. Basically getting people to rally around his thoughts because that's what he does on this forum 24/7.
 
How about we see some flashes of it first? How about Scoot steps on the court for a NBA game first against NBA competition? How about we see how him and Simons/Sharpe look together? How about we look to see how Scoot's poor outside shooting does in the NBA when teams sag off him?

There is lots to see first, before someone can go and claim championship foundation.

Over the top exceptions from fan bases are toxic when things aren't meeting their high exceptions, they look for scapegoats and start to moan and groan and that's the Blazers fan base in a nutshell.

Plus, the guy who made this thread is a former writer lol...he wants us to trade Dame and also Ant, saying Ant most go. Basically getting people to rally around his thoughts because that's what he does on this forum 24/7.
Here I thought this thread was about Summer League.
 
How about we see some flashes of it first? How about Scoot steps on the court for a NBA game first against NBA competition? How about we see how him and Simons/Sharpe look together? How about we look to see how Scoot's poor outside shooting does in the NBA when teams sag off him?

There is lots to see first, before someone can go and claim championship foundation.

Over the top exceptions from fan bases are toxic when things aren't meeting their high exceptions, they look for scapegoats and start to moan and groan and that's the Blazers fan base in a nutshell.

Plus, the guy who made this thread is a former writer lol...he wants us to trade Dame and also Ant, saying Ant most go. Basically getting people to rally around his thoughts because that's what he does on this forum 24/7.

You have 273 posts on this forum since 2008......... how many of those are you hating on me? :lol:

Hilariously pathetic.
 
If these all young guys play to their potential, yes we can very much be a fantastic team down the road. I am a patient man and can wait for that to happen. Some people like to bitch just for the sake of it. Everybody wants to be a contender every year, but that is hard to do.

I am realistic also that yes assumed stardom is just that; I assume Scoot, Sharpe, etc will turn in stars but nothing is guaranteed. But I do like their potential and eager to see them develop in Rip City.
 

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