Zombie This is an epic disaster.

[SharpesTriumph]

Also the Roco trade exception ($6 million) is basically worthless as the team doesn't have that space under the hard cap to bring in salary. I believe that was the rumored way to bring in Thybulle in a trade.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Also the Roco trade exception ($6 million) is basically worthless as the team doesn't have that space under the hard cap to bring in salary. I believe that was the rumored way to bring in Thybulle in a trade.

Thybulle could theoretically still happen. His contract is ~$4.3M & we have ~$5M under the hard-cap.

The Roco TPE could still be used

 

[Tince]

Yeah I'm wondering if it might ultimately be a worse move than the Clippers trade.

Its will be very hard to judge, because we don't know and will likely never know what trades or other improvements could've been completed if the Blazers weren't hard capped.

Do you agree it's fair to assume that the front office and their support staff are fully aware of the implications of being hard-capped? If we assume yes, you'd have to assume they think this is still the best route to go, which is why they're doing it.

Is it possible they've been given a directive they're not allowed to spend more than $155m anyway? This wouldn't be too far fetched given the spending habits the last couple seasons.

 

[inconceivable]

Yeah I'm wondering if it might ultimately be a worse move than the Clippers trade.

Its will be very hard to judge, because we don't know and will likely never know what trades or other improvements could've been completed if the Blazers weren't hard capped.

The blazers agreed on a deal with payton after knowing durant requested a trade. You would think cronin knows the implication of

Do you agree it's fair to assume that the front office and their support staff are fully aware of the implications of being hard-capped? If we assume yes, you'd have to assume they think this is still the best route to go, which is why they're doing it.

Is it possible they've been given a directive they're not allowed to spend more than $155m anyway? This wouldn't be too far fetched given the spending habits the last couple seasons.

Yup. Of course they knew the implications.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Clippers trade enabled us to be able to re-sign both Nurkic and Ant. I’ll chalk up CJ’s trade equaling Grant and Payton.

We cannot afford Durant.

We now need a small deal to get set for an exciting 2022/23 campaign; add a PF/C back-up!

 

[Natebishop3]

No signings until July 6th, right?

It’s kind of irrelevant. Probably have to do something with Bledsoe before Payton signs though.

 

[wizenheimer]

Do you agree it's fair to assume that the front office and their support staff are fully aware of the implications of being hard-capped? .

do you suppose Blazer management was aware of the implications of matching Crabbe's offer sheet?
do you suppose Blazer management was aware of the implications of giving Evan Turner 4/70?
do you suppose Blazer management was aware of the implications of turning down Chris Paul to draft Martell Webster?
do you suppose Blazer management was aware of the implications of trading two first round picks to draft Zach Collins?

is it possible that Blazer management, at any point, could make a bad decision?

I spent about 7 years arguing with people who made that deflecting 'management knows what they're doing' argument to defend olshey's terrible decisions and shut down criticism of those decisions.

hard-capping the team for a player like Payton is a very questionable decision. Maybe it will be fine, but maybe it will be a major monkey-wrench. Portland isn't just hard-capped for the first two weeks of July...they will be hard-capped till next July (or maybe till the end of next season in April...not sure). They may or may not be fully aware of all opportunities that are available right now that impact being hard-capped. It's doubtful they are, but they could be. But they sure as hell are not aware of all the opportunities that will open over the next 8 months, and a lot of those opportunities won't be available to a hard-capped team

they have already essentially shit-canned their two remaining TPE's by being hard-capped. Those are the first casualties. We don't know if those will be the only ones but it's highly doubtful they are

 

[Tince]

do you suppose Blazer management was aware of the implications of matching Crabbe's offer sheet?
do you suppose Blazer management was aware of the implications of giving Evan Turner 4/70?
do you suppose Blazer management was aware of the implications of turning down Chris Paul to draft Martell Webster?
do you suppose Blazer management was aware of the implications of trading two first round picks to draft Zach Collins?

is it possible that Blazer management, at any point, could make a bad decision?

I spent about 7 years arguing with people who made that deflecting 'management knows what they're doing' argument to defend olshey's terrible decisions and shut down criticism of those decisions.

hard-capping the team for a player like Payton is a very questionable decision. Maybe it will be fine, but maybe it will be a major monkey-wrench. Portland isn't just hard-capped for the first two weeks of July...they will be hard-capped till next July (or maybe till the end of next season in April...not sure). They may or may not be fully aware of all opportunities that are available right now that impact being hard-capped. It's doubtful they are, but they could be. But they sure as hell are not aware of all the opportunities that will open over the next 8 months, and a lot of those opportunities won't be available to a hard-capped team

they have already essentially shit-canned their two remaining TPE's by being hard-capped. Those are the first casualties. We don't know if those will be the only ones but it's highly doubtful they are

I think there are logical answers most your examples, even if they were questionable at the time. Let's take the Webster one. The Blazers thought they had their PG of the future on the roster and Webster had the purest shot we'd seen in a long time to go with solid athletism. Did they miss? 100%.Was the logic at the time super crazy? No.

I 100% believe front offices can make wrong decisions. What I can't usually put my head around is why they would intentionally put themselves in a horrible situation without having considered the consequences. This is why I'm asking for someone to speculate why they would do this. If the reason is that they know GP2 will ruining all their furture plans, make them worse, upset Dame, and get them fired, I can't imagine that they would pull the trigger.

So, I'm not asking you or anyone to explain why the front office is smart for hard capping themselves on Wednesday, I'm asking for some speculation for why they do think that's the best move given the situation. For example, if they have been told ownership is unwilling to spend any more money, is it possible that being hard-capped is meaningless?

Just to be clear since this is a different thread than the GP2 signing thread: I don't love the signing if this is all they are doing, it would be a bummer.

 

[andalusian]

We decided to use the MLE 30 hours into free agency which essentially hard caps us.

Well, that's a 2 way street, right?

Who knows if the people they really wanted would be available if they took their sweet time to make up their mind.

I think they identified a problem (opposing guard defense), they identified potential solutions and when the opportunity presented itself, they executed. It's as simple as that, because maybe they wait, GP2 takes the 2 years deal (instead of 3) to return to the warriors, some of these guys decide they do not want to come to Portland - and Portland is left with sloppy seconds.

As long as this was their real plan, I have no issues with it. Like everything else, it either works or not, but if there is one thing we have seen from this new GM - he has a vision and he is willing to execute it. The same, btw, was true for NeO, the only difference is that NeO was married to his vision 5 years too long. We do not know if this is the case with the new management, yet.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well, that's a 2 way street, right?

Who knows if the people they really wanted would be available if they took their sweet time to make up their mind.

I think they identified a problem (opposing guard defense), they identified potential solutions and when the opportunity presented itself, they executed. It's as simple as that, because maybe they wait, GP2 takes the 2 years deal (instead of 3) to return to the warriors, some of these guys decide they do not want to come to Portland - and Portland is left with sloppy seconds.

As long as this was their real plan, I have no issues with it. Like everything else, it either works or not, but if there is one thing we have seen from this new GM - he has a vision and he is willing to execute it. The same, btw, was true for NeO, the only difference is that NeO was married to his vision 5 years too long. We do not know if this is the case with the new management, yet.

I think there's two ways of looking at it.

1: If you are planning on keeping Dame until he's 40 and you think Dame can still be a superstar at 36, the offseason was fine. We got Sharpe, we kept Dame and Nurk. We got Grant and Payton. We will almost certainly be back in the playoffs again.

2. If you think we have a short window to win while Dame is a top 10 player, and this summer was critical towards taking the first step to contending.... this was a very ho-hum summer so far.

While I agree that defense is a major point of need, it’s further down the list because this team does not have the the overall talent to contend.We need Ant and Sharpe to pop if we're going to contend in the next couple years. So we are burning another year of Dames prime to be an also ran. They’re putting a lot of faith in the Dame/Simons/Grant combo. And being hard capped really prevents us from making any significant moves until our free agents can be traded in January.

 

[andalusian]

I suspect this was a year one of retool with hopes that one or more of ant, nas or Sharpe pops up for a chance to contend next year, while fixing the obvious holes n the roster now.

But you can't kick the can down the road and not take some like gp2 and still tell dame we are rebuilding around him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I suspect this was a year one of retool with hopes that one or more of ant, nas or Sharpe pops up for a chance to contend next year, while fixing the obvious holes n the roster now.

But you can't kick the can down the road and not take some like gp2 and still tell dame we are rebuilding around him.

I think this is correct. Assuming Dame bought into that vision, then fine. His bullshit “expiration date” IG post makes me think he either didn’t like something, or was actually talking about something completely different

 

[riverman]

I think this is correct. Assuming Dame bought into that vision, then fine. His bullshit “expiration date” IG post makes me think he either didn’t like something, or was actually talking about something completely different

Given the Brooklyn Bridge was pictured in that post and KD demanded a trade with 4 years on his contract I think it's simple to figure out he was talking about that. Probably Kyrie as well...he's a fan of Kyrie from way back.

 

[blazerkor]

I think this is correct. Assuming Dame bought into that vision, then fine. His bullshit “expiration date” IG post makes me think he either didn’t like something, or was actually talking about something completely different

 

[Hoopguru]

Its kind of like gossipy old people. When younger I went to my folks church and the ladies stitch and bitch group (guilting group) caused more than one pastor to leave. And me.

 

[blazerkor]

Its kind of like gossipy old people. When younger I went to my folks church and the ladies stitch and bitch group (guilting group) caused more than one pastor to leave. And me.

Yeah, social media is like an insanely macro version of what churches, middle and high schools have always been. Someone makes a comment that might just be about a song lyric they heard or something someone else said about nothing that has to do with them and everyone spins it to catastrophic levels.

 

[Predator]

Add Roby to the list of non-moves to this epic disaster of an offseason

 

[Hoopguru]

Add Roby to the list of non-moves to this epic disaster of an offseason

You know who uses the word disaster a lot, right.

 

[wizenheimer]

You know who uses the word disasters a lot, right.

the head of FEMA?

 

[riverman]

Add Roby to the list of non-moves to this epic disaster of an offseason

Roby is a tweener...a role player...he's no great target. Keep fishing for that "epic disaster" you seem to buy into....I think you'll eat crow over it when all is said and done. Celtics chose Wenyen Gabriel over Roby.....tells you something about his value...Eubanks is better than Roby...Watford is probably better than Roby

 

[Ripcity4life77]

This thread needs to DIE a horrible death so we can move on the point is taken and some may agree some might not but let's stop this BS at least for now and maybe re-visit this idea around all star break when MAYBE more appropriate.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Maybe the OP here in this thread is just regurgitating the first words he/she ever heard when coming out the womb?

 

[riverman]

This thread needs to DIE a horrible death so we can move on the point is taken and some may agree some might not but let's stop this BS at least for now and maybe re-visit this idea around all star break when MAYBE more appropriate.

There are about 8 threads that fit that category right now but it's offseason...folks are bored. Same every summer except this year we just have had a longer summer break missing the playoffs

 

[Hoopguru]

the head of FEMA?

I hear they no longer use disaster, but instead they use, area emergency.

 

[Predator]

Roby is a tweener...a role player...he's no great target. Keep fishing for that "epic disaster" you seem to buy into....I think you'll eat crow over it when all is said and done. Celtics chose Wenyen Gabriel over Roby.....tells you something about his value...Eubanks is better than Roby...Watford is probably better than Roby

He is statistically better than Nassir Little but people think Nas is the next big thing.

Please explain.

 

[Predator]

Roby is a tweener...a role player...he's no great target. Keep fishing for that "epic disaster" you seem to buy into....I think you'll eat crow over it when all is said and done. Celtics chose Wenyen Gabriel over Roby.....tells you something about his value...Eubanks is better than Roby...Watford is probably better than Roby

And GP2 isn’t a tweener? Role player?
Not to mention - short?

Goal was to get bigger, longer. More balanced. Roby would’ve made perfect sense - at a fraction of the cost - while not hardcapping ourselves and losing some assets that we could’ve played with.

 

[Predator]

This thread needs to DIE a horrible death so we can move on the point is taken and some may agree some might not but let's stop this BS at least for now and maybe re-visit this idea around all star break when MAYBE more appropriate.

You can just… not read it… if you so chose until that time.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

This thread needs to DIE a horrible death so we can move on the point is taken and some may agree some might not but let's stop this BS at least for now and maybe re-visit this idea around all star break when MAYBE more appropriate.

Dude, stop.

Ya'll say this shit all the time. The team deserves criticism sometimes. If folks listened to ya'll on "being patient" then the team would literally never be criticized for anything.

 

[wizenheimer]

Dude, stop.

Ya'll say this shit all the time. The team deserves criticism sometimes. If folks listened to ya'll on "being patient" then the team would literally never be criticized for anything.

on a per sentence basis, you had a 67% ya'll rate...you can do better

 

[SlyPokerCat]

on a per sentence basis, you had a 67% ya'll rate...you can do better

Ya'll is an inclusive term meant not to misgender anyone. Same with folks.

I said dude, though. I should change that.